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There was a front page article in the WSJ today about this. This is a much more significant issue than any "scuffing," but the upside is that it is also fixable. Apple just needs to be upfront about it and not let this turn into an antenna-type issue. If they are holding up Google Maps approval, now's the time to stop and let it through. In the meantime, I've added Google Maps' web app to my home screen.

+1. Really glad we have the GM web app as an alternative.
 
Classic! seriously I don't see what the fuss is about the new maps! It's in initial release and it will get better. I'm actually impressed what apple has done so far. Ofcourse you don't expect it to directly compete wit Google quite yet :mad:. Google has done it much longer. Here is what you do simply download the Google Maps when it's out and give Apple time to perfect the its maps.:)

It's completely unacceptable to remove functionality from a handset and call it an upgrade.

When you charge as much as you do for products, you seriously can't turn around and say 'I'm sorry that we released a half-baked PoS maps app, but if you'd be so kind to correct all of the PoI and routing data for us by using the unfit for purpose app, then maybe one day, ONE DAY, we'll be as good as Google maps'.

I understand the love for Apple, I really do, but they screwed up on Maps, and anyone defending them looks like an idiot.
 
It's completely unacceptable to remove functionality from a handset and call it an upgrade.

When you charge as much as you do for products, you seriously can't turn around and say 'I'm sorry that we released a half-baked PoS maps app, but if you'd be so kind to correct all of the PoI and routing data for us by using the unfit for purpose app, then maybe one day, ONE DAY, we'll be as good as Google maps'.

I understand the love for Apple, I really do, but they screwed up on Maps, and anyone defending them looks like an idiot.

I'm completely satisfied with Apple's Maps app. It's really dependent on location, as was/is true with Google maps too. Yes, Apple isn't as far along as Google maps, but Apple made a choice to stop working with Google for all sorts of reasons and I support that decision. I've not had any issue with Maps now and noticed with each developer beta, that it got better and better. And they'll do the same thing now that it's live.

Complain all you want, but other options exist, including Google maps via safari, so get over it and move on to finding other things to not like about Apple.
 
Yes. Apple shouldn't have released this dog until it was at least at the level of accuracy of the Google data. Apparently they're getting pounded pretty hard, and deservedly so, because Apple's maps crew is in "lockdown", according to MR's reporting.

Spin it any way you want, this dog don't hunt.

That's not realistic.

Anybody recall how good Google maps was when it first released? I do think Apple's mapping guys probably should have been in "lockdown" long ago. Hopefully they'll get things adressed ASAP. My initial review of it around Dallas is pretty good....but big city and all so....

What I'll miss is walking and public transportation directions when I'm in NYC next month. They really need to get on that. I'll prob end up using Google during that time.
 
I think half the people calling the new map app a fail, probably never even used it. It is not nearly as bad as some people say. I used it a lot during the beta and always got good results. Turn by Turn never failed me.

Last night, I looked on Google Maps to see where the nearest Verizon store was to my house. Google's result placed it in the middle of a field, miles away from where it actually is. When I used the new Apple app, it was spot on. It certainly is not the most polished app but then again, it is cloud based and will show improvements the more people use it.
 
I think the thinner and lighter is a big improvement over the iP4's. I wish the edges were a tiny bit more rounded for comfort.

I think the turn by turn directions are a valid tradeoff for the less accurate search. And am willing to give Apple time to perfect it - as long as they don't ban a Google map app.

The footprint difference between my 3GS and iP5 is amazing. It is only about 5% taller, slightly narrower, and 40-50% as thick.
 
I almost did that with my ipad 3 yesterday after "upgrading" it to ios 6. thank god i was able to downgrade it again.

apparently that's impossible with the iphone 5 though.

My ipad 2 hums along just fine with ios6. No problems whatsoever.
 
why do i feel like you took all the whiney complaints from everyone else, instead of forming your own opinion. :/
 
I feel the complete opposite. I've had an HTC One X for 2 months and desperately wanted to get back on the iPhone. My 5 is a much more pleasant experience. OS and Hardware.

I have had the GS3 for a month almost... I can't wait to have my iPhone 5 when I get home from work.

I enjoyed the GS3 a lot... At first. It was different, which was enjoyable, gave me something to do/learn. But, more and more things started to bother me about it. Its a good phone, but I can't wait to get out of the office and open up my iPhone 5.
 
If you truly feel it back it up, cancel/return like me. The enthusiasm for Apple products just isn't there for me anymore.
 
If you truly feel it back it up, cancel/return like me. The enthusiasm for Apple products just isn't there for me anymore.

I guess that's my disappointment. It's not that it's a bad phone, it just has a bunch of flaws, and I expect more of apple.

I suppose that's how it goes with all companies. They have their innovative runs because they are first in the game, and then the innovation flattens off leading to inevitable disappointment.
 
Thinner... bigger screen... LTE... isn't that what they said was in the phone? and lighter too. Its exactly what is advertised. I hope passbook catches on but like Maps I'm sure it will take a little while to get everything worked out. I knew I would be a little disappointed with it because its just newer and nothing groudbreaking but I still ordered anyway and I'm still glad I have it now as my ip4 is over 2 yrs old although maybe I should have gotten 32gb but I still have 2gb free space so I'm not worried.

It seems to me you got what Apple said you would get but you were hoping it was something else.
 
If you truly feel it back it up, cancel/return like me. The enthusiasm for Apple products just isn't there for me anymore.

I personally think Apple has about hit the ceiling on Laptops and iPhones. There's only so much more they can do. We already have crystal clear HD screens, best finger controls on the market, largest app stores, highest build quality. Outside of battery performance, data streaming and completely redesigning the screen in to some fantasy 3d projection there isn't much left to conquer.

Is the iPhone 5 a game changer like the 2g and the 4 were? No, not at all. But it's still a great phone that people will buy up and love like nearly every other product they have on the market.
 
Other than that there is really nothing to be excited about...Was it worth $850? No way, not at all..

As soon as I read your post and other people's disappointments, I'm holding onto my 4S. I was considering an unlocked iP5, but now I will hold off till next year, or even in 2014. People are still using their 3GS so I can use my 4S for just as long. Amazing posts coming from people today on the iP5.

To have so many disappointments tells me Jobs was not a part of this plan like many have posted about his vision into this for another generation after the iP5.
 
hmmmm i'm not so sure about the 5 yet. the extra height is ok but feel it should be just a little wider. something about the height vs width just isnt cutting it with me yet. i've not got the wow factor that i was hoping for after spending £600. i got more wow with the 4s :)
 
hmmmm i'm not so sure about the 5 yet. the extra height is ok but feel it should be just a little wider. something about the height vs width just isnt cutting it with me yet. i've not got the wow factor that i was hoping for after spending £600. i got more wow with the 4s :)

Interesting, I'm going to Apple on Sunday to see the iP5 myself and get some perspective to the overall change in size.
 
That's not realistic.

Anybody recall how good Google maps was when it first released? I do think Apple's mapping guys probably should have been in "lockdown" long ago. Hopefully they'll get things adressed ASAP. My initial review of it around Dallas is pretty good....but big city and all so....

What I'll miss is walking and public transportation directions when I'm in NYC next month. They really need to get on that. I'll prob end up using Google during that time.
But it's not the consumer's fault if Apple replaces a superior application with an inferior one. Apple made the decision to hinder their customers. Even if Apple's mapping will improve over time (obviously it will), it shouldn't be the customer's burden in the meantime.

To put it simply: Apple's Maps app isn't competing against the Google Maps of 2008; it's competing against the current market. Your argument is like saying, "Why are you complaining that your new 2013-model car from NewCarMaker ZYX has a hand crank? It's their first car, it'll improve. Look at the improvements other manufacturers have made in the last 100 years! Grow up!".

:confused::confused::confused:
 
But it's not the consumer's fault if Apple replaces a superior application with an inferior one. Apple made the decision to hinder their customers. Even if Apple's mapping will improve over time (obviously it will), it shouldn't be the customer's burden in the meantime.

To put it simply: Apple's Maps app isn't competing against the Google Maps of 2008; it's competing against the current market. Your argument is like saying, "Why are you complaining that your new 2013-model car from NewCarMaker ZYX has a hand crank? It's their first car, it'll improve. Look at the improvements other manufacturers have made in the last 100 years! Grow up!".

:confused::confused::confused:

Yes, I'm confused as well. I never even hinted at a "grow up" attitude. But to expect Apple to roll out a fully mature app that requires data input to perfect is a bit unrealistic. I agree it should have been better, but I don't agree we should expect it to match what Google has had years to perfect. Compare it to cars all day long, but apples and oranges. App developement and especially mapping is NOT the same thing.

Should the customer be hindered. Nope...go download another map program...or better yet, go connect to Google Maps on the web. Anybody making a really big deal of it is honestly is just using it as a reason to pick on iOS 6/Apple since there are alternatives to use until Apple get's it squared away.
 
But it's not the consumer's fault if Apple replaces a superior application with an inferior one. Apple made the decision to hinder their customers. Even if Apple's mapping will improve over time (obviously it will), it shouldn't be the customer's burden in the meantime.

To put it simply: Apple's Maps app isn't competing against the Google Maps of 2008; it's competing against the current market. Your argument is like saying, "Why are you complaining that your new 2013-model car from NewCarMaker ZYX has a hand crank? It's their first car, it'll improve. Look at the improvements other manufacturers have made in the last 100 years! Grow up!".

:confused::confused::confused:

I think part of the problem is that Apple was a consumer of Google's map data in the Maps app, and thus subject to the normal TOS terms, including:

Google Maps TOS said:
Unless you have received prior written authorization from Google (or, as applicable, from the provider of particular Content), you must not:

<snip>

(g) use the Service or Content with any products, systems, or applications for or in connection with (i) real time navigation or route guidance, including but not limited to turn-by-turn route guidance that is synchronized to the position of a user's sensor-enabled device; or (ii) any systems or functions for automatic or autonomous control of vehicle behavior.

So Google had features on Android that Apple couldn't bake into iOS under the terms of service for using Google's data. At least not without a special authorization. So that puts Apple between a rock and a hard place in the long term. Either they move to their own data (and the more time that takes, the more their app can fall behind), or they keep using the data knowing that their app is likely to fall behind.

Either way, it seems to have also forced Google to take maps into their own hands on iOS which may prove to be better for Apple's users than the previous arrangement, as painful as it may be currently.
 
Op will be back. I said this when the 4s came out and got the s2. Samsung is a piece of crap phone. iPhone works.
 
It's completely unacceptable to remove functionality from a handset and call it an upgrade.

When you charge as much as you do for products, you seriously can't turn around and say 'I'm sorry that we released a half-baked PoS maps app, but if you'd be so kind to correct all of the PoI and routing data for us by using the unfit for purpose app, then maybe one day, ONE DAY, we'll be as good as Google maps'.

I understand the love for Apple, I really do, but they screwed up on Maps, and anyone defending them looks like an idiot.

I won't defend Apple's Maps app but I can understand not wanting Google Maps on their device especially when it wasn't as good as the version they put on Android devices. There are many available apps that can be used instead of Apple's if you really need one.
 
It's completely unacceptable to remove functionality from a handset and call it an upgrade.

When you charge as much as you do for products, you seriously can't turn around and say 'I'm sorry that we released a half-baked PoS maps app, but if you'd be so kind to correct all of the PoI and routing data for us by using the unfit for purpose app, then maybe one day, ONE DAY, we'll be as good as Google maps'.

I understand the love for Apple, I really do, but they screwed up on Maps, and anyone defending them looks like an idiot.

The functionality was not removed. You can access Google maps through Safari. Now you just have 2 options. I'd call that added functionality.
 
The functionality was not removed. You can access Google maps through Safari. Now you just have 2 options. I'd call that added functionality.

So where's streetview?

This move is so blatantly cutting off their nose to spite their face, and yet people are defending this move. Apple knew that they were releasing a product that wasn't ready for market and got called on it.

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I think half the people calling the new map app a fail, probably never even used it. It is not nearly as bad as some people say. I used it a lot during the beta and always got good results. Turn by Turn never failed me.

Last night, I looked on Google Maps to see where the nearest Verizon store was to my house. Google's result placed it in the middle of a field, miles away from where it actually is. When I used the new Apple app, it was spot on. It certainly is not the most polished app but then again, it is cloud based and will show improvements the more people use it.

Apple maps couldn't find any of the places I've been to in the last week, whereas it's there in Google maps.

Any product that Apple releases onto the iPhone gets such massive exposure and usage on day 1 that the 'It's going to take time for it to be useful', or 'Google maps wasn't great on day 1, when 5 people were using it' excuses don't hold water.

Surely Apple could have released it as a standalone app, got all of the mugs on here to do their dirty work for them, then forced on upgraders and new iPhone owners when it was actually ready.
 
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