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Developers Must Share Phone Number and Address on EU App Store to Meet 'Trader' Requirement Starting in October
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Apple uses the address on your developer account (which CANNOT be a PO Box if you do paid apps). IIRC, you can provide a different phone # and e-mail address.
Look, the DSA is going to catch a lot of people out because now they are going to have to do things the proper way. There is no way people are going to be able to avoid it, In the EU, Apple's app store is now designated as a trading post where app developers set up their stall to sell their goods. If app developers have used their own personal information to register their app and allow it to be used in the EU then it is their fault because they should have realised when they first started that they were in fact a trader and therefore should have set up accordingly. The fact the EU has caught up with online trading and updated laws accordingly so it now includes the online world, well you've only got yourself to blame. Many app developers selling their wares in the EU have done it right. They have set themselves up as a solo trader/self employed with all the correct polices and procedures in place for being an online trader in the EU.
Those who had it easy should stop complaining and move with the times. The EU has caught up, deal with it.
Those who had it easy should stop complaining and move with the times. The EU has caught up, deal with it.
Friggin' Apple buttlickers. The EU has caught up with what? WTF are you talking about? That data will be scraped and you will get inundated with garbage mail. Apple should allow PO Boxes for this address. You have no understanding of what the issue even is.
The simple solution is to remove your apps from the EU and that is what I will be doing.
Except merely selling apparently doesn't make you a trader in the EU and Article 29 might exempt micro and small businesses.
I don't know how things work where you live. I'm a small business owner and my private address has been available on my homepage for more than a decade. I hardly get any garbage mail. Maybe three letter per month if I'm lucky. If it's so dangerous to put your mail address out there, maybe you should talk to your government about advertising laws in your country.
Sure sure, but it's 2024. You can set up whatever phone number you like and it's seriously not at all hard to get another physical mailing address.
Actually it does. A person in the EU cannot just set up a stall in the street and sell their goods. They cannot just open a shop and sell their goods because there are laws that prevent them from doing that. People in the EU wanting to sell stuff on a regular basis have to follow the rule of law. Where do you think the word 'unlicensed trader' comes from? It comes from solo traders who used to turn up at markets with a suitcase full of items setting up their pitch where ever they could and then quickly doing a runner when they saw the police walking about. It is now no different to those that sold stuff online. They now have to fall inline with the real word traders, solo traders and the self employed.
Also, whilst the DSA MIGHT have restrictions or limits on the size of the trader it still does not excuse the fact that if you are in the EU and you sell stuff to customers on a regular basis, even if it is just one item a week, then you are a trader and must have a license to trade.
Remember, the DSA has only just come into affect so naturally it is going after the bigger companies first but give it a couple of years and it will encompass EVER company/individual that sells stuff online.
So, like I said, the EU is waking up to the online world and is updating it's laws accordingly. People can hate on it all they want but the fact is the easy life of selling stuff online is over for those selling stuff in the EU.
Did you bother to read the link from the EU where the define the concept of a trader?
Individual countries define what a trader is, not the EU. What that link says is not worth the space it takes up.
EU case law directly contradicting your argument is certainly relevant.
The EU is not a government, but a union of sovereign governments.
I never claimed it is a government, but thanks for posting a random bit of common knowledge!
People look at the EU from their country's perspective, so won't understand why something is happening there, that won't happen in their country, or in a federal country with one central government, however it is called. We have 27 governments, and all of them are sovereign. The EU takes certain decisions together, one way or another.
If you believe you know what you are talking about then I suggest this. Go to an EU country of your choice, set up a table in their main high street with what ever goods you want to sell, then shout out advertising you have things to sell at good prices then see how quickly you get shut down by the local police. Then when you are arrested for illegally trading without a license then see how far you get trying to quote EU case law to the police.
Otherwise please stop making pointless posts about you saying I am wrong and you are right.
You're not telling me anything I don't know. What does this have to do with what I said?
I provided a source that directly supports my claim. If you disagree, feel free to provide your own source or stop making the claim.
You are not interpreting article 29 correctly. The exemption only applies to online-platforms that are small. Apple, obiously, does not qualify for this exemption.
I admit that it doesn't make much sense as written.
Nevermind, you could be right. This could also be read as "online platforms ...that qualify as micro or small enterprises." Certainly makes more sense.
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Because being able to contact the vendor of your software is important for a customer.
Let me get this straight, you can afford a Mac, the developer license and a bunch of test hardware, but a mailbox is too much?
If you're writing little hobby apps and not making money from them - you can offer them for download outside of the store.
I read article 29 in English and in my native language. The English version has fewer commas and is therefore somewhat ambiguous. Your interpretation is still false in my opinion.
No, you provided a source that supports your narrative.
Here is a link that supports my position.
Do I Need to Register My Business in the UK? | Hoxton Mix
Do I need to register my business in the UK? Why and when is it necessary to register an enterprise with Companies House and HMRC?
www.hoxtonmix.com
Do You Need to Register Your Small Business in the UK?
So, in general, any business in the UK must be registered if a trade or professional activity is carried out, goods or services are bought or sold, income and profit are generated, and interest is earned. All this indicates that you are not doing a hobby, but a business.Most often, small businesses are registered in the form of sole traders. In this case, the only thing you need is a national insurance number. The owners of such a business receive all profits after taxes but are fully responsible for all business processes. The sole trader registration in the UK provides for the establishment of business owners as self-employed and the payment of all taxes.
So basically what this means is if you carry out a trade, goods or services are bought and sold, you MUST register as a business in the UK, even if you are a sole trader you must register as a sole trader.
This principle is common amongst other European countries as well.
So as I said, EU case law means squat. The individual country sets out it's law on trading, not the EU.