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Out of curiosity, why would someone want a pencil on the iPhone? I do understand that pencil is useful for certain things like drawing but how many people who buy iPhone's are artists or graphic designers? These who are, more then likely would settle for the iPad pro or some other tablets with pencil.

I still have not come across any thing I can not do using just the finger on the touchscreen! I wouldn't pay even a fiver for the Apple pencil if I have no use for it.

Maybe the pencil would be the answer to what Samsung has for its 5.7 in screen? Offer different options when used on the iPhone I would think.
 
No to the 4k screen. it's an iPad Air with iPad pro features. To be expected. I'm sure both this and next iPhone will support Apple pencil because they want to sell more of them.

So the iPad border of play now is:

iPad Pro - first with new features
iPad Air - gets iPad Pro's features a year later
iPad Mini - gets iPad Pro's features 2 years later.

I agree. The display will not be 4K, but it will be the Metal Oxide type display from the iPad Pro with the improved contrast and power consumption.

It will probably have the same speaker system as well, it would certainly be a disappointment if it didn't.
 
Not possible. According to what I read in the appleTV forum: "No 4k content. Nothing to see. 1080p is more than enough.Can't tell a difference unless it is a 120 inch screen. Apple has no reason to add 4k capabilities"

Will ANYONE get a 4K tv this year? Bueller....?Bueller....?

Not sure what the hell you're saying; coherence please.
 
I can't disagree. I personally bought it for drawing and sold my original Air and 17" MBP for it. Drawing on this thing is pretty sweet. Beyond that, I type on it and browse the web. Haven't been able to find much use beyond that. Really think they need to focus on getting some software out that classifies it "pro". Make it able to interface with a desktop (think FCPX). Those kind of things would enhance its uses.

I agree it definitely needs some software differentiation but as far as it looks right now it's not getting anything significant. Apple has chosen the consumer-pro product, where the iPad Pro has the ability to have pro features, but apple chooses to have that functionality come in the form of more App store apps, and less prosumer.
Just educate yourself and Google tv viewing distances, 4K .

It's not just the crazies on the Apple TV forums, seems there are others on the inter webs that have worked out that while 4K tech is amazing tech, the weak link is the human eye.....

It's 65", the sweet spot for buying 4K. Unless you are in the markert for a really really big monitor.

There is more to a better picture than whether you think you can deceive a pixel difference or not. One can also perceive a picture as better than another even without pixel differentiation.
 
There is more to a better picture than whether you think you can deceive a pixel difference or not. One can also perceive a picture as better than another even without pixel differentiation.

Simple Buy a plasma, better picture ;) or drop the big ones on an OLED set.
 
Maybe a native resolution of 3072x2304 is an option? The UI would be rendered @3x instead of @2x like the current 9.7" iPads? Seems a bit more reasonable compared to 4096x3072 that the rumour mentions. Crazy either way.

You're right. I somehow didn't realize that this resolution would be @3X as an iOS scaling factor (I had 1.5x in mind).

But yeah it would still be an overkill IMHO.
 
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Yawn. Apple is taking the iPad nowhere and the world has responded with 12% fewer sales last quarter after an already steep slide in sales this past year. The reason is simple - you don't need a new iPad every year or two or three. But Apple has tried to fix that by creating bloated iOS updates that continue to use more memory and resources that make older iPads unusable. The other reason is that to create any real content, you need to go back to your laptop or desktop.

Apple had an amazing opportunity with the iPad Pro to turn the iPad into a content creation tool, but it blew that by saddling the iPad Pro with the decidedly non-pro iOS. Apple has no vision, because if they did, they would have adapted Mac OS X for use in the iPad Pro so that real pros could use it. If it can't run the full versions of the Adobe Creative Suite and give users access to all of the desktop functionality they've become accustomed to, then how can it possible be a "pro" product? Photoshop in iOS is a joke because if you want to do any real work, it still requires you to finish it on your real computer if you need to do more than the most basic of tasks.

And what kind of a "pro" computing product does not let you easily access a filing system or a way to get data into your computing product via a USB stick?

The world has grown tired of iPads and Apple's inability to grow it meaningfully into anything but a consumption platform.

I do wonder how many "pro's" people think are in the world ready to buy these products?

According to this:

http://www.statista.com/statistics/382302/unit-sales-of-apple-by-product-category/

Ipad's sold 16.12m units last quarter and mac's 5.12m (which includes iMacs, mac pro's, MacBooks and mac mini's).

So 3 times as many users do not need the "pro" features of the mac in a device like that ipad. Any movement towards matching the pro features and flexibility of the mac on the ipad will just canibalise Mac sales. And since the average selling price of the mac is way higher than the ipad surely too much movement in that directoon would be insane for Apple to do.

The reality is that there are a handful of "pro" users who harp on about the Surface pro and making the Ipad run OSX and chant "feel the power" as if anyone cares. No one cares. When the mac pro came out after all these people were clamouring for a super computer, no one bought it. Because, the majority dont care about "pro" features. Making IOS and Ipad's more complicated like PC's is not going to increase their sales.

What is killing ipad sales is the iphone 6/s plus. It's that simple. And that isnt going to stop. All Apple can do is raise the average selling price by moving the ipad to a higher price and offering more features. I bet the new ipad air 3 is more expensive and the ipad mini will be moved higher up in price as well. Apple will find a natural amount of unit sales for that product ,maybe between 10 and 15m a quarter and that will be that.

I dont think there is anything they can do about it but accept that they deliberately killed ipad sales to push the iphone against Androids last selling point, the big screen. And it worked.
 
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I could never go back to an iPad Air sized device. Split screen multitasking feels so cramped on that device but is a joy to use on the Pro.
 
I could never go back to an iPad Air sized device. Split screen multitasking feels so cramped on that device but is a joy to use on the Pro.

Just wait until apple releases the iPad Pro Plus with its 16.9" display. You'll find the iPad Pro to be too cramped in no time.
 
You're right. I somehow didn't realize that this resolution would be @3X as an iOS scaling factor (I had 1.5x in mind).

But yeah it would still be an overkill IMHO.

Agreed. I didn't think about it much but I wonder what kind of performance would be needed to drive such a display. Would have to be an obvious performance and battery hit compared to a device of same specs but with the 2048x1536 screen.
 
Anyone know how a 4K display would compare to Retina in terms of PPI?

I really wish Apple would focus on bringing up the rear in their product line. I liked it so much better when the full product line had the same features. Some want a product like the Air, but in a more portable package.
 
If it supports the Apple Pencil I will definitely be buying this.

I agree, and if it can also bring in Force Touch, I will be completely unable to resist it.

This iPad supplanting my day-to-day iPad Air and sending it to my "low volume at work" application would allow me to completely displace the 30-pin connector (on the "low volume at work" iPad 3) from my life. Yay!

Funny that Fortune is rumoring the Apple Pencil connection and MacRumors is not....

http://fortune.com/2016/01/28/apple-ipad-air-3-apple-watch/
 
I could never go back to an iPad Air sized device. Split screen multitasking feels so cramped on that device but is a joy to use on the Pro.

Lol, I'm reading and replying from an iPad mini 4. You should see my split screen use.

I imagine the feeling must be similar to using an iPhone 6 Plus for a while then going back to the 4" size. Tempted to buy am iPad Pro but it worries me that I won't be able to go back to a smaller size after.
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Anyone know how a 4K display would compare to Retina in terms of PPI?

I really wish Apple would focus on bringing up the rear in their product line. I liked it so much better when the full product line had the same features. Some want a product like the Air, but in a more portable package.

4096x3072 would be 528ppi on a 9.7" screen.

The Air 2 is already an incredibly light and thin package for a 9.7" screen. How much more portable could it really get?
 
At 2x (or 4x if you count the retina transition) the resolution would be 4096x3072 at 528ppi which is 1.5x the number of pixels of a standard 4K TV and would be a huge overkill for a 9.7" screen.

I have read in multiple places, including the following, that the human eye (a good eye, of course) can resolve up to 700ppi at 25cm:

http://bit.ly/1WQwHvY

If true, adding a 4K or even 5K pixel density screen to a 9" iPad would not surpass the eye's pixel resolving power. If anything, a higher resolution would merely make what you see in photos all the more realistic. To me, that is desirable and awesome, so long as the GPU can stay up to speed.
 
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I do wonder how many "pro's" people think are in the world ready to buy these products?

According to this:

http://www.statista.com/statistics/382302/unit-sales-of-apple-by-product-category/

Ipad's sold 16.12m units last quarter and mac's 5.12m (which includes iMacs, mac pro's, MacBooks and mac mini's).

So 3 times as many users do not need the "pro" features of the mac in a device like that ipad. Any movement towards matching the pro features and flexibility of the mac on the ipad will just canibalise Mac sales. And since the average selling price of the mac is way higher than the ipad surely too much movement in that directoon would be insane for Apple to do.

The reality is that there are a handful of "pro" users who harp on about the Surface pro and making the Ipad run OSX and chant "feel the power" as if anyone cares. No one cares. When the mac pro came out after all these people were clamouring for a super computer, no one bought it. Because, the majority dont care about "pro" features. Making IOS and Ipad's more complicated like PC's is not going to increase their sales.

What is killing ipad sales is the iphone 6/s plus. It's that simple. And that isnt going to stop. All Apple can do is raise the average selling price by moving the ipad to a higher price and offering more features. I bet the new ipad air 3 is more expensive and the ipad mini will be moved higher up in price as well. Apple will find a natural amount of unit sales for that product ,maybe between 10 and 15m a quarter and that will be that.

I dont think there is anything they can do about it but accept that they deliberately killed ipad sales to push the iphone against Androids last selling point, the big screen. And it worked.

There is little reason to update macs these days, my 2012 top spec rMBP has plenty of power and is going strong. As CPUs and GPUs are no longer speed bound for most tasks, little reason to update.

Apple shot themselves in the foot with the Mac Pro, they plain stopped updating them and still priced them out of reach of many, take the 2013 model, in 2016, it's a huge ripoff given the specs. Those pro users left.

The iPad itself, most people don't need a device each year to surf the web or entertain the kids, since the iPad serves such basic task, iPhone or not, no reason to update it, that is until an iOS update makes it really slow. What killed iPad sales was, Retina displays , once people go thier hands on am iPad and it looked great, very little reason to update for a few gimmicks .

I'd say the so called pro users were after a Device that would be relatively cheap, compared to a MacBook and have the versatility to run a full OS . What they got was a very expansive iPad , that approached MacBook pricing and weighted the same (with KB) and was constrained by iOS . I'm sure the OS decision was driven by apple getting a 30% cut via the AppStore , which it would miss out if such a device ran OS X . It's a great big iPad to be honest.

I was never in the pro markert, though I did return my iPad pro, the cost did not justify me owning a device between an iPad Air 2 and a MacBook .

Does my iPhone plus impact me buying an iPad , not at all. It's way too small to use for surfing the web etc. The iPad Air feel great and natural in comparison . What stops me updating my iPad Air 2 for a generation or two is price.....cannot justify £650 for a few gimmicks when the iPad Air 2 works great. My iPad Air 2 is staying on iOS 9, lesson learned , it's fast, and awesome device, 2017-2018 I'll get an iPad Air 4-5.

To be honest I would not have updated my iPhone 6 Plus to the s model had it not been for the constant crashing due to memory issues.
 
I have read in multiple places, including the following, that the human eye (a good eye, of course) can resolve up to 700ppi at 25cm:

http://bit.ly/1WQwHvY

If true, adding a 4K or even 5K pixel density screen to a 9" iPad would not surpass the eye's pixel resolving power. If anything, a higher resolution would merely make what you see in photos all the more realistic. To me, that is desirable and awesome, so long as the GPU can stay up to speed.
That's interesting, I thought Retina was the limit that the eye could see, but maybe it's at a certain distance.

I'm not really sure this is the main thing people want. I've been happy with Retina myself. I'd be more interested in battery life and multi-tasking as well as options for different sizes.

Maybe something in between the mini or iPod size with great multi-tasking.
 
I could never go back to an iPad Air sized device. Split screen multitasking feels so cramped on that device but is a joy to use on the Pro.

Split screen was made for the pro, really does shine, feels awkward on the air 2 , though for me it's a nice to have, so impartial to it.

I've actually gone back to my iPad Air. Made me realise how well it was designed, and a well designed product should be able to be used one handed.

The iPad pro fails at the usage that the iPad was designed for. As a content creation device it's great. I don't care what people tell me, iPad pro is not a portable device, it's like taking a laptop.

Maybe I'll get one again once they release a model that does not take forever to charge. The extremely long charging cycles got me using the iPad Air again.....air stayed, iPad pro went back.
 
I have read in multiple places, including the following, that the human eye (a good eye, of course) can resolve up to 700ppi at 25cm:

http://bit.ly/1WQwHvY

If true, adding a 4K or even 5K pixel density screen to a 9" iPad would not surpass the eye's pixel resolving power. If anything, a higher resolution would merely make what you see in photos all the more realistic. To me, that is desirable and awesome, so long as the GPU can stay up to speed.

The reason you don't see it as realistic is dynamic range, contrast and gamut, not just resolution.

Also all those tests are done with infinite contrast, black on white reflective printed material in perfect light, how on earth does it apply TO A SCREEN showing A PHOTO or anything but text on white?
People think they can just swap out one for the other and hey, who needs actual tests.
Find me a test with an actual screen and then we'll talk .
Also, you do know that 25 cm is 10 inch, that's a hell of a lot more than the average distance people are holding tablets normally.
At most, 400-500 could serve to see fine details in high contrast situation; which is a very edge case on a tablet.

IF you're using your phone in a VR situation (a few inch from your eyes), well that changes everything. The ideal PPI depends on distance; that goes without saying.

When there is movement, like well, in most of reality.... Our resolving power falls immensely.
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That's interesting, I thought Retina was the limit that the eye could see, but maybe it's at a certain distance.

I'm not really sure this is the main thing people want. I've been happy with Retina myself. I'd be more interested in battery life and multi-tasking as well as options for different sizes.

Maybe something in between the mini or iPod size with great multi-tasking.

The problem with his statement is that those test he touts are made in very controlled situations, not with LCD's and not with most content you'd actually find on the screen of a phone or tablet.
 
iPad 4K? iSay no way!!

But seriously though, an iPad Air sporting a 4K and 4GB RAM would cannibalize sales of the iPad Pro. Plus the Air 2 (which I have and adore) was such a beast it didn't even need a successor model in 2015. Even today it is powerful, lightweight just a joy to use.

Having said that I would drop it in an instant should Apple bring this supposed Air 3 to light but lets be real here, Digitimes is shady and I really doubt this report is true....
 
Boring ... can they not add something exciting like USB-C ports or a SD Card slot? I think either will bring some new interest to the Apple product line.
 
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