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So let's work this all out..... (Based on UK prices per month)

  • Sky Subscription (Entertainment / Sports / Movies / Kids / HD / Non-portable Netflix subscription) - £78
  • Netflix 4K service - £9.99 (based on my Apple subscription)
  • Amazon Prime - £7.99
  • Disney - ~£6.99
  • Total cost: £102.97 or £1,235.64 per year, (or £3.34 per day!!!)
When you finally put it all together and put it into context, it's shocking how much these services cost. People are bonkers paying this to watch content when there is so much OTA content available, (at least in the UK). You then have to add Apple Music or Spotify, news and magazine subscriptions and more on top.

Based on a combined average salary in the UK of £29,000 (£23,258 after tax), some people spend over 5.3% of their salary to watch programs on TV. That's just insanity.

The reality is Sky is the biggest waste of money. I cancelled that 3 years ago and never looked back. I now use just Netflix and Amazon Prime (since it comes with my Prime subscription which I use for deliveries). YouTube Kids and CBeebies are just fine for my son!

I think people need to consider do they need this content and can they even benefit from it all these subscription services.

I also think diluting all this content into multiple services is simply ending up costing the consumer more, reducing content and reducing the quality of service.

It's no wonder why online piracy is so rife.
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Parents need to stop dumping their children in front of a TV to entertainment them.
Hey, if you can't afford it, or its too much for you, dont get it
If you cant afford dog food, you dont get a dog
 
All these subscription models mean devices becoming a dumb terminal for online content, in that regard what will Apple do to get people buying all of the expensive hardware such as Homepods, Apple TV's etc.

The Apple TV 4K 64GB is £199 vs Fire Sticks, Roku boxes, Xbox and PS4. Homepods are £299 and Apple Music only, yet Echo speakers start at £30 and support Apple Music. The iPad Mini 5 is great hardware, but it's £399 - in a form factor segment vs Kindle Fires.

Similar can be said in the future about software, cloud design (creative cloud is used for storing documents, soon enough it will all be cloud based, that to me seems like the natural progression) and gaming services such as Google's Stadia will negate the requirement for local powerful hardware - so what will that do for Apple's hardware sales?

My guess is that Apple will position their hardware as the best option available if you want the best experience for their own services.

For example, Apple Music works on cheap amazon echoes, but you get the HomePod if you want Siri support (maybe you are spooked by recent reports about Alexa) or great sound quality.

You need an iPhone or iPad to consume the news app (assuming Apple doesn’t release an android app for it anytime soon).

iTunes will be available on other smart TVs, but the tv app will only be found on Apple devices, for whatever that’s worth.

Apple arcade features premium games not found outside of the Apple ecosystem. So if you care for those titles, you will still need Apple hardware to access them.

Apple card works only with iPhones, so again, you need Apple hardware for that.

So if you ask me, Apple’s services play isn’t about more revenue, but locking users deeper in the Apple ecosystem, where the real money is still found.
 
I think the problem with fragmentation is less about what people can afford and more about whether they believe they are getting value for money.

For example, if you watch around two hours of TV on an evening, that’s around two shows or one movie. If you have a lot of pulls on your time, as most people do, you’re paying for a lot of stuff you will never get around to watching. This grows exponentially the more services you sign up to.
 
This is well past it's prime but...

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on topic, this is suspiciously well priced, especially compared to something like CBS all access
 
I would happily buy two MCU series (Falcon & Winter Soldier, Hawkeye) and the Star Wars Rogue One spinoff series about Cassian Andor (and rumored Obi-Wan series), but I hate subscriptions and streaming. So despite the good price, I’ll pass.

If Disney ever offers these for sale to download or on blu ray, I’ll purchase.
 
And? What do I care about old content? The majority of that is already available on TV right now in reruns or movies of the week. In the last couple months the following have been on cable TV: All three Iron Man movies, all three Captain America movies, the first two Thor movies, the first five Spider Man movies (all except the newest Tom Holland one), the first Guardians movie, the first two Avengers movies, Doctor Strange and the first Ant Man. So I'm going to subscribe to get what, the latest few movies that aren't yet on TV (but will surely end up on TV next year anyway)?

Disney is pulling all movies and shows off of every competing service, as their contracts with those services expire. You won't see any of those movies on Netflix or Hulu or HBO or Stars etc after that. And when new Pixar or Disney or Marvel or Fox movies are made you may not see those streaming anywhere but Disney. I have heard, but haven't seen confirmed anywhere, that you won't be able to buy/rent BluRay's of Disneys content after those license agreements run out with Amazon and other online physical media retailers.

Disney owns the 2 most popular animation companies in the world, the Marvel MCU, the Star Wars franchise, ABC and ESPN- and now Fox Sports. They also own the rights to The Simpsons and Family Guy and Archer.

Are you saying there is nothing on that list- and it's not a complete list- that you regularly watch?

Wiki list of companies/properties owned or mostly owned by Disney.
 
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Disney have screwd Apples TV+
Nah. Apple's model is more like Amazon, they want a few tentpole original-content programming but they care more about being an aggregate. The big question is will Disney+ integrate with the Apple TV app or be a hold out like Netflix? I think Apple was wise not to reveal the Apple+ pricing.

Disney will be a major player in the streaming wars. Now they can price their original content channel based on Disney's offering AND Disney's cooperation with their new ecosystem/aggregator.

If Netflix is the only holdout by the end of 2019, then Apple's TV Apps will become a very desirable source of entertainment. That will give Apple the leverage which I think is their ultimate goal.
 
I assume this will essentially be the end of the Disney Vault? The sales they got from vault releases they could easily recoup or even double in sub fess.
 
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I would happily buy two MCU series (Falcon & Winter Soldier, Hawkeye) and the Star Wars Rogue One spinoff series about Cassian Andor (and rumored Obi-Wan series), but I hate subscriptions and streaming. So despite the good price, I’ll pass.

If Disney ever offers these for sale to download or on blu ray, I’ll purchase.
Can't see that happening. All this big push towards the service and then offer it up for purchase?

You're better off just subscribing to watch those shows then cancelling.

The catch-22 with the whole thing is they need this money to keep pumping into new show production. If you want new shows you need to pony up the cash. Works both ways
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I assume this will essentially be the end of the Disney Vault? The sales they got from vault releases they could easily recoup or even double in sub fess.
Yeah - Disney have said this will end the Vault program. All back catalogue available all the time - no restrictions
 
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Correct, Apple TV+ won’t be priced anywhere close to Disney—or Netflix for that matter. With a couple dozen originals, I’ve already posted my estimate of $1.99-2.99 per month. Of course, that’s if they’re only going to carry their own content.

However, if they have third party content that people want to watch, sure, they can charge more. But there’s no way Apple is going to price a couple dozen originals at the same price as services that have thousands of shows.
Uh. What comparable service that has invested billions in original content is only $2 a month?
 
So will this have the *entire* Disney back-catalog? All in 4K? Seems very un-Disney-like, as they used to make a killing by SLOWLY releasing a new remastered version of each of their old movies.

Also, any mention of the average length of time they’ll wait to add recent theatrical releases to the service?
 
Correct, Apple TV+ won’t be priced anywhere close to Disney—or Netflix for that matter. With a couple dozen originals, I’ve already posted my estimate of $1.99-2.99 per month. Of course, that’s if they’re only going to carry their own content.

However, if they have third party content that people want to watch, sure, they can charge more. But there’s no way Apple is going to price a couple dozen originals at the same price as services that have thousands of shows.

You’re kidding right? Apple is looking for a revenue stream. This video thing will never be profitable for years if at all. Apple doesn’t do that which makes this even more puzzling. Plus the whole thing was about services growth. You don’t insert a loser to inspire that and is cash dependent.

I subscribed to dc just for its comics library. The video is a bonus. Apple had every opportunity to snatch them up. I can’t see Apple making acquisitions. They are very gun shy. Probably a good thing but it dooms this bad idea even more.

Apple would’ve been smart to stay out of it. They’ve got other problems to solve. I remember the intro video to their event. Nice marketing from years past but that’s not the Apple I see today. Especially for an event that’s sole target was Wall Street which was the first problem.

At 19 percent marketshare I’m not convinced iphone has peaked. I’m not convinced macs should be decreasing. iOS for iPads shouldn’t be this limited. It’s a lack of vision and innovation. It starts with Tim Cook needing replaced. He steered Apple post Jobs. Time to get someone with more vision in there.
 
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Correct, Apple TV+ won’t be priced anywhere close to Disney—or Netflix for that matter. With a couple dozen originals, I’ve already posted my estimate of $1.99-2.99 per month. Of course, that’s if they’re only going to carry their own content.

However, if they have third party content that people want to watch, sure, they can charge more. But there’s no way Apple is going to price a couple dozen originals at the same price as services that have thousands of shows.

If you truly believe Apple will only charge a couple $ a month for their streaming service, I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in. :rolleyes:
 
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It's possible, but life is also getting "busier", so who has time to watch all these channels and content? Seriously!? Wait.... we all have screens in our pockets, so we can watch anywhere! Damn!

Now, as for Disney going with the "+" naming convention... trying to piggyback off of Apple? (no, Apple did not invent this, I know.... but it's their current convention, so the timing is suspect).

It’s been the planned name for ages... so if anything I’d say it’s the other way around.

That UI though... that’s very clearly lifted right from Apple TV.
 
Disney is of coarse awesome, but who hasn’t already seen most of those movies?
Have you seen Avengers Endgame? It won’t be on Netflix or Hulu or Stars anytime in the future. Only on Disney. The next Star Wars? Disney.

Sony, Warner Brothers and maybe Dreamworks are the non Disney large North American film studios. If you plan on either skipping the theater or want to watch at home 70% of the blockbuster films coming out this year and going forward you’ll need to watch Disney.

Unless Disney does a quick 180 and starts negotiations with other streaming companies that they are in the final stages of ending contracts with.
 
So will this have the *entire* Disney back-catalog? All in 4K? Seems very un-Disney-like, as they used to make a killing by SLOWLY releasing a new remastered version of each of their old movies.

Also, any mention of the average length of time they’ll wait to add recent theatrical releases to the service?
Yeah used to... and now the landscape has changed so they're joining the streaming party.

Doubt it'll all be 4K though - no confirmation.

I read it'll be about 12 months from cinema to streaming but nothing confirmed
 
Uh. What comparable service that has invested billions in original content is only $2 a month?

Exactly. Apple would need to have nearly 30 million subscribers on day one and maintain that level for a full year just to recoup $1 billion at his proposed pricing. There is zero chance Apple will take that sort of hit on the balance sheet. Apple has never been a loss leader with any of the product and services and this won’t be their first.
 
This is going to be $9.99 after 2-3 years and we all act like no big deal because it's a small increase every couple months.
 
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