If they haven't been already my guess would be never.
Developers have known about this for a couple years now, I'm guessing 99% of those apps were abandoned long ago.
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If they haven't been already my guess would be never.
Developers have known about this for a couple years now, I'm guessing 99% of those apps were abandoned long ago.
on the contrary. those apps are at least 2 years old (apple stopped approving 32 bit apps in 2015) and the developers were made very aware that they needed to update for 64 bit support sooner rather than later. they choose not to, so they are the ones that 'broke' your apps. if you want to pursue a refund you need to go directly to the developers.
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normal consumers no, but developers yes. in fact its part of their 'one job'. they didn't. that's not on Apple.
AND Apple has been warning folks every time they open a 32 bit app that the developer will need to update it to work with iOS 11. its been that way since WWDC in June if not earlier. Which means either you didn't understand what you were reading on that pop up or you haven't opened those apps in weeks to see the pop up.
This is not true across the board. Some people may have received warnings, but not all.
Not sure if you've been reading the thread, but I have been using the apps in question. In fact one app that I mentioned previously in this thread, I use at least 10 times a day as it links to my baby camera. Just because you're seeing something, doesn't mean others are.
[doublepost=1506020751][/doublepost]Seriously, I feel like I'm being punked. What' so hard to believe that not everyone is getting warnings when opening their 32 bit apps?
I find it hard to believe that Apple didn't show these warnings on every device. I even tested on some different devices before upgrading to iOS 11 by disabling notifications for those apps and I was still told those apps needed to be updated.
The alert in question is shown in the first image in this article on the Verge: https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/19/16332562/ios-11-32-64-bit-apps-update-wont-work-apple-iphone
I don’t think I’ve had a single 32 bit app not warn me in the last few month when I opened it that it may run slow, and then more recently warn me that it is not compatible with ios 11.
I agree, though, anytime an app breaks bc of an iOS update it’s extremely annoying and quite honestly should be easily preventable on Apple’s end.
But Apple has been warning developers for quite some time, so in the end it’s on them for not updating or warning you, not Apple.
I agree, though, anytime an app breaks bc of an iOS update it’s extremely annoying and quite honestly should be easily preventable on Apple’s end.
But Apple has been warning developers for quite some time, so in the end it’s on them for not updating or warning you, not Apple.
There is a warning after you've updated to 11 (same warning from the article you posted), which is kind of pointless since you've already updated. There is NO warning, prior to updating to iOS 11 (at least not on any of my 3 devices). I haven't seen any warnings prior to updating. I was about to update my mini (already updated my phone and ipad pro) until I saw this thread, so my mini still has 10.3.3 and I still don't receive any warnings when opening up my 32 bit apps. The only warnings I receive are on my iOS 11 devices.
Maybe there's a miscommunication with this back and forth, but it's kind of pointless warning you after the fact. Apple should've given all 32 bit apps that "No longer will be able to work" warning prior to installing iOS 11.
As evidenced in this thread, everyone (apparently except you) got these warnings every time they launched the app in 10.3.3.
Yes, I have been reading the thread. I'm sorry you missed the warnings, but on the OS you say you've been using those warnings have been in place for some time now. I hope the developer fixes his app. It's not my fault, it's not Apple's fault. It's 100% on the developer. Good luck in your future endeavors. I'm out.
Oddly enough, I do believe you. Can you give the actual name of the app? It is currently still possible to downgrade to iOS 10, but this window will close soon. It will not be difficult to verify this while the downgrade window is open, and should probably be reported to Apple if there really are apps that aren’t giving warnings in iOS 10.
I just looked at the first page and AFEPPL also didn't receive any warnings. Not sure about posters on the other pages as I'm not re-reading this entire thread. So, it's not everyone, except me. Also, this thread isn't proof of Apple giving a warning on ALL 32 bit apps prior to iOS 11 update.
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iBaby monitor is an app that I use everyday that I haven't received any warnings on. I did just check one other 32 bit app that I use on occasion, but not often "Tetris" and I just received a warning on that one.
I found an app Ibaby by ibaby labs - it was updated 1 week ago, I downloaded it and it runs fine under version 11. Maybe you just need to update your app?
https://ibabylabs.com/support/
No this is the correct app - https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibaby-monitor-bm/id463286055?mt=8
It hasn't been updated since Nov 2013.
Using the App store icon on iOS I did not find that app. There is something called iBaby View by iBaby Labs, inc, same company. Same icon too. Says it was updated a year ago.
Sounds to me like the "original" app was ditched a long time ago.
@missbing - go try the iBaby View app. Looks like it's the same one you have but updated. Says it works with the M2 and M3s
If I were the topic creator, I'd be writing Apple and asking what they did with all the money he gave them.
Modern operating systems, (such as iOS 10, Android, MS Windows, GNU/Linux, Unix) support both 64bit and 32bit apps.
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There is precedence for this. Sony sold PlayStation 3 consoles that supported dual booting (Linux or the Game OS). With a software update, Sony removed the dualboot feature, a feature that existed when the customer bought the original ps3. Sony fans said the same thing, you can just not update and still dualboot. One class action lawsuit later, Sony lost.
Some iPhone devices could run 32bit apps when they were bought. Apple is removing that feature with an update. Looks like a similar situation to me.
Source: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-might-owe-you-money-heres-why/1100-6441109/
There are at least 2 iBaby apps from the same company (I have both due to having different cameras). One is iBaby (M3) that I bought 3 years ago and it was last updated in 2013. This is the one that is no longer compatible. The other is IBabyCare (M6) and was updated 2 weeks ago and has no compatibility issues.
[doublepost=1506036820][/doublepost]Getting back to the original post. I wouldn't expect a refund from Apple and don't think they should be responsible for refunding. But, if it's a lot of money I would contact the Developer or Company and push for an update or refund.
You're completely right. It's highly likely, almost a certainty, that Apple surreptitiously created a special one-off version of iOS 10 and iTunes for your devices. It was probably installed at night by guys who dropped from black helicopters.
I just downloaded and installed the app you mentioned on my iPhone, which is still running 10.3.3. It throws both a warning on launch and a compatibility flag in Settings.
We have over a dozen iPhones and iPads in the family. We had a discussion around the kitchen table after dinner one night and compared who had the most 32 bit apps. Every device had a compatibility warning. Just sayin'.
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If it makes you feel better and someone has to be right and there is no grey area of us experiencing different things, then you’re right and I’m wrong. I’m just making this whole thing up. I was just thinking what can I lie about today. I’m done.
Why can't Apple continue to support 32bit apps in ios11?
Don't say for performance because an iPhone 7 with ios10 can run both 64bit and 32 bit apps. Surely an iPhone 8 is faster than a iPhone 7.
Don't say for security because Apple is regularly provides os updates.
Don't say for cost because Apple took 30% of all sales of apps and yearly dev fees and huge iPhone profits.
Pretty much for the same reason they took away the headphone jack in iPhone 7 and Touch ID on iPhone X. This is how Apple operates - they will cannibalize past technologies to focus on the future. They don't like to hold baggage that will limit what they want to do.
It's up to you to agree with that philosophy or not. I'm fine with it, but I can understand why others would not.
Marvel vs Capcom 2, Secret of Mana, any game released before 2015.
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When the list of app developers includes both small indie and huge companies, it is the trust in Apple's app store that is affected.
Hmmm.... I have to admit it is unfortunate that many games aren't supported. I've bought a number of games I greatly enjoyed that haven't been updated. I can accept that they are gone, but it isn't a great situation.
To me the problem is more nuanced than just 32-bit support. Apps are cheap and don't provide a reliable revenue stream unless they use the subscription or freemium model - this dis-incentivizes developers to update apps. On the flip side you probably didn't pay much for those games, but I think moving forward some kind of subscription model or at the very least new "yearly versions" are going to become more prevalent to guarantee updates.
[doublepost=1506042215][/doublepost]By the way, if you really value the 32-bit apps over iOS 11, which I think applies to many people on this thread (cc: @missbing), I'd recommend researching and performing the "downgrade" step. Someone has already done this - ref https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ipad-pro-10-5-update-to-ios-11-cellular-drops-out.2069296/
This option won't be around for long, so take advantage of it if you really need to use those 32-bit apps.
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Even huge companies are for-profit. If they don't see any improved revenue as a result of updating an App, they will likely de-prioritize updating it.
When a dialog box pops up with a wall of text and there is only one choice (ok), most people are not going to read it. They are just going to click ok so they can run their app. (Bad design by Apple)