Display of Flash Content in iPad Promo Materials Likely Not Indicative of Actual Flash Compatibility

[KindredMAC]

This indeed "false advertising" as well as misleading. The product is showing something that it technically cannot do.
AND if Apple keeps pushing their RDF about how it is the best way to view the whole web, they had better make sure their legal department is ready to work a lot of overtime or hire more lawyers because they are going to be drowning in a pool of ****.

 

[budselectjr]

Thank god they have flash on the macrumors site. How else would I see a ad to switch to Time Warner or buy tickets off of stubhub?

 

[pgflmac]

Silverlight

??

 

[Anuba]

rearchitected from the ground up? really?

The actionscript aspect was built from the ground up, not sure if the graphics engine is 100% new.

I use grams, millimeters and liters for the things at their scale, whereas centimeters and fractions of meters simply don't visualize well for me. I can "feel" the difference between 5'6" and 5'7" much better than the diff between 168 and 168.4 centimeters and can visualize the full size as well.

Right, but that's only because you're conditioned to it. I grew up with the metric system and for me it's the other way around. If you say 168 cm I can picture the person in a millisecond, if you say 5'7" it's a complete headscratcher. But on the other hand, if you say 19" wheels or a 22" bass drum, it clicks instantly because those two items were never 'metrified' for some reason. "55 cm bass drum" means nothing to me. It's only a question of which system is etched into your mind. Neither system has some sort of magical advantage over the other when it comes to visualization. The reason why the metric system wins hands down is that it's so easy to calculate since everything's base on 10/100/1000, while imperial is 1-12 inches, 1-3 feet, 1-1760 yards etc. It's just masochistic to train yourself to calculate on the fly with those inherent inconsistencies... I mean, "Quick! How much is a kilometer minus 229 meters? 771 meters!" vs. "Quick! How much is a mile minus 229 yards? Ummm.... 971... no, 1760... wait... 1531?"

34 Celsius is quite a bit hotter than 32 - much more apparent than between 98 and 100 F.

Yeah, but you gotta hand it to Celsius for putting zero where water freezes. It's such an obvious, natural way to think of temperature. Water's where it's at. It freezes at 0 (32 F) and boils at 100 (212 F). -50 is North Pole cold, +50 is Sahara desert hot, and here in Sweden an extremely cold winter day is -35 and an extremely hot summer day is +35, so the range is perfectly centered at 0. I guess it would be more offset in California, say -5 to +40 or something.

And then there's the date format which is also a bit funky... putting month first, then date, then year? That's like writing time in MM:SS:HH. We use 2010-01-30, largest to smallest unit, like the clock.

 

[Alpha Cluster]

The quote from Adobe just shows they are angry about losing exclusivity for support of the epub format. Oh no adobe watch out someone is ACTUALLY making a working epub reader!!! Lets whine about flash which is being supplanted already by html5.

 

[furi0usbee]

This indeed "false advertising" as well as misleading. The product is showing something that it technically cannot do.
AND if Apple keeps pushing their RDF about how it is the best way to view the whole web, they had better make sure their legal department is ready to work a lot of overtime or hire more lawyers because they are going to be drowning in a pool of ****.

As much as I hate this, there is nothing illegal about this. A. They are not even selling this product. How can you buy it on false pretense when you can't buy it? B. Just because you think it can do something it doesn't, does not mean you have legal recourse against the company. C. The unveiling clearly showed Steve not being able to see the Flash items on the web page. He never said this runs Flash. If Apple starts running ads on TV/print/web showing the device properly showing flash objects on screen, I'm with you. Until then, it's just fancy promotion.

 

[cmaier]

Yeah, but you gotta hand it to Celsius for putting zero where water freezes. It's such an obvious, natural way to think of temperature. Water's where it's at. It freezes at 0 (32 F) and boils at 100 (212 F).

No it's not. It's arbitrary. Why water? Proper units of temperature are Kelvins or degrees Rankin.

 

[boss1]

Shouldn't matter to anyone here that it's "false adv" . At this point you know it doesn't support flash.

The real concern is why would I buy something with a broken internet broswer? so I can get frustrated everytime I visit a sight and I see a plugin instead of the video ? I don't care what small percentage of the Internet is flash. I care about that 1 time I browse the web and I'm restricted of content that was relevant to my search because Safari is gimped.

Let me ask you this Jobs? How much less popular would safari for windows/mac be I'd it didn't support flash?


And don't get me wrong, I've been with iPhone since release, been with iMac since rev a in 1998, been with mac since OS 7, a floppy drive , and a grey scale version of Photoshop.

I was willing to tolerate the lack of flash support on the iPhone... but Apple, remind again how this is better than a laptop???? Apparently not. Clearly need to start developing these things to what consumers demand.

 

[lex750]

The quote from Adobe just shows they are angry about losing exclusivity for support of the epub format. Oh no adobe watch out someone is ACTUALLY making a working epub reader!!! Lets whine about flash which is being supplanted already by html5.

Show me all this wonderful HTML5. I don't see it. Yeah a YT, beta. What else? It's like saying HD movie download is the wave of the future. Sure, it might be, in 10 years. So do we just not get a BR player and not rent or buy any BR Disks because in 10 years something better will come? Don't say Apple TV has HD, because what they have to offer is crap, compared to BR, and now BR 3-D. HTML5 is not ready for primetime, and It won't for a long time. Flash is here for at least the next 10 years if not more.

 

[cmaier]

Flash is here for at least the next 10 years if not more.

No. Stop and think what technologies dominated the internet 10 years ago, and compare that to now. Overlapping set? Not so much. 10 years is a thousand years in Internet time.

 

[LEStudios]

who needs flash anyways?

No crap! No Flash didn't stop 75 Million iPhone and iPod Touch Customers did it? Why should it stop the iPad customers? Does Amazon Kindle surf the web or use Flash?

 

[rstansby]

And maybe those sites will stop using the proprietary Adobe-controlled Flash formats and use open standards like H.264 and HTML5 to present content.

And until then we all get screwed. With the iPhone it isn't a big deal to be missing flash. The iPad is a much better device for surfing the web and watching video, so flash is a huge omission. To me it is the biggest flaw with this device.

 

[Anuba]

Lets whine about flash which is being supplanted already by html5.

Sigh. Again: Flash will utilize hardware acceleration, starting with the next version. It will be much faster and the CPU load will be greatly reduced. I just had a look at a simple HTML5 animation that looked like some Flash demo from 1996, and the fans in my MBP went berserk within 30 seconds. HTML5 may take over basic Flash tasks like simple banners, but as for games and long animated videos... good luck with that.

 

[Rocketman]

As much as I hate this, there is nothing illegal about this. A. They are not even selling this product. How can you buy it on false pretense when you can't buy it? B. Just because you think it can do something it doesn't, does not mean you have legal recourse against the company. C. The unveiling clearly showed Steve not being able to see the Flash items on the web page. He never said this runs Flash. If Apple starts running ads on TV/print/web showing the device properly showing flash objects on screen, I'm with you. Until then, it's just fancy promotion.

If we are going to be legalistic about it, and what anti-fanboi is not? The live demo superceeds the prepared video. More recent update trumps.

Litigation central.

Drama about Google, yet it was mentioned and was present. [Google Maps] Drama about Adobe yet it was demoed and mentioned. [pdf]

Drama about some book company who went on CNBC and chatted up the established rumors of the moment and mentioned they have a bunch of books prepped for that or any eBook reader that might come along (tomorrow). Crickets.

Get a life?

 

[cmaier]

If we are going to be legalistic about it, and what anti-fanboi is not? The live demo superceeds the prepared video. More recent update trumps.

Litigation central.

Drama about Google, yet it was mentioned and was present. [Google Maps] Drama about Adobe yet it was demoed and mentioned. [pdf]

Drama about some book company who went on CNBC and chatted up the established rumors of the moment and mentioned they have a bunch of books prepped for that or any eBook reader that might come along (tomorrow). Crickets.

Get a life?

More importantly, to interpret that one video as showing that there is flash means that the person watching it is obviously looking for flash. You have to know that there is supposed to be flash there. You clearly are interested in flash. You care about. A casual observer wouldn't be able to know if it was flash, an animated gif, or something else.

If such a person cares, they should check the damned spec sheet. Ask an Apple salesperson. Do a little research.

 

[lex750]

No crap! No Flash didn't stop 75 Million iPhone and iPod Touch Customers did it? Why should it stop the iPad customers? Does Amazon Kindle surf the web or use Flash?

The Kindle is not being marketed as a device that offers "The best Internet experience." The Kindle is just a e-book reader. Who cares about Flash on a phone? The iPad is being compared to Netbooks, by Steve Jobs himself. Netbooks have no issues with Flash. The iPad does. Get it?

 

[Anuba]

No it's not. It's arbitrary. Why water? Proper units of temperature are Kelvins or degrees Rankin.

"Arbitrary", said a creature whose body is 62% water...

99 times out of 100, people are talking about weather when they're talking about temperatures. They don't have daily conversations about the melting point of Tungsten.

 

[lex750]

No. Stop and think what technologies dominated the internet 10 years ago, and compare that to now. Overlapping set? Not so much. 10 years is a thousand years in Internet time.

It's taken Apple 10 years to develop the sad excuse for a tablet now called the iPad.

 

[cmaier]

"Arbitrary", said a creature whose body is 62% water...

99 times out of 100, people are talking about weather when they're talking about temperatures. They don't have daily conversations about the melting point of Tungsten.

They should. There's another 38% of me that cares about other elements. Why not pick carbon or nitrogen? Both of these are very important elements. How do you explain absolute zero to someone who thinks in Celsius? Doesn't work.

Degrees Rankin are better than Kelvins - finer granularity.

Henceforth we should all agree to use degrees Rankin. I have spoken.

 

[cmaier]

It's taken Apple 10 years to develop the sad excuse for a tablet now called the iPad.

Because it's not an internet technology. It's a lot harder to develop hardware than software - it always pissed me off that at my microprocessor startup we couldn't raise $25M, when at the same time on-line petfood purveyors were raising hundreds of million in VC money. Bastards.

Say what you will about iPad, but the problems with it ain't the fault of my buddies who developed the A4.

 

[puffnstuff]

Sigh. Again: Flash will utilize hardware acceleration, starting with the next version. It will be much faster and the CPU load will be greatly reduced. I just had a look at a simple HTML5 animation that looked like some Flash demo from 1996, and the fans in my MBP went berserk within 30 seconds. HTML5 may take over basic Flash tasks like simple banners, but as for games and long animated videos... good luck with that.

Making head way...
http://www.canvasdemos.com/type/games/
http://www.watersheep.org/~markh/html_canvas/game.html

 

[leonstafford]

as a former web programmer, I've had to adapt content for clients who insist on their pages displaying properly in retarded Internet Explorer, due to its marketshare.

If enough of your visitors are using iPhones/iPads, etc, it's time to make your content compatible.

Flash is a resource hog. It may be easier for developers to bang out a Flash game which can run bloated on a C2Duo with 4GB of RAM, but if they have skillz, porting to the iPhone isn't impossible, and will likely make a better game in the end.

F::k Flash!

 

[lex750]

Because it's not an internet technology. It's a lot harder to develop hardware than software - it always pissed me off that at my microprocessor startup we couldn't raise $25M, when at the same time on-line petfood purveyors were raising hundreds of million in VC money. Bastards.

Say what you will about iPad, but the problems with it ain't the fault of my buddies who developed the A4.

The HP Slate is coming out this year. 5 years in development. Runs Windows 7 and is a complete Tablet. Apple had twice the time, and all they gave you was a big iPod touch. Need I say more.

 

[cmaier]

The HP Slate is coming out this year. 5 years in development. Runs Windows 7 and is a complete Tablet. Apple had twice the time, and all they gave you was a big iPod touch. Need I say more.

Unless I missed something, the hp slate is no different than the toshiba slate my wife currently uses, or the fujitsu she had some years ago. Not an impressive technical feat. From a technical perspective, iPad is much cooler, even though it doesn't do what anyone hoped (or at least it doesn't do it in a way people hoped).

 

[lex750]

Unless I missed something, the hp slate is no different than the toshiba slate my wife currently uses, or the fujitsu she had some years ago. Not an impressive technical feat. From a technical perspective, iPad is much cooler, even though it doesn't do what anyone hoped (or at least it doesn't do it in a way people hoped).

I Googled the "toshiba slate" did not find anything. Here is a picture of the HP Slate. From a "technical perspective" it's way cooler, because it does, much, much, more than the iPad. Look it's actually widescreen. Ipad is 4:3.