Display of Flash Content in iPad Promo Materials Likely Not Indicative of Actual Flash Compatibility

[cmaier]

I Googled the "toshiba slate" did not find anything. Here is a picture of the HP Slate. From a "technical perspective" it's way cooler, because it does, much, much, more than the iPad. Look it's actually widescreen. Ipad is 4:3.

Don't know the toshiba model name. It's the "convertible" kind (the keyboard flips over behind the screen.) Technically not a "slate" I guess.

I have no problem with 4:3, btw, at least not in that size device. Of course, I wouldn't be using it primarily to watch movies.

 

[martint84]

The HP Slate is coming out this year. 5 years in development. Runs Windows 7 and is a complete Tablet. Apple had twice the time, and all they gave you was a big iPod touch. Need I say more.

You just don't understand the potential and significance of that fact that we got our "big iPod touch." And for only $500 too. Am I the only one that saw the MLB app?

 

[zim]

Check this html5 player out!


Free for everyone too.

That video was beautiful and played so smoothly. Thanks for posting!

 

[zim]

Well lucky you!

What happened on my MBP is this:

1. Safari hanged with spinning beach ball for about 90 secs.

2. Then it crashed...


So what do we do about this now?

Ban HTML5 from iPad as well?

I'm in Safari too.. played fine. What version are you using? Mine is updated with 4.0.4.

 

[X38]

Just to be clear, I rather like Apple's efforts to kill off Flash and I'm not particularly concerned about not having Flash on the iPad. (And I really like my Mac and my iPhone, so you could probably call me an Apple fan.)

However, from what I have seen so far, I think this iPad is going to be a disaster for Apple. There was a slim chance it could have been a success if they had been truly innovative with it, but let's face it, Apple failed this time.

Much as I don't care about Flash and wish it would go away, I have to agree that Apple looks guilty of blatant and harmful false advertising in this case. I'm no lawyer and have no idea what would happen in court, but in the court of public opinion Apple looks like huge jerks for showing pictures of iPad loading Flash when in reality it can't. At this point the only way they can avoid a storm of negative publicity that will trash their reputation for years to come is to put Flash on the iPad. Maybe it didn't really need it, but too late now.

Of course, the iPad is so bad they best thing the could do right now is cancel it outright and come back in a year or so with an all new from the ground up tablet product.

 

[LagunaSol]

Check this html5 player out!


Free for everyone too.

Truly impressive. And I could scrub the video without breaking a sweat or getting hopelessly stuck, unlike, ahem, Flash. With my lowly dual-core processor at 3 ghz with 4 gigs of RAM. Astounding!!! /sarcasm

Die, Flash. Seriously. It's time.

 

[irobot2003]

Didn't crash for me. Played real nice, and my fan didn't come on!

Hugh

I just did and it crashed my Safari!

So much for great HTML 5

Didn't crash Safari, but it just hung... spinning beachball. After about 30 seconds of this I killed the window to try and avoid the crash. I'm running 10.5... maybe one needs 10.6?

 

[cmaier]

Truly impressive. And I could scrub the video without breaking a sweat or getting hopelessly stuck, unlike, ahem, Flash. With my lowly dual-core processor at 3 ghz with 4 gigs of RAM. Astounding!!! /sarcasm

Die, Flash. Seriously. It's time.

But don't you know that's impossible?!!? A third-party like google (chrome) couldn't possibly make html5 video streaming work without the "access to low level functions" that adobe insists it needs for flash.

 

[JohnDoe98]

But don't you know that's impossible?!!? A third-party like google (chrome) couldn't possibly make html5 video streaming work without the "access to low level functions" that adobe insists it needs for flash.

Your sarcasm fails insofar as google uses the quicktime apis to render the video in macs. They have no more access to hardware acceleration than do Adobe. And there is no way that Apple will let flash into the quicktime API no matter how much or little processing power flash requires (no matter how well it is programmed).

 

[DMann]

Join the YouTube HTML5 Video Player Beta.

Flash, circumvented!

 

[cmaier]

Your sarcasm fails insofar as google uses the quicktime apis to render the video in macs. They have no more access to hardware acceleration than do Adobe. And there is no way that Apple will let flash into the quicktime API no matter how much or little processing power flash requires (no matter how well it is programmed).

Your statement makes no sense. My entire point is that everyone (google, Microsoft silverlight, etc) seems to be able to render streaming video efficiently on mac except adobe. These other vendors have the same API access to the mac as does adobe. You say so yourself - google ha no more access than adobe - yet (here's the important part) everything other than flash WORKS. Adobe is full of crap web it blames apple for poor mac flash performance.

 

[MacGuffin]

New York Times.

All the Flash that's fit to fake.

Don't worry. The actual news is all true. Like the bit about the WMDs, remember?

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

I Googled the "toshiba slate" did not find anything. Here is a picture of the HP Slate. From a "technical perspective" it's way cooler, because it does, much, much, more than the iPad. Look it's actually widescreen. Ipad is 4:3.

This thing looks about 5x better than iPad!

Thanks for posting

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

Didn't crash Safari, but it just hung... spinning beachball. After about 30 seconds of this I killed the window to try and avoid the crash. I'm running 10.5... maybe one needs 10.6?

I am running 10.5.8 with latest version of Safari too...

Maybe one needs 10.6 for it - I don't know.

All I know is that I tried playing this awesome super mega fantastic HTML 5 video 3 TIMES and that all 3 times it either hanged of crashed my Safari.

Otherwise my MBP work perfectly with any page out there...

 

[cloudblood84]

 

[gibbz]

^^^^
Millions of browsers crash while on the millions of websites that use Flash. Get used to the little crash report windows.

 

[Journojulz]

The iPad hasn't been out for more than two days, and it's already sinking faster than the Titanic.

Just posted a reminder in iCal to reply to your post on Jan 30, 2011.

 

[cloudblood84]

^^^^
Millions of browsers crash while on the millions of websites that use Flash. Get used to the little crash report windows.

too bad it never crashes for me on my os x or windows machines

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

too bad it never crashes for me on my os x or windows machines

Exactly...

In fact, since yesterday, the opposite is true!

Safari crashed 3 times while trying to play HTML5 video posted in this thread!

Just ignore this handful of blinded fanboyz and demand functionality and value for your money

 

[Nuvi]

I was willing to tolerate the lack of flash support on the iPhone... but Apple, remind again how this is better than a laptop???? Apparently not. Clearly need to start developing these things to what consumers demand.

I agree. Why can't you just disable Flash if you don't want it. Honestly, I don't need or want Apple to tell me what I can and can't do. I have tolerated it with iPhone but this is different. Think different guys, the big brother wasn't IBM or MS...

 

[dru`]

I just did and it crashed my Safari!

So much for great HTML 5

Works flawlessly on Webkit Nightly. In fact even full screen the demo film used around 25% (of 200%) CPU. Compare that to FLASH which pings both cores.

I read one of Adobe's Flash developer's blog about why FLASH vid isn't as good as player plug ins on CPU useage and he claimed HTML5 should be just as bad because of what work it'll be doing. Clearly he doesn't know squat.

I think the iPad bringing out a bunker mentality from Adobe Flash's developers is very telling.

 

[dru`]

(snip Adobe propaganda image)

What he ignored was most of the sites display fine on an iPhone because they have versions for it.

http://kuoi.com/~kamikaze/read.php?topic=Mac&id=264

 

[madmax_2069]

I wish people would be very specific about why they want Flash. List some websites they can't use because of the lack of support on the iPhone and then we can begin to evaluate whether that website could replace its Flash with something that doesn't require a browser plugin.

Allot of online job applications or generic applications require flash just to get to the app, if your not running it you cant get to it to fill out the app, if your on the road with your device that dont support flash your screwed.

I think Apple just needs to pull their head out of their butts and start working with adobe to make flash as good as it is on a windows PC.

I have never had a crash in safari, or firefox in OS X , but the performance of flash in OS X is almost insulting.

Hell even the PSP supports flash lite, which is better then no flash at all, and it runs it rather well. its not the same as a full featured version of flash. If that is all they offered on the iPad i would be happy.

 

[Rocketman]

It's taken Apple 10 years to develop the sad excuse for a tablet now called the iPad.

Yep. Or said another way, it has taken 10 years for component technology to improve sufficiently to even make this crippled version of a tablet. I bet it is 5 years or longer till we can even reasonably have real 1080p HD in our hand along with the associated broadband for a cost approximating pocket change.

Does that about cover it?

Rocketman

 

[freeny]

I use to create the simulated interfaces for all the Mobile ESPN commercials, and while we would at times take some artistic freedoms (ie skip load times etc.) we would never show content that wasnt actually accessable on the device.

This is false advertising.

The ads were most likely produced by a third party house but the content was almost certainly provided by Apple.

(smacks apple on the virtual hand)

was it deliberate? Absolutely, but they hope the average consumer (PC users) wont notice, and they most likely wont. They also understand a good percentage of their fan base wont care...

expect new ads to be produced showing only sites not implimenting Flash