'Deus Ex: The Fall' Prevents Players With Jailbroken iOS Devices From Firing Guns

[H2SO4]

Tons of us have jailbroken devices without pirated apps. The people on this thread bashing the jailbreakers simply have no idea what they're talking about. They use logical fallacy after logical fallacy to cheer on those that would curb their freedom for no other reason than "hackers are bad!" Again, all you people rallying against jailbreaking have NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

Jailbreaking != pirating. Jailbreaking simply allows one the freedom to do what they want with the device they paid for. I'm shocked at how many people here just toe-the-line throwing their freedom out the window all because they don't understand the technology involved. It really is a shame.

Lastly, just to point out the absurdity involved here: Apple has not only copied TONS AND TONS of jailbreak teaks in later revisions of the OS, but jailbreakers are the ones who created the App Store and App Market in the first place. Apple was years behind the ball and still is -- hence control center in iOS7. Better late than never I guess.

Quit being so ignorant. You're messing it up for the rest of us.

Two things for you.

1. What makes you think that a lot of the things that jailbreakers 'invent' have not actually been considered by Apple previous to relesing their OS. I would wager quite a few and then for one reason or another they chose not to go with it.
2. Look at post #97.

Number one cannot be proven one way or the other, (for or against either side). Number two is fact. Now hush and stop having such an ignoRANT.

 

[Oletros]

Yes, but far as I know, you still need to unlock the bootloader.

Not necessarily

 

[cclloyd]

Eidos, the development firm behind Deus Ex: The Fall likely implemented the measure to deter piracy, as jailbreaking is a requirement to pirate software, though not all users who jailbreak choose to pirate software.

Won't xCon stop this anyway with a quick update to it? Therefore making the whole process useless for both legit jailbreakers and pirates.

 

[cclloyd]

Also, instead of telling you you can't fire, they should've made it fire something fluffy, like teddy bears.


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Finally, if companies want to completely stop piracy, use the Clash of Clans server model. I don't think in app purchases have ever been hacked on it, so make the app free, or at least a demo, and then an in-app purchase to unlock it that is server verified, not client, that way iAP crackers can't do anything about it.


(sorry for double post, it was by accident)

 

[Zoboomafoo]

A portion of people who drive cars do so to use them as a getaway vehicle for a crime - therefore should we ban driving?

There are far more reasons to jailbreak than pirating. In fact, I don't actually know anybody who pirates to steal apps (as a general rule of thumb, somebody who spends £600 on a phone isn't likely to be worried about a few $0.99 apps).

One would think that there was some market analysis here that suggested the financial impact of piracy was greater than the loss in revenue from legitimate purchases on jailbroken phones + the cost of implementing this feature.

Given where I work, this is certainly not a sure thing .. lol, but it seems perfectly reasonable that they would want to protect their hard work.

 

[ArmCortexA8]

I dont support Jailbreaking. If you cannot use a device the way it was designed to be used by the manufacturer, then make your own phone. Jailbreaking should be made illegal and not supported. Therefore I support the lockout in Deus Ex on JB devices.

 

[haruhiko]

Also, instead of telling you you can't fire, they should've made it fire something fluffy, like teddy bears.


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Finally, if companies want to completely stop piracy, use the Clash of Clans server model. I don't think in app purchases have ever been hacked on it, so make the app free, or at least a demo, and then an in-app purchase to unlock it that is server verified, not client, that way iAP crackers can't do anything about it.


(sorry for double post, it was by accident)

In app purchases was hacked by IAPFree but if a developer implements the check receipt procedure then it seems to be secure.

 

[cclloyd]

In app purchases was hacked by IAPFree but if a developer implements the check receipt procedure then it seems to be secure.

Most were not, just for a select few games, which the dev has to hack and add himself. But some of the most popular games, including Clash of Clans, include the receipts, which can be hacked with another tweak that I will not disclose of. It's the verification method. Even receipts are done on the client, not the server. The fact that CoC requires constant connection to the server allows them to verify all actions on the server, including iAPs.

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I dont support Jailbreaking. If you cannot use a device the way it was designed to be used by the manufacturer, then make your own phone. Jailbreaking should be made illegal and not supported. Therefore I support the lockout in Deus Ex on JB devices.

You are just the worst type of person, but I respect that fact that you have your own opinion.

By that logic, people shouldn't go around upgrading cars, so that should be illegal. Or overclocking your CPU. Or decorating your house. You didn't build it. You shouldn't be allowed to say what's inside it (according to that logic).

It's not the phone we like. I love the iPhone. It's the lack of features they add to iOS, or moreso, the last of speed that they add them with.

All jailbreaking does is actually return our phone to us, giving us full access to it. Explain to me why I should not have full access to something I own.

It's more the concept that phones are like computers. You have root access by default on computers, as long as you're an admin, which you are. Why not the same on my other devices?


I welcome any criticism you bring in this discussion.

 

[Bloodstar]

+51 upvotes - wtf? This post is completely wrong.

Do keep in mind that there's no downvoting on this board anymore.

That +51 would likely be a LOT lower then. Unfortunately, some people actually seem to be heavily celebrating this move. (...Honestly, I don't know why they removed downvoting. Seems strange to me.)

...As for the issue at hand: I can't believe people are actually heavily defending this. Regarding "they don't have to support devices with a nonstandard configuration": there's a difference between something breaking as a side effect and arbitrarily designing something to break under certain conditions. This is the latter.

And the whole "jailbreakers are mostly pirates" statistic makes me laugh. Anecdotal evidence here says otherwise. Unfortunately, you can't prove anything either way, so... we'll sadly see people toss around both sides of the argument. ("Everyone jailbreaking is a pirate!" "Most people who jailbreak don't pirate!" It's just going to be the same thing over and over.)

(I did see a statistic of ~7mil jailbreaks, however. So, assuming that's the jailbroken base, and a few hundred thousand of those users... let's say, 600,000 are proven to pirate, that still leaves an overwhelming majority of users who don't pirate. (6,400,000+ users, let's say.) But hey, let's screw over the many possible legitimate customers because a few people want to pirate something! What could go wrong, right?)

 

[Grolubao]

Most people pirate because of 2 reasons:

- The price of the app is too expensive

- They would like a way to try the app before buying


Both could be fixed by apple, but they don't.

 

[SoAnyway]

Meh, I probably wouldn't have bought the game anyway.

 

[Brian Y]

One would think that there was some market analysis here that suggested the financial impact of piracy was greater than the loss in revenue from legitimate purchases on jailbroken phones + the cost of implementing this feature.

Given where I work, this is certainly not a sure thing .. lol, but it seems perfectly reasonable that they would want to protect their hard work.

Nonsense.

I'm a developer myself - do I care about pirates? No. They're not "lost sales" - because 99% of them would just pirate something else if my app wasn't available. The whole industry is wrapped up on blaming pirates for poor performance, which I don't agree with.

If anything - this has lost them money in 2 ways:

- Pissed off customers who have asked for a refund (something Apple really penalises developers for) because it wasn't described.
- Negative press - this really isn't good for their image.

Also - for the record, here's the statistics (overall installation statistics of version which I know has been pirated) I've collected for one of my apps:

Non-Jailbroken
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Purchased: 65%
Pirated: 1%

Jailbroken
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Purchased: 21%
Pirated: 3%

So there you go - people pirate without jailbreaking (it's possible if you know how), and only 3% of overall installations were down to people pirating on jailbroken devices. Would I want to risk 21% of installed users by pulling a stunt on this for 4% of "lost sales" which were never worth anything in the first place? No.

Personally, I was ready to buy this game, but now - no chance - even though I only have one jailbroken device (which, ironically, I use to ensure my apps still work properly on them).

 

[Paradoxally]

It's possible to pirate apps without even being jailbroken...it's a tad harder, but easy nonetheless for those with know-how. So all I have to do is load this onto my iPhone 5 on iOS 7.0 for free and it'll work. Kinda defeats the purpose......I don't know why these game devs waste time and lose out on money with jailbreak checks.

 

[LukeAdonis]

This won't be a popular comment, however I can't say I feel sorry for those who jailbroke yet still want to use legit software from the app store.

All my friends with Android devices went and jailbroke their devices just so they could play pirated software.

1. You don't jailbreak an Android. You root it.
2. Android runs rampant with pirating. iOS doesn't have that problem. And it's not just because iOS is a walled garden. Rooting is often times harder than Jailbreaking.
3. IPHONE USERS who jailbreak their phones want to be able to tweak and add customizability. I had the control panel for years before they finally decided to put it in ios7. Most jail breakers don't pirate. In fact the pirating market installous went defunct while the androis piracy marketplaces are thriving.
4. Just because your friends do it. Doesn't mean they represent a whole group of people. I'm sure a gang member has a lot of friends who buys baseball bats to murder someone... Doesn't make everyone who buys baseball bats violent. Just means they are in certain group of people.

So maybe it's just you and your friends that are broke thieves. I can think of 6 friends with jailbroken iPhones and as far as I know Not One has pirated an app.

 

[tech3475]

If they just blocked cracked versions I could understand, but as a jailbreaker with nothing but legitimate apps and tweaks I think this is bad (same goes for any other app which blocks JBs or rooted Android phones (where piracy is even easier)). I don't care how good or bad it is because they've just guaranteed a lost sale.

If anything this could create more pirates because people have to use cracked versions (subject to xcon).

 

[Menneisyys2]

Then they get what they deserve.

You mean jailbreakers* "deserve" being deprived of enjoying a game that they have paid for? They deserve to be intentionally being robbed of their money because Eidos does NOT mention in their app description the game can't be played on JB'n devices, that is, they don't bother warning their would-be customers?

You have a very interesting approach to conducting business...

*jailbreakers are (when more serious / power user / geek people are concerned) people that can't put up with Apple's reluctance to innovate or even add basic functionality to the OS like making colors "warmer" in the evening / night

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Most people pirate because of 2 reasons:

- The price of the app is too expensive

- They would like a way to try the app before buying


Both could be fixed by apple, but they don't.

Why they don't? They indeed could. To be able to badmouth JB'ers, making some losers (even in this #) call us all criminals, even people that NEVER installed any pirated IPA's?

 

[ollie87]

The hilarious thing is that you can pirate iOS apps without Jailbreaking your device.

Look into finding a site that offers selling your a slot on a developer account that includes provisioning.

 

[m00min]

I dont support Jailbreaking. If you cannot use a device the way it was designed to be used by the manufacturer, then make your own phone. Jailbreaking should be made illegal and not supported. Therefore I support the lockout in Deus Ex on JB devices.

This is the stupidest comment in this entire thread. Make my own? You are a moron.

I have owned 1 iPod, 3 iPhones and 3 iPads, I've jailbroken all of them when I owned them. I didn't install one single pirated app on any of them. WTF business is it of either Apple or any other dev what I do with my devices? (And no, the EULA means sweet FA when it's buried inside a shrink-wrapped box, that I've already payed for.)

If I'm not pirating on my device then Apple or software devs have no business pressuring me to remove my perfectly legal jailbreak.

I see there is a warning in the game's description about it being incompatible with JBed devices, it's halfway down in the text though. Something like this needs to be at the top of the page.

 

[MH01]

Sounds more like an issue with your service provider. I have free tethering as well, w/o jailbreaking.

Slight problem when your locked into a contract with the said provider, and Jailbreak gives you the option to tether.

 

[Menneisyys2]

What makes you think that a lot of the things that jailbreakers 'invent' have not actually been considered by Apple previous to relesing their OS. I would wager quite a few and then for one reason or another they chose not to go with it.

Look, iOS lacks even basic, essential functionality like screen color temperature changing. Essential when browsing the Web in the bed on an iPad.

And I haven't even mentioned other stuff making JB'ing essential for power users:
- Quasar (for pre-iOS6)
- Background Manager for true multitasking (not even iOS7 has that)
- camera tweaks like those of mine or the commercial CameraTweak
- iFile for, among other things, create symlinks between AppStore apps to share the same (huge) for example video file or to access the SD card / USB stick in the CCK as true storage memory
etc.

These hacks have been in existence for years. Still, Apple hasn't implemented any of them, not even f.lux, which, again, is probably the most popular JB tool.

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This is the stupidest comment in this entire thread. Make my own? You are a moron.

There are quite a few moronic comments like the one you answered to. For example, I've just answered to one stating "Jailbreakers got what they deserve." Lolz... Apple fanboyism at its best.

 

[MH01]

Food for thought

Here is a quote for all the people on the Anti Jailbreak wagon....

"Here's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do."

And who do you think said that??? You will be surprised, look it up!

Jailbreaking is not about piracy, there are alot of legitimate users who are getting more potential out of their device, and apps that have gone from the jailbreaking community to itunes! Kudos to them!!

Its funny that most apple die hard fans these days act out the scene of the 1984 commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axSnW-ygU5g

Open your minds people!!

 

[M-O]

Take all iOS users. Now take the subset who Jailbreak. Now take the subset who have Deux Ex. Now take the subset who paid for it.

I think there is a very small percentage of people who actually have cause to complain.

 

[576316]

You mean jailbreakers* "deserve" being deprived of enjoying a game that they have paid for? They deserve to be intentionally being robbed of their money because Eidos does NOT mention in their app description the game can't be played on JB'n devices, that is, they don't bother warning their would-be customers?

You have a very interesting approach to conducting business...

*jailbreakers are (when more serious / power user / geek people are concerned) people that can't put up with Apple's reluctance to innovate or even add basic functionality to the OS like making colors "warmer" in the evening / night

If you're not happy with Apple then switch. Simple.

 

[lsutigerfan1976]

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Gamers with jailbroken iOS devices who have purchased or otherwise acquired the new game Deus Ex: The Fall are running into a problem when they attempt to play: they can't fire any guns, a key part of the game.

Reports Kotaku:

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Eidos, the development firm behind Deus Ex: The Fall likely implemented the measure to deter piracy, as jailbreaking is a requirement to pirate software, though not all users who jailbreak choose to pirate software.

As a result, users who choose to jailbreak for other reasons but pay for their software get caught in the same net as the pirates. It's not the first time that developers have resorted to similar tactics to stop pirates, although it is unusual for such a high-profile developer to target not just pirates but all jailbroken users.

Earlier this year the publisher of Game Dev Tycoon encoded features into the game that would bankrupt players who didn't pay for their copies, while DirecTV prevents users with jailbroken devices from using its app at all.

Deus Ex: The Fall is available on iPhone and iPad for $6.99 from the App Store. [Direct Link]

Article Link: 'Deus Ex: The Fall' Prevents Players With Jailbroken iOS Devices From Firing Guns

Yeah i think the assumption is ppl who jailbreak also run cracked apps. So now it seems developers are finding ways to stop that. The problem is it hurts those who jailbreak simply for the sake of customization. I jailbroke my phone to run things like bitesms, intelliscreen etc. Not to pirate apps. So the developers need to figure out something different, and not punish someone wanting tweak their device.

 

[tevion5]

Be fair. 53.14% of statistics quoted on the Internet are made up on the spot!

Of course those are made up on the spot but they are highly accurate.

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You should follow your own advice. You can't just throw out numbers like that without factual data to back it up. Making up numbers to fight your argument isn't "fair".

Your missing the point, of course they are made up, I never claimed they were fact. But they are very close to the truth. Saying only a small select user base of jailbreak users pirate is nonsense and we all know it.