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Do you feel Apple was misleading?

  • Yes

    Votes: 43 13.8%
  • No

    Votes: 269 86.2%

  • Total voters
    312
It's impossible to know. It's been confirmed in the past that Apple uses the media to make purposeful "leaks," but I doubt Apple leaked the iPhone 5 dimensions purposefully—it wouldn't be to their advantage. So, no I don't think Apple misled the general public.

However, I doubt Apple itself wants to be in the position it is today itself. However warranted, the tech blogs, Apple stock, and Apple community are responding with some disappointment. Apple often makes flashier products than its competitors (big shiny, glass displays on the Macs), and with the iPhone 4S, they have chosen to make only internal improvements, and in a retail store, the iPhone 4S may not look as flashy compared to Android and Windows devices. Apple advertises, however, its core competencies: software and integrated iCloud. My father who generally thinks Apple is style over substance (something I don't particularly agree with) said he was glad Apple chose to improve a product over being gimmicky (he uses a flip phone for old people with big buttons).

Personally, I think the screen looks a little dated and small, but I've never used an iPhone or Android phone extensively, so I can't really say how much advantage Apple has with its claim to have a stronger core competency (solid software, integrated solutions) than Android. Apple lately to me feels a bit more old fashioned in its approach and what it claims as its advantages, but it is clear it is trying to turn its iLife and iTunes advantage into a more modern advantage with iCloud.

So, again, no I don't think Apple misled people intentionally. Certainly people had expectations based on past actions from Apple. But I more wonder about Apple's own expectations. 16 months ago were they thinking they would keep the same design of the iPhone 4 and improve the internal specs as the new phone 16 months from then?

It's possible, but it seems doubtful to me. I don't think anyone was leading anyone else on. I think people are led by expectations, and I think it is possible Apple is disappointed in not meeting its own expectations. It has a phone it is now marketing as solid. I think that's the best thing you could say about the iPhone 4S. It may not have as fast of data as other phones or as big of a screen, but it is proven, and is an improvement on a proven phone.

How long will that sustain the iPhone against its competitors? That leads one to wonder how fast Apple will try to introduce the next iPhone. I wonder internally how much hand wringing there is. I wonder if Steve Jobs has disappointments or he's been able to let Apple's peaks and valleys go in terms of how it affects him.

A lot to wonder about! But it looks like a good phone all the same. I may get one. I'm thinking about it. I've never had any smart phone, so I'l check out the field before making any decision.
 
When you buy something or shall I say- when you buy "into" something, you vote with your dollars and this applies to anything. If anything, you should second guess your individual wants and needs, as you were caught up in the maze! I think you owe Apple an explanation regarding what your needs were to begin with. Color me crazy Dude!

Second guess my wants and needs? First of all, I don't get what you're trying to say...

They don't owe you anything.

The iPhone 4S is a stellar release, the increase in performance alone far exceeds that of the 3G to 3GS and the 3GS was widely acclaimed and after such a long time is still one of the highest selling smartphones.

The general public (anyone registered and posting on an internet forum doesn't count as "The General Public") doesn't even know how long it's been and will buy them by the boatload as usual.

People are freaking out way too much over an incredibly solid new phone.

Its not just US freaking out. Thats whats freaky.

EVERYONE on Twitter was calling this a lame release! Its not even a trending topic anymore! Normally it would be trending for like 2 days straight after a release. 16 Months and it only trended 4 hours????

Everyone on Facebook is complaining too. Everyones status is clowning on the release.

Everyone on here...

Everyone.
 
Bro,

It took them 16 months to release something thats hardly different.

They have unlimited funds for development.

Thats OUR money that we gave them because they PROVED to US that they innovate and give us nice gems and gifts of products so thats the silent understanding Apple has with its loyal consumers which is why we trust them with our money and don't mind paying comparatively higher prices. In this case we felt like we didn't get our money's worth.

So Ill say it again HANK...

THEY

OWE

US

AN

EXPLANATION.

(or risk un-doing some of the trust they built)

Well, aren't you the uppity little boy?

Apple never forced you to buy their products. They're a business, and businesses don't give a damn about how you feel. They're in it to increase their bottom line, so stop the juvenile whining.
 
Bro,
It took them 16 months to release something thats hardly different.
In this case we felt like we didn't get our money's worth.

THEY
OWE
US
AN
EXPLANATION.

Bro,

Firstly, for the four hundred and seventeenth time, Apple does not owe you anything.

Secondly, you have not used this device. You do not own this device. You have not purchased this device. You have not spent money on this device. You do not live with this device. You have read about this device. How should you know that you "didn't get your money's worth" when you haven't even spent any money on it yet? And if you do spend money on it and still feel that way, then you will have made a stupid, uninformed decision. But since you feel so passionately about this issue, you will be spending the time between now and release researching the iPhone 4S, and then wait until release to go and use the device, and then make informed decision of spending money on it. Only then will you know if you got your money's worth! And if you do take that time, and the opportunity to test the device before you buy it, and do bring it home to find the device wasn't worth your money, that's what return policies are for!

Stop making such a fuss about Apple "owing you" anything, and make decisions appropriate to you and your situation. Despite the fact that you have been loyal to Apple's gems and gifts in the past, if this one doesn't cut it for you then there are plenty of other phones out there on the market for you to choose from. For some people, such as owners of the iPhone 3GS who have just finished up a two-year contract, this is going to be a huge improvement. Maybe not so much for iPhone 4 users like myself. But that's why I'm not buying the 4S. Apple knows that the majority of iPhone users are on standard two year contracts with their carriers, and the majority of these users are likely to stay with their handset until that contract ends. They know this and that is why over the past few years of iPhone releases they have alternated between releasing a complete redesign, and releasing an incremental update focussing on the internals, every year. Regardless of where you enter the cycle, the year to year upgrades might not seem like much but at the end of your two year cycle when you are wanting to upgrade, the change is huge.

  • The iPhone was released.
  • The iPhone 3G was released, and while not a huge upgrade for iPhone users being only a redesign and the addition of 3G (though that may be huge for some), a massive upgrade for non-iPhone users.
  • The iPhone 3GS was released, and while there wasn't a great deal of change for iPhone 3G users, there was both a redesign and a huge speed increase for iPhone users.
  • The iPhone 4 was released, and since the iPhone 3GS was released with a great speed increase, not so much of a jump for them. iPhone 3G users, however, get a redesign and a huge speed increase.
  • The iPhone 4S has now been released. iPhone 4 users have already been giving the great new redesign and new features like the retina display and FaceTime, so it is mostly just a speed increase and Siri coming to them here. But for iPhone 3GS users, again there is a redesign and a huge speed increase available here.

I think it's pretty clear that Apple is targeting all of their releases towards users at the end of a two year contract. I will do the same, and wait until the iPhone 6 next year when I predict Apple will put out another redesign and minor increases, which while not significant for people who purchase the iPhone 4S, I think will be great increases over the abilities of the iPhone 4.

I don't want you to "cry and be depressed" about this announcement but since you:
have an official "always own the current year model of all major Apple products" policy in my life now...
it seems as though that might be happening, as you said it would.



That is all.
 
I like how the fanboys are defending Apple even if they don't like the 4S.

Look, I really like Apple, and I want to keep buying iPhones. But this time... I think they not only disappointed but they also didn't manage expectations well enough.

If there was no 5, they should have just done a controlled leak via WSJ that no iPhone 5 was going to be showcased. At that point, I would have been slightly disappointed. But no. Apple kept that hype and anticipation for an iPhone 5 all the way until the end.

Tim Cook, this is going to be a rough start. Sure you'll sell millions of iPhones, but I have already lost faith in you when it comes to managing public expectations.
 
Apple never said anything about when or what the next iPhone would be. The rumors hyped stuff up based on a likely faked "leaked" drawing of a different design.
 
I want to hear from the 20 people who said they were misled. Dying to know what Apple said that made them think today was going to showcase a different announcement.
 
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Apple never mislead anyone. They didn't press release about a cosmetic change for the next iPhone. The rumors mislead you.

Thumb me down all you want, but you're the one who chose to believe in the rumors.
 
No, of course not. Where did Apple mislead anyone? Apple always remains tight lipped about any of its new products. Let this be a lesson NOT to think RUMORS as fact. Everything said before a new Apple product's release is pure speculation…..don't get absorbed into the 'hype'.
 
No they didnt mislead any one! They announced on their invitation there would be 1 phone ( the phone icon had a 1 next to it!) and they flat out announced in their beta that one phone would be called the 4s.

What they did do was disappoint. not mislead. They have a lot of money to put toward making products that are at the leading edge. They could have done so much more. They decided to wait 16 months to release a bumped up iphone4. People expected them to step up, instead they stepped aside and figured the 4s would be good enough.

The 4s will sell well, maybe even break records, and they didnt make outlandish claims that they broke. They kept quiet and even told people in advance that they were not going to be doing the iphone5 ..... but people still expected more and they were disappointed. It happened with the 3gs and the ipad 2. They didn't do the best they could have done, they did what they thought they could get away with and still be viable.
Apple doesnt owe anyone anything, but people still expect them to do better. When they dont live up to peoples idealized expectations, people get disappointed.
 
Apple didn't do any form of leading. People mislead themselves and each other. I was hoping for an iPhone 5, but I don't feel like I was cheated, there was never any talk of one from an official source.
 
Apple didn't do any form of leading. People mislead themselves and each other. I was hoping for an iPhone 5, but I don't feel like I was cheated, there was never any talk of one from an official source.

The only thing I'm disappointed in, is that there's no mention anywhere of New Zealand getting it? :confused:
 
Why are people so salty there wasn't a redesign? Is that all they care about is that a phone looks new so they can show it off and show people they have the new iPhone?
 
Misled by Apple? What a bunch of bulls***.

The outrageous rumors and daydreaming is what's "misled" people.
 
Apple doesn't owe anyone anything. You paid money for Apple products and you got Apple products. Your money compensates Apple for the products they make, it is not an investment or loan to Apple which they have to repay in some way via major future product updates.
 
Second phase is October 28 and NZ isn't there? NZ was the first country to release the 1st gen iPhone. :(

Umm.. no? NZ got WP7 first, but that's about it. The first iPhone was initially only for sale in the US, then Europe. In fact I don't think it was ever officially sold here?
 
Umm.. no? NZ got WP7 first, but that's about it. The first iPhone was initially only for sale in the US, then Europe. In fact I don't think it was ever officially sold here?

Woops, not the 1st gen... the iPhone 3G. :eek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_iPhone

The very first iPhone 3G model released on July 11, 2008 was sold in Auckland, New Zealand to 22 year old student Jonny Gladwell at 12:01am NZST.

I wonder if I can pre-order straight from Australia's Apple Online Store. Since I remember when my Dad ordered the iPhone 4 last year, it was Australia who processed the transaction
 
Bro,

It took them 16 months to release something thats hardly different.

They have unlimited funds for development.

Thats OUR money that we gave them because they PROVED to US that they innovate and give us nice gems and gifts of products so thats the silent understanding Apple has with its loyal consumers which is why we trust them with our money and don't mind paying comparatively higher prices. In this case we felt like we didn't get our money's worth.

So Ill say it again HANK...

THEY

OWE

US

AN

EXPLANATION.

(or risk un-doing some of the trust they built)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtNHuqHWefU
 
Woops, not the 1st gen... the iPhone 3G. :eek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_iPhone



I wonder if I can pre-order straight from Australia's Apple Online Store. Since I remember when my Dad ordered the iPhone 4 last year, it was Australia who processed the transaction

All NZs Apple stuff comes from Australia, cos there aren't any Apple stores here. That's interesting about the iPhone 3G though, I had never heard that before.
 
All NZs Apple stuff comes from Australia, cos there aren't any Apple stores here. That's interesting about the iPhone 3G though, I had never heard that before.

Just read on Apple Australia's website that they only ship within Australia. They're getting it straight from China anyway, why can't they just slip a few stocks to NZ? :mad:. Looks like no iPhone 4S here till the end of the year. I wanna go to Australia for a few days so bad next week.
 
Well maybe as everyone was reaching critical mass expecting a redesign... they were peering in to see what the public was expecting and felt a bit awkward but still went through with it...

THEY OWE US AN EXPLANATION for the 16 months...

No they don't. They really don't.

The only thing you're entitled to is the freedom to not buy the fu*king thing.
 
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