Display Analyst Once Again Says No 120Hz ProMotion Display Coming to iPhone 12 Pro

[31 Flavas]

Okay.

Honestly, not I'm trying to beat you over the head with it or rub it in or whatever - but the emotions on this no charger thing - are just comical. Stop. No. I'm not trying to "prove" you wrong or whatever. But the stance, insistence, steadfastness, whatever you want to call it - that their can only be one viewpoint of "this is the most heinous bad terrible thing ever" and you if you think another way you are a bad person - it's absurd.

To that extent, I saw what I thought was evidence that even you don't seem to buy into the absolute-ness of the 1-sidedness of the issue, based on the rationalization you made yourself. So maybe it's just possible that it isn't entirely a 1 sided issue.

You can feel or express frustration over it - there are arguments to be made on both sides and there is no reason either side needs to get hysterical over it.

Yes, now we can return to castigating Apple as the worst company ever again.

 

[aleni]

That would be pretty lame. Even a $400 realme android phone has a 90hz screen. I think it’s the sweet spot between smoothness and energy usage. There’s no need for a 120hz phone yet. At least give us 90hz apple.

 

[UltimaKilo]

Last year was the year in many, that I decided not to upgrade. I’ll be hard pressed to upgrade without a 120hz display. Hell, I’m hoping there will be 240hz displays sooner than later, but at this rate it won’t be for many years still.

 

[incoherent_1]

Hopefully we see some real innovation, otherwise the XS will be my first phone I keep for three years.

I’m going to need more than a new camera to go through the trouble of an upgrade (not like I’m going on exotic vacations right now anyway!).

 

[HarryWild]

120 hz is already on top of line Samsung phones as well other Android phones!

 

[Bandaman]

Honestly, not I'm trying to beat you over the head with it or rub it in or whatever - but the emotions on this no charger thing - are just comical. Stop. No. I'm not trying to "prove" you wrong or whatever. But the stance, insistence, steadfastness, whatever you want to call it - that their can only be one viewpoint of "this is the most heinous bad terrible thing ever" and you if you think another way you are a bad person - it's absurd.

To that extent, I saw what I thought was evidence that even you don't seem to buy into the absolute-ness of the 1-sidedness of the issue, based on the rationalization you made yourself. So maybe it's just possible that it isn't entirely a 1 sided issue.

You can feel or express frustration over it - there are arguments to be made on both sides and there is no reason either side needs to get hysterical over it.

Yes, now we can return to castigating Apple as the worst company ever again.

I was just frustrated at the news. It's still a terrible, ridiculous, and stupid move by Apple, but there are too many things wrong with Android to make me switch at this current point in time. I just don't really like the direction Apple has been going lately with things. Not being able to boot Windows with Boot Camp is going to suck. I actually game in Windows with Boot Camp with an eGPU and it can play most games AAA titles on High/Ultra settings. Not being able to do this at all will seriously suck.

And now hearing the news of this new "exquisite" charger-less box the iPhone 12 is supposed to have is incredibly silly. If they spend more than 2 seconds on the box during the keynote I may throw up.

 

[Haziza]

So why should people upgrade? Apple keeps falling behind every year with Tim!

No 120hz
No USB-C
No Charger
Still has a notch

 

[Idec50]

Eh. For most, the feature is one primarily for bragging rights and not practicality, similar to 4K displays on laptops. Is it an improvement? Yes. Will, most people (actually) notice? No. Is it helpful to most? No.

ProMotion is meant to improve Apple Pencil-related usage. So, unless Apple feels a need to and does add Apple Pencil support to the iPhone Max, ProMotion on iPhone is essentially an unnecessary cost increase.

Do you have a 120hz monitor? I do and I'll also be sitting this update out unless they include this.

 

[MacCheetah3]

Do you have a 120hz monitor? I do and I'll also be sitting this update out unless they include this.

Rather than write something lengthy myself, I'll just direct your attention to article linked below as it does a fair job of covering the topic.

Do You Need a High Refresh Gaming Monitor? | Digital Trends

 

[M3gatron]

Well for one, the iPad is an LCD panel. Entirely different technology.

I believe the difference between what Android OEMs are doing and what Apple wants to do is Apple wants to have their panels dynamically refresh and adjust the frame rates based on what is being viewed/interacted with. Android OEMs just brute force 120 on everything and also have to use a lower resolution.

Short answer? Android is doing it to check off a spec box.

Apple wants to do it the right way and what will be best for the end user.

Most Android OEMs don't brute force 120hz, Samsung is basically one of the few that does it but others like One Plus, Oppo, Asus, Google etc. don't, and the refresh rate changes based on the app or the content displayed. One Plus even allows max resolution and 120hz at the same time.
Apple isn't doing anything special, they just waiting for tech that Samsung will implement this year with the Note 20+.

 

[DinkThifferent]

This is like pulling leaves from a flower: He loves me, he doesn't love me... 120Hz screen, no 120Hz screen...

Remember how all the leakers predicted that iOS14 and macOS 10.16 were going to be tiny upgrades? Well, they were all wrong big time. Both iOS14 and Big Sur are major updates to their respective OS' so let's wait and see what Apple is going to announce in September before we get angry, upset and go buy Samsung's.

 

[The Game 161]

Most Android OEMs don't brute force 120hz, Samsung is basically one of the few that does it but others like One Plus, Oppo, Asus, Google etc. don't, and the refresh rate changes based on the app or the content displayed. One Plus even allows max resolution and 120hz at the same time.
Apple isn't doing anithing special, it's just waiting for tech thta Samsung will implement this year with the Note 20+.

Also samsung are adding LTPO on the note 20 ultra so this will be ideal for battery life. Like the Apple Watch can go to as low as 1HZ.

For apple not to include it would be shocking given the comp and what they have...

If they don’t add it why would you buy a pro model over the 12? Just for a better zoom?

 

[Idec50]

Rather than write something lengthy myself, I'll just direct your attention to article linked below as it does a fair job of covering the topic.

Do You Need a High Refresh Gaming Monitor? | Digital Trends

Oh I don't need an explainer, thanks. I am very familiar. And this article looks like it was thrown together by someone on amazon mechanical turk. In other words, no direct experience. In that experience, it is much more comfortable to scroll or move an input device with a high refresh rate monitor. Have you tried it?

There is a tradeoff on LED screens -> the colors on my MBP are definitely more accurate than either of my 144hz monitors (one supposedly wide gamut "DCI-P3" IPS and one supposedly "sRGB" TN). I suspect one of the reasons many people complain about stuttering and laggy MBP screens (search the forums) is because of the panel requirements for accurate color. For a phone, you are constantly moving the objects on the screen, so I'd take a little color loss if required.

Finally, I'm not convinced macOS fully supports high refresh rate in all Applications, particularly Catalyst (News is obviously not supporting it). So, similarly, not all apps support it in iOS, but they should, and I'm sure having a phone run 120hz would eventually lead to full support everywhere.

 

[M3gatron]

Also samsung are adding LTPO on the note 20 ultra so this will be ideal for battery life. Like the Apple Watch can go to as low as 1HZ.

For apple not to include it would be shocking given the comp and what they have...

If they don’t add it why would you buy a pro model over the 12? Just for a better zoom?

Implementing high refresh rate like Google did would still be decent.
The only problem with Google was that their phones(especially the regular Pixel 4) had underwhelming battery sizes(and the screen itself wasn't that bright) but this is a technical detail that can be mitigated by, you know, using larger batteries.

 

[YorkshireBill]

Screenshots from the settings of the (Android) OnePlus 8 Pro

Well for one, the iPad is an LCD panel. Entirely different technology.

I believe the difference between what Android OEMs are doing and what Apple wants to do is Apple wants to have their panels dynamically refresh and adjust the frame rates based on what is being viewed/interacted with. Android OEMs just brute force 120 on everything and also have to use a lower resolution.

Short answer? Android is doing it to check off a spec box.

Apple wants to do it the right way and what will be best for the end user.

Nope. Android does both of what you claim it can't do and what you want Apple to do the "right way".

100% This.

See above.

yes, well said.
Even the high end androids with 120hz displays have poor battery and lower resolutions. You pay an incredible amount for a smartphone with a 2k screen yet can’t use it at 120hz

Just like when Apple got OLED on the iphones, they weren’t cheap burn in prone displays, they were high resolution, high quality, bright, folded to make a truly chinless bezel and very colour accurate

I can believe this. Perhaps there will be 120hz support but selectively and not system wide.

See above. 120Hz @ 3168x1440 (an iPhone 11 Pro Max is 2688 x 1242 for comparison) with dynamically altered resolution and refresh rate to save battery life (unless you want to turn such things off).

I Just don’t see the point in 120Hz or higher as you are not playing AAA games where you need smooth video graphic.

You won't be able to see it on the internet but it's drastic in real life. Nothing to do with flicker or "twitch" to react in Overwatch or Fortnite. Every animation or scroll on a webpage is fast and smooth. Once you put a 90Hz/120Hz phone next to a 60Hz it's something you won't ever be able to unsee.

 

[ksec]

Nice, still think they are going to rise the price ( 5G ) by $100.

 

[Bubble99]

120 hz is already on top of line Samsung phones as well other Android phones!

All these people in this thread that hope that Apple brings out a 120 Hz iPhone!! Just wow wow, I say 90% of people here in this thread that hope Apple brings out 120 Hz iPhone will not be doing any high end gaming on their phone.

Do you really think these people having android phones are doing any high end gaming that they need 120 Hz?

On a tablet or iPad may be you need 120 Hz because I see more gaming on it.

 

[The Game 161]

More saying it’s coming

 

[The Game 161]

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Screenshots from the settings of the (Android) OnePlus 8 Pro




Nope. Android does both of what you claim it can't do and what you want Apple to do the "right way".




See above.




See above. 120Hz @ 3168x1440 (an iPhone 11 Pro Max is 2688 x 1242 for comparison) with dynamically altered resolution and refresh rate to save battery life (unless you want to turn such things off).



You won't be able to see it on the internet but it's drastic in real life. Nothing to do with flicker or "twitch" to react in Overwatch or Fortnite. Every animation or scroll on a webpage is fast and smooth. Once you put a 90Hz/120Hz phone next to a 60Hz it's something you won't ever be able to unsee.

Until you use it on a daily basics you don’t realise how good it is when you go back to 60hz.

I’m expecting it will be on the pros. Ross young report I don’t think is accurate at all. I don’t think his sources are close enough to the Apple supply chain to know

 

[I7guy]

...
Apple isn't doing anything special, they just waiting for tech that Samsung will implement this year with the Note 20+.

Or Apple made Samsung put tech in their phones that Samsung is rolling into the note 20+.

 

[EvilEvil]

I just want an iphone-sized iPad pro i.e. notchless, 120hz display, and usb-c. It will come eventually.

 

[Thrutheroofnunderground]

Well for one, the iPad is an LCD panel. Entirely different technology.

I believe the difference between what Android OEMs are doing and what Apple wants to do is Apple wants to have their panels dynamically refresh and adjust the frame rates based on what is being viewed/interacted with. Android OEMs just brute force 120 on everything and also have to use a lower resolution.

Short answer? Android is doing it to check off a spec box.

Apple wants to do it the right way and what will be best for the end user.

I don't know where you've been getting your information. There are Android phones with variable refresh-rates. Google Pixel 4 (while at 90 max, still has variable refresh) and the OnePlus phones also do this, including the new Pro @ 120. You CAN force the 120, but you don't have to. Likewise, the OnePlus can do 120 @ QHD.

Likewise, when the LCD iPhones (the best selling ones) aren't even 1080p, and the Android phones often have a PPI, idk why you're talking about phones "and also have to use a lower resolution". Is the iPhone LCD great? Yes. It is fantastic for an LCD (I had an Xr before the 11 Pro Max I currently have).

 

[The Game 161]

There’s a report saying pro max will get it but pro might not?

 

[MacCheetah3]

Have you tried it?

I admit, no. However, I have seen video recorded in high frame rates, such as 60 fps, versus 24/30 fps, and admit there's a difference. Some people think it's better, some not -- as in whether it's an improved experience not whether there's a difference.

In that experience, it is much more comfortable to scroll or move an input device with a high refresh rate monitor.

I'm using a 390 Series 27" Curved Samsung and a significantly old Mac... And I'm not seeing any notable stutter, tearing, or other lag related effect when fast scrolling or zooming in and out. COULD a higher refresh rate make it seem more "buttery" smooth? Perhaps, though negligible.

In other words, no direct experience.

Maybe not, perhaps just factual explanation.

Oh I don't need an explainer, thanks. I am very familiar.

There is a tradeoff on LED screens -> the colors on my MBP are definitely more accurate than either of my 144hz monitors (one supposedly wide gamut "DCI-P3" IPS and one supposedly "sRGB" TN). I suspect one of the reasons many people complain about stuttering and laggy MBP screens (search the forums) is because of the panel requirements for accurate color. For a phone, you are constantly moving the objects on the screen, so I'd take a little color loss if required.

I'm not doubting you might interpret some difference. Nonetheless, I wasn't stating there's no visual difference when doubling the refresh rate. I said the difference is evident in limited situations -- which you appear to at least partially support

Finally, I'm not convinced macOS fully supports high refresh rate in all Applications, particularly Catalyst (News is obviously not supporting it). So, similarly, not all apps support it in iOS, but they should, and I'm sure having a phone run 120hz would eventually lead to full support everywhere.

...And probably not worth the cost to the majority because of this limited impact.

Ultimately, you're allowed to make comments and decisions based upon your perspective. So, if you believe the iPhone wouldn't be advancing without a 120Hz or higher rate display and thus don't want to purchase the next generation if it doesn't include such, that's okay.

I was sharing the facts as I see relevant -- pun not intended.

UPDATE EDIT:
The significance of cost difference is in part assumption/opinion by me. Although, compare otherwise similar featured products with those sporting higher refresh rates.
There are valid reasons why 60Hz+ hasn't gone mainstream (yet).

 

[djcgeez2189]

Darn and 120hz was the only thing I was waiting for. You don't realize how nice it is until you have it. Look at the iPad pro you didn't realize you needed 120hz until you got the iPad pro. Using any iPad after that butter smooth display is hard . Apples promotion display is a thing of beauty who wouldn't want that on their phones.