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Display of Flash Content in iPad Promo Materials Likely Not Indicative of Actual Flash Compatibility

fribhey said:
already starting to happen:
http://www.youtube.com/html5
http://www.vimeo.com/blog:268
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Yeah, I have noticed a decline in the use of flash as well. As a web developer (on the side), I really don't use flash (although I have it if I wanted to). I stopped using it mainly because I did not find it any easier (or more useful) than html5 or a simpler, lightweight javascript applet. I am sure other popular sites plan to move away from Flash, it will just take time (and money) to do it on that kind of scale.

So yeah, I think Apple is trying to use its leverage in the mobile market to kill Flash. Is it bad? Maybe for some (like Adobe). Overall, I think Apple's take is that Flash will continue to get in the way of better, and perhaps more secure, web program languages. I think it will stick around for a while though, if for no other reason because it is well known by developers and they are comfortable using it (kinda like Java).
 
Apple has quietly updated their iPad video on their site and it now shows the broken flash plugin icon. yay! I guess they know how to man up!
 
furi0usbee said:
Apple has quietly updated their iPad video on their site and it now shows the broken flash plugin icon. yay! I guess they know how to man up!
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Apple should just replace the blue Lego in their mobile browsers with a graphic that says "This device does not support proprietary Web media. Apple believes in and promotes open Web standards." That would make the naysayers chew on their words a little longer before spitting them out.
 
LagunaSol said:
Apple should just replace the blue Lego in their mobile browsers with a graphic that says "This device does not support proprietary Web media. Apple believes in and promotes open Web standards." That would make the naysayers chew on their words a little longer before spitting them out.
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call me when html 5 works on millions of websites
 
LagunaSol said:
Apple should just replace the blue Lego in their mobile browsers with a graphic that says "This device does not support proprietary Web media. Apple believes in and promotes open Web standards." That would make the naysayers chew on their words a little longer before spitting them out.
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Or,

Apple could allow a flash player and let the user decide to use it or not....
 
furi0usbee said:
Apple has quietly updated their iPad video on their site and it now shows the broken flash plugin icon. yay! I guess they know how to man up!
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They had probably already prepared an alternate video to post if they didn't get away with the first one.
 
LagunaSol said:
Call me when you're ready to say no to proprietary Web, even if it means feeling some pain.



Yeah, I'm sure that approach will help purge the Web of proprietary Flash. *rolls eyes*
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you act like most people know or care about proprietary web. most consumers just want hulu (or whatever) on their ipad. and html 5 may be coming, but it's not here yet.

people don't buy things now only to have future usability.
 
cloudblood84 said:
you act like most people know or care about proprietary web. most consumers just want hulu (or whatever) on their ipad. and html 5 may be coming, but it's not here yet.

people don't buy things now only to have future usability.
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"most consumers" never heard of hulu.
 
Tons of websites have adapted to the mobile devices not having flash and many more will continue to do so I don't know why this now is an issue.


HTML5 has a long way and needs a lot of work. At least with popular platforms not having flash and begging for an alternative it will push the HTML5 development process and maybe we can see what it can really can do before 2022.
 
puffnstuff said:
Tons of websites have adapted to the mobile devices not having flash and many more will continue to do so I don't know why this now is an issue.

HTML5 has a long way and needs a lot of work. At least with popular platforms not having flash and begging for an alternative it will push the HTML5 development process and maybe we can see what it can really can do before 2022.
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Perhaps, realistically, before 2014.

It may need to evolve, and it will take time.

The alternative, however, will keep us in stagnation - this need not be an option.
 
Anuba said:
The target demographic for this device, as the negative reaction on MR has indicated, is not tech nerds who score cool points for dissing Flash. It's mainstream consumers. Many of them don't even know what Flash is, it's just content as far as they're concerned.

To omit Flash on iPhone isn't a dealbreaker since the browsing experience is so crippled anyway, but it's a whole other story on a screen like the iPad. Mainstream consumers who see pages full of boxes with blue Lego pieces on them aren't going to say "go Apple! Way to show those Adobe bastards", they're simply going to say that their new shiny iPad is a POS that doesn't work.

And content providers aren't going to start a costly migration from Flash unless the iPad's browser market share hits a healthy 10% or so. Well, the iPhone is at 0.44% market share in the webstats after 2.5 years, so I wouldn't hold my breath for a mass exodus from the Flash platform. It's been around for 14 years and it's going to be around for another 14 years. It may lose considerable market share during that time, but it's not going anywhere. Even Microsoft have been unsuccessful at competing with Flash, and they have their own freaking Flash, Silverlight. It's been out for 2 years, it ships with Win7, but you rarely see any Silverlight content outside microsoft.com.

Standards with such a massive market share as that of Flash are damn near impossible to kill, no matter how much they stink and no matter how superior the alternatives are. Just look at Windows.
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Yep the same people who claim this device isn't for technorati are likely right. But then how do they conversely explain to the same buyer that they cant watch Hulu or surf they frequented on every other device? You going to bore them with html5 predictions? they just want to do normal stuff now.

furi0usbee said:
Ask yourselves this. Do you need to think of a reason to buy the MacBook Pro? Apple is asking us to think of a reason to buy this thing. Reading books is not a main reason for me. So after that, I don't know what is. If my MacBook Pro had 3G, I wouldn't even watch the iPad promo.

The ability to have internet access anywhere on a large screen would the only factor for me. Books are nice too. But my MacBook Pro can do everything the wi-fi version does, and it does it much better.
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Agreed the keynote seemed like a plea for someone to believe some of their claims with buzz words like magical and revolutionary.

No such smoke and mirrors were needed for the first iPhone. People were buying it without subsidy back then and a contract.

rstansby said:
And until then we all get screwed. With the iPhone it isn't a big deal to be missing flash. The iPad is a much better device for surfing the web and watching video, so flash is a huge omission. To me it is the biggest flaw with this device.
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Agreed, it;s completely excusable on a smartphone, but not when the device is supposed to be a superior web experience than a Mac

freeny said:
was it deliberate? Absolutely, but they hope the average consumer (PC users) wont notice, and they most likely wont. They also understand a good percentage of their fan base wont care...

expect new ads to be produced showing only sites not implimenting Flash ;)
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It is hard to judge intent, but this one appears to that way. A company who maintains such tight control over communication just doesnt let things like this suddenly skip review.

cmaier said:
"most consumers" never heard of hulu.
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That's a flat out lie. Do you have any evidence to support that claim? Unique traffic scores or something?
 
furi0usbee said:
Apple has quietly updated their iPad video on their site and it now shows the broken flash plugin icon. yay! I guess they know how to man up!
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Yes, it's purely "magical!"... blue legos of arrogance":) Perhaps the "magical blue legos of corporate arrogance."?

More like they got called on the carpet... like a dirty politician....
 
LagunaSol said:
How about the "blue Legos of proprietary Web technology that should be eliminated and replaced by open standards?"
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...and in several years they probably will be.

Until then, Apple's obstinant stance will further cripple the Pad.

Apple's "boot camp" somewhat supports some older versions of Windows,
but Windows is not an "open standard".

Apple created a proprietary DisplayPort connector and shipped
systems with it, but it was not an "open standard".

Apple shipped systems with 802.11N based on a draft of the standard.

Apple are very flexible about when to embrace a standard, and when
to go their own way.

For now though, Pad early adopters will need to get used to blue
Legos.

ipud.jpg
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The Apple Phone OS has 0.4% marketshare - that's the number that's
going to come up when companies look at the question of revamping
their websites to fit Steve's ego.
 
Liking Flash is not the issue

Without Flash, the iPhone and more importantly the iPad is handicapped. It reflects very poorly on both Adobe and Apple that they haven't come up with a solution. Like it or not Flash is a part of the Web and without it, many prominent sites cannot be viewed. Apple appears to be ignoring it and trying to skirt the issue - an amazing course for a company who claims the web experience on their device is amazing. Without Flash or a workaround, browsing the web will never be complete.

I am an early adopter who often goes for 1.0 apple devices but this issue makes me seriously think twice. I'd rather use a notebook that is fully functional on the Web. Let's hope this is a moot point for iPad 2.0.
 
AidenShaw said:
...and in several years they probably will be.
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Yeah, and I'm sure the British would have grown bored and left town on their own if we had just kept paying King George's taxes. :rolleyes:

AidenShaw said:
Until then, Apple's obstinant stance will further cripple the Pad.
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Or perhaps their defiant stance will be a rallying cry in the Flash-free Web revolution?

AidenShaw said:
Apple's "boot camp" somewhat supports some older versions of Windows,
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Somewhat? :rolleyes:

AidenShaw said:
Apple created a proprietary DisplayPort connector and shipped systems with it, but it was not an "open standard".

Apple shipped systems with 802.11N based on a draft of the standard.
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It's Apple's hardware. Seems they can do what they want in that regard. Who owns the Web? Adobe? Microsoft? Apple? None of the above. Proprietary technologies have no business here. And of course you agree, but will pretend not to when raging against The Most Hated Fruit.

AidenShaw said:
Apple are very flexible about when to embrace a standard, and when to go their own way.
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This may be true, but in this case they are absolutely correct. Adobe does not and should not control the Web. Again, you agree with this position but will avoid voicing it.

AidenShaw said:
For now though, Pad early adopters will need to get used to blue Legos.
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No problems here. I browse Flash-free on my Macs too.

AidenShaw said:
The Apple Phone OS has 0.4% marketshare - that's the number that's going to come up when companies look at the question of revamping their websites to fit Steve's ego.
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Ridiculous. How about Adobe's ego? Perhaps Adobe should cut Flash loose and make it an open standard no longer under their corporate control?

Or continue to make this all about Steve if it makes you feel better. Whatever. Heck, you probably still dream at night of a Web where all sites run only in IE 6 for Windows. :rolleyes:
 
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