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disappointed in new iphone
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BS about Google having had time to perfect maps. Thing was, nobody had a map before Google started that and however Google maps were in the beginning it was eye-popping. So over time Google only raised the bar. We expect a certain level of detail, functionality, and accuracy in a Google maps app. No excuse for Apple to enter the map fray with anything operating less.
Google's been building up a map database for years. It isn't easy. No matter when Apple did it, they'd have had growing pains. At least there are other options for mapping, including Google's own Google Maps website. It isn't as if things were great when Google was supplying Apple the maps data, since they didn't provide them the turn-by-turn navigation anyway.
Maps is a mess, but that's a function of Google and Apple becoming competitors and Apple having to start from scratch.
I get that Apple needs time to improve Maps, but I also get why people are up in arms. Apple Maps is heralded as one of the main (if not, thee main) feature of iOS 6, and for it to be so clearly unready for the public to use is detrimental to Apple's reputation.
All I'm hearing when people say "give it time" is an admission that Apple released an unfinished product. They even call it an innovative upgrade. Literally, they refer to it as "innovative" in their official statement. This sort of sugar coating cannot and should not sit well with anyone, and it's important for people to call them out on this.
I have no doubt Maps will get better over time; it must. But Apple is playing a disingenuous game and the consequences should be shared by them, not just the consumer.
All I'm hearing when people say "give it time" is an admission that Apple released an unfinished product. They even call it an innovative upgrade. Literally, they refer to it as "innovative" in their official statement. This sort of sugar coating cannot and should not sit well with anyone, and it's important for people to call them out on this.
I have no doubt Maps will get better over time; it must. But Apple is playing a disingenuous game and the consequences should be shared by them, not just the consumer.
I agree now that Android finally has a stable os, bc before ics, it was very unstable, even GB was not that good.
I do love the iPhone, but all the tech people I work with are all going to either the Samsung GS3 or G Note II
I tried them out in att store and they are really nice.
I think the iphone has a place and so does Android, iphone is for people who do not want to diddle with their phone and just turn it on and have it work, iTunes keeps them up to date and synced with their fav music.
Android is only now as stable as iOS, and they are for those who want to diddle a lot more and not feel restricted like you are in iOS.
I am trying to look at Android and iOS in the same window each with their own purpose and followers, however it doesn't mean either is better then the other, just different, minus all Android haters and Apple haters it is a 50/50 split now with Samsung. Just curious where they will be going with all these lawsuits, personally we can find something more productive to do with the money in this world. I would be nice if they all got a long and could sell technology leases on the patents to each other, but Apple likes having total control, and Google is all about open source, the two are like oil and water, and consumers suffer because of it.
Re-read my post and repeat after me: "No excuse for Apple to enter the map fray with anything operating less."
You are being unrealistic. The issue is that most of the best mapping and software data is owned by competitors. They are between a rock and a hard place. If they had stuck with Google they would have handed more and more power over to them. Striking a deal with Microsoft and Nokia was the other option, but then again, Microsoft has no real incentive to do so since they still want to promote Windows Phone.
Apple took a calculated gamble that releasing a sub-par Apple Maps now was better than continuing the relationship with Google and continuing to finance the rise of their competitor.
If Apple cared about the user base, they'd continue with Google while having developed their own map app secretly and in parallel until it was ready.
However, they can't do that since most of the data that Google has is from customer use (e.g. traffic patterns, map corrections, reviews), and Apple couldn't transfer that data to their own application. Apple needed its own solution in order to gather customer data, and can include only what it can purchase from sources other than Google, which wasn't about to cede all that information to a competitor.
The problem is, it isn't clear. It's unclear in that we don't know what the real impact is on real users, rather than a few issues that have been significantly vocalized and picked up by the press. For me it's worked fine so far.
I think you have to (a) give them time to respond - it's only been out three days, two of which were on a weekend, and (b) give the situation time to clarify and see just how big an impact these issues really are. That simply isn't clear yet.
Once again, it came out Thursday, the issues were raised with a hue and a cry on Friday (which was also a major launch day for Apple) and then we had a weekend of sales. It's essentially the first business day. I don't see calling them disingenuous as reasonable until at the very least a few more days go by, and we start to hear denials. I haven't heard Apple deny anything at this point.
You downgraded your screen into a crappy Super AMOLED.
You downgraded your speed and responsiveness.
You downgraded build quality and camera quality.
You downgraded to crappier Android Apps.
You downgraded Samsung level of support.
But otherwise, congrats.
You assume there was no agreement of some sort in place that may have expired.
Fair points. Though at least 17 people were misled by Maps already: http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/09/17-people-apple-maps-has-already-horribly-misled/ And while it seems the USA maps aren't too bad, the complaints regarding abroad seem many times worse. Imagine their plight.
Also, Apple did respond already. They put out an official statement:
“Customers around the world are upgrading to iOS 6 with over 200 new features including Apple Maps, our first map service. We are excited to offer this service with innovative new features like Flyover, turn by turn navigation, and Siri integration. We launched this new map service knowing it is a major initiative and that we are just getting started with it. Maps is a cloud-based solution and the more people use it, the better it will get. We appreciate all of the customer feedback and are working hard to make the customer experience even better.”
I'm surprised (but not really) that they'd use the word "innovative" to describe Flyover (which Google Maps and Earth had), turn by turn (again, Google Maps/Navigation), and Siri integration (Google Maps/Navigation). Innovate? That's a stretch of the word.
And again, this is being heralded as the major selling point of iOS 6, and to have it come up so short, regardless if we know the full extent of it or not, should affect Apple's reputation. What happened to "it just works"?
And the reason I'm vocal about it is because we've seen this happen before, namely with the keyboard and auto correction. The iPhone gave birth to the internet phenomenon known as "Damn You iPhone Auto Correct!" Sure, today, it can easily be faked, but Apple is responsible for this phenom, and they have done very little to fix auto correct and improve the keyboard. The keyboard may have been impressive a few years ago, but today, it is outdated and in desperate need of upgrades and more flexibility.
I have no doubt Apple is on top of Maps and will improve it. I'm simply saying when they make decisions to distance themselves from Google (which I understand), the consumers shouldn't be the only collateral. People should call them out on it (one might argue people need to call them out on it). And, thankfully, they have for the mostly.
Apple offering a broken app heralding its bells and whistles with a straight face remains an inexcusable dump on users.
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No assumption. Just a suggestion in creating something ready for prime time, not what I believe will become a Saturday Night Live recurring gag.
You said they should have kept Google maps. That is an assumption. Keeping Google maps may not have been an option as far as we know.
Correct me of I am wrong. Can't you use other maps by getting the apps? I use mapquest as well as my car GPS. I may be alone but this is a small glitch that is temporary. This is my favorite Iphone to date!
You guys know that you can pin Web version of Google map in your home screen, right? The first time I read it is from a UK poster who need a map on Iphone 5 urgently. So if there is a real needs, there is a solution out there.
Apple is going to pay dearly for what they do in launching a half baked map by some customer moving away from Iphone 5. But if you follow the patent war between Apple, Samsung and Google/Motorola, you will know that it may not be possible for Apple to keep Google map in IOS at all.. Think of it this way, why wouldn't Google announce to put their google map as an independent apps while IOS 6 launch last Wednesday and put pressure onto apple to approve it? Google can make tons of money by advertising on their map application. Everyone who test the beta know the IOS map suck. And as of this moment, no one know where Google is heading with their decision. Doesn't it tell you enough about where Google want this map thing go?
If anyone want to debate the pro and con of what Apple launch a half baked map application, you should first read through this blog and understand why Android 4.1 is being added to the post trial motion in the Samsung trial and the fact that Apple and Google is going be in court room for the foreseeable future...
http://www.fosspatents.com/