You think we make €75 a month? Most of us clear nowhere near that. You want us to pay €900 a year to rent a virtual office and mailbox? Utter nonsense. I think most developers affected will remove their apps from the EU. I certainly will.
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Developers Must Share Phone Number and Address on EU App Store to Meet 'Trader' Requirement Starting in October
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I am not sure about other countries but in the EU, they made updates and amendments to existing employments laws that now require employers to carry out what is known as a 'Right to Work check', basically to make sure the potential employee has the legal right to work in the country. information about it here:
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The DSA basically does the exact same thing but for traders. The app allows people to trade (songs, game tokens, software, pictures, food, clothing etc etc) therefore Apple as the owner of the app store now has a legal requirement to make sure that those making app's for the app store are legally allowed to do so. Bit like the employer has to check on the legal right to work of a potential employee. This is not just going to affect Apple, it will also affect any one wanting to operate an app store in the EU. They will face the same now legal responsibilities as Apple now does.
Remember some time ago there was a fake/scammer app that got past Apple's checking systems and was stealing money from those that used it. Yes Apple dealt with it BUT the app should never have been allowed to get past Apple's security/checking systems. Now if someone wants to create a fake/scammer app, not only are they going to have to get past Apple's security/checking systems, they NOW have to provide a name, email and address which has to be good because that info will have to be checked also.
It's the EU's way of holding companies to task who deal with/in the online world. For way too long people and companies/business thought they could get away with things if they did it just in the online world. Now the EU is catching up and people/companies/businesses are not liking it.
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The DSA basically does the exact same thing but for traders. The app allows people to trade (songs, game tokens, software, pictures, food, clothing etc etc) therefore Apple as the owner of the app store now has a legal requirement to make sure that those making app's for the app store are legally allowed to do so. Bit like the employer has to check on the legal right to work of a potential employee. This is not just going to affect Apple, it will also affect any one wanting to operate an app store in the EU. They will face the same now legal responsibilities as Apple now does.
Remember some time ago there was a fake/scammer app that got past Apple's checking systems and was stealing money from those that used it. Yes Apple dealt with it BUT the app should never have been allowed to get past Apple's security/checking systems. Now if someone wants to create a fake/scammer app, not only are they going to have to get past Apple's security/checking systems, they NOW have to provide a name, email and address which has to be good because that info will have to be checked also.
It's the EU's way of holding companies to task who deal with/in the online world. For way too long people and companies/business thought they could get away with things if they did it just in the online world. Now the EU is catching up and people/companies/businesses are not liking it.
You are missing the point. You say your a 'hobbyist' but the EU disagrees because you are in fact a trader. It does not matter if you have 1 sale a week, you are still a trader and this is what the EU is trying to enforce upon people who are of the belief they are not a trader and thus trading rules and law does not apply to them.
Blame all the law breakers and unscrupulous people who rip consumers off for forcing the EU to do what it is doing.
You maybe be a 'hobbyist' BUT if you sell your hobby on a regular basis even it it is once a week, then you are a trader under the guise of the law.
Of course. Now I’m just gonna wait and see how are they forcing these same rules on the “sideloading” stores. Or is it only Apple that has to comply?
This site is about Apple related stuff. Other app stores will be affected but we will not be told about it unless MR reports on it OR a site based in the UK/EU writes about it such as The Register.
Not saying it was a bad thing, we just don’t need to do it in the US so it was strange for me. Makes sense why you would need to.
But I thought apartment buildings in Germany didn't typically use apartment or unit numbers to identify a specific residence and it was only done by the person's name.
But my question was what happens when there are two people with the same first and last name (e.g., Michael Muller) in an apartment building and one of them moves to a new address? If apartment numbers aren't used with mail, how would the mail service know which "Michael Muller" mail to forward to the new location?
I am an EU citizen and I am not a developer and if I was one I would delete my apps from the iOS Store, Mac App Store, Google Play Store, and everyone else I sell my apps as long as this damn law isn't modified to protect developers' privacy.
Personally I wouldn't like to share my mobile phone number and address because of the EU's half-baked law.
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That's that "Michael Muller's" problem...
Displaying the names of residents on flat entrance doors is becoming less common in the EU due to data protection regulations, primarily the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR).
I don't think he/she is missing the point. They just came to the conclusion, that the new requirement is not something they want to put up with.
But I agree with you, that Apple is just plugging a loophole that has existed for too long. Also, when you sell to the public, and you're in doubt if you might be a business, then you most certainly are in the light of the law. And one of the consequences is, that your business contact information has to available.
I am and as soon as any party in my country will come with the proposal to leave the EU, I will vote to leave the EU. At first I was unhappy when the U.K left the EU, but many years later I believe it's the best decision they have made.
So what you're saying is, that if you had a brilliant idea for an app that potentially has great commercial prospects, you would prefer to discard that idea, just because of this one requirement?
Would you like to handover your EU passport and never cross other EU country borders, even with your ID card?
No, that's not what they're saying. If they had such a fantastic idea and it was a commercial success, it's likely that they would be able to afford to either have a virtual office and phone number, or they'd set up a company, employ people etc., and would then be using a catch-all email address and phone number. An individual employee wouldn't be required to give up their personal information like their personal email address, personal phone number and home address.
An individual developer has to give up their personal email address, phone number and address, unless they can afford a virtual office and phone number, and a LOT of indie developers cannot afford that.
I wouldn't discard the idea. I would just avoid selling my app(s) in the EU and sell it just in the other markets.
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In the country, you have to pay tax, that you are not happy with...that is, if you get any money from a EU citizen of business...
Again, what are you talking about?! I know what taxes are. This isn't about taxes at all, it's about displaying my private information for anyone to see, use, and abuse.
And, you would stop buying bread, butter and milk in the EU? That is, if you are a EU citizen...😏
And, refuse all the medical benefits you get as a EU citizen? And, all other benefits?
Gladly! I don't think the EU will survive in the next 30-50 years. I hope it won't if they continue down this path.
You can still visit the EU as a tourist if you apply for ETIAS.
What is ETIAS?
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Lawyers do make more money than potentially some Flappy Bird clone could make. Just a random app idea but you get my point.