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Do I sense a major price drop on the Cinema 20"?

well what I have noticed is when something like this is posted is the mac zelot idoits who think they know stuff come out and say blah blah apple is right everyone else is wrong. Apple monitors have been over priced for ages.

I still get a great laugh when a friend of mine paid 200 more than I did to get is presistion apple 17 inch monitor. Me I pocket that 200 and got my self the LG monitor that apple rebaged as there own. I have the usb hub that the apple monitor did and I saved 200 bucks. Point out that is is the exact same monitor just the he paid 200 more than I did for the rebaging.

I can tell from this tread people dont know jack about how LCD are made. and how badly apple has market there up. Well it about time apple learn to drop there monitor prices.
 
Timelessblur said:
well what I have noticed is when something like this is posted is the mac zelot idoits who think they know stuff come out and say blah blah apple is right everyone else is wrong. Apple monitors have been over priced for ages.
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you're totally right about the 17" square-aspect monitor, but... WAKE UP, until now there has not been competition in the widescreen display market. apple has been THE ONLY ONE that has sold such displays, so in that kind of situation it is very hard to judge what is and is not overpriced.

of course, apple displays have always been on the expensive side. they are however also always been on the best quality side, too. you get what you pay for.

now, the dell 20" widescreen display intro should force apple to lower its price - if not for the whole line, then at least the comparable model. i know they won't (ever?) begin competing with price, but i believe they should set their price point somewhat closer to the competition (now that there is such).
 
This is getting interesting

I am happy to see David from ChaitGear posting here.

I wonder why he hasnt address what I think is a very important issue.

Are APPLE lcd's really better?
Or is it hype? rebranding at its best?

Does APPLE have the edge in COLOR etc.
I am sure David has seen these models together and has compared them
The new Dell widescreen and Apple's cinema display.
Is APPLE's color better, what are the true qualities that stand out as superior?

I have heard that DELL is using the SAME LCD in this model, and yet still I question it, IS APPLE's hype machine THAT good?

Graphics artists care about color, contrast ratio etc.

But the question is firstly are such specs true.?
Is a 250 nit real?

I see on Cnet that specs often change when looked at objective and often are not so easily speced.

Contrast Ratio is not always evenily distributed across the panel etc.

I am interested in hearing or finding the truth in this.
 
I just wanna know when they're gonna show up on the UK website, and see how much they're asking for.

iMac 20" + 20" Dell + ability to still have my PC on the DVI input of the Dell = WIN!!!!
 
Grokgod said:
I am happy to see David from ChaitGear posting here.

I wonder why he hasnt address what I think is a very important issue.

Are APPLE lcd's really better?
Or is it hype? rebranding at its best?

Does APPLE have the edge in COLOR etc.
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Apple does have the edge in quality and colour, NO OTHER MANUFACTURER has access to the LCDs that Apple uses. Watch the keynote speech where Steve Jobs introduces the 30". He clearly states that Apple pays more for the VERY BEST LCDs. Apple may at times use some dubious marketing ploys but Apple would be in deep sh_it if this claim was false.

They may come from the same factory and even the same production line as some other displays but APPLE gets the best before anybody else.

Why do you think Dells LCDs fail the SWOP certification ? I know this for a fact, if they were the same then Apple's would fail as well.

The reason for the price difference is the extra cost involved in testing and manufacturing the displays to Apple's standards. Yes I know about the pink tint issue, problems do occur. And if you don't believe this is the reason for the price difference with the Dell then why can Sony still sell a 21" CRT for $1900 ? Yes that's right, a 21" CRT for $1900. Why, because of the colour accuracy and stability. These monitors will not deviate from their calibrated profiles for months.

It's really annoying reading posts on these forums made by people that have no idea what they're talking about or by people with lower standards then others. I save thousands of pounds a year by knowing I can proof jobs on screen without resorting to expensive printed proofs. I feel extremely confident that what I see on-screen is what I'll get back from the printers. I've even gone as far as setting up a G5 on-site with a client so they can proof photos and brochures before going to print.

Before I started using Cinema displays I was forced to run an expensive Epson 5000 proofer. Inks and paper added up to over £5000 some years. I can buy a few new 20"s a years and still have some change, not that I need to.
 
price drop...

Just as a note....Dell has already been discounting their new 20" widescreen to as low as $630 SHIPPED down from the regular price of 799. Or you can get their 20 inch 4:3 flatpanel for $599.

Thats pretty much half of what apple charges. Just thought I'd point this out if anyone was about to buy one.

for more info, goto www.slickdeals.net
 
Better SWOP monitors?

Little Endian said:
Uh.. Huh... and Apple's Pink tinge problem and Color Calibration Problems go along way to adding merit to the SWOP Certification. I hope you know that almost all Monitor makers including Apple get their LCD Panels from the same companies Primarily Samsung and LG. Sure Apple's Color Accuracy is without a doubt top notch but there are others that have SWOP certification that are priced Cheaper and if you look at Apples own support and Discussion website I think you will find many who are unhappy with the newest 20 and 23 inch Cinema Displays Due to Color Accuracy Problems not to mention others.
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Which LCD's are you talking about that have SWOP certification and are cheaper than the Apple 20? I'd like to take a look!
 
Grokgod said:
Isnt anyone interested in my post :( and replying.

I rarely get a reply to my posts, is it that my insights and questions are foolish or irritating?

I find them very intereseting.P)
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Hello Grokgod, I didn't want you to feel left out. I think that you have some good insights with your post above. Don't find you irritating at all.
 
Thanks to both zoetropeuk and wdlove for addressing me and my post.
I think that i have been having a hard time in life and appreciate any understanding.

I guess that these issues mean alot to me and my work and I really appreciate Zoetropeuk's insightful words. Its helping me get my mind around what has always been a issue for me.

I agree with you, what i am still trying to comprehend is the 600:1 contrast ratio put out by Dell for the Ultrasharp 2005fpw and wether its real or not.

Or like Nits where they count it on the bright side of the screen and ignore the dark side! :p
 
edesignuk said:
iMac 20" + 20" Dell + ability to still have my PC on the DVI input of the Dell = WIN!!!!
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I have read somewhere (can't remember where exactly) that it's maybe not such a good idea to use the "spanning hack" on the new iMac (although it works), as the video card may overheat in that tight enclosure.
 
edesignuk said:
$630 = £340 for a 20" widescreen LCD :eek: :eek: :eek: :cool: Wonder how much you could get one shipped over for? :D
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That depends whether it's shipped as "$630 Monitor", or "used auto parts"...
 
the future said:
I have read somewhere (can't remember where exactly) that it's maybe not such a good idea to use the "spanning hack" on the new iMac (although it works), as the video card may overheat in that tight enclosure.
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I've been running it since I got my iMac, and other than my first iMac being a complete dud (for other reasons), I'm having no problems with the second one, and that's with using a 2nd screen all the time.
 
Well I got my Dell 2005FPW today. No odd pixels as far as I can tell. I'm primarily using it for my PC and someday for my PowerMac G5 when I get one but... my iBook (using the screen spanning hack) was able to display on the 2nd monitor at 1680 x 1050 no fuss at all. Is it good to do? I dunno. But it does work. Now to order that Ergotron arm... :)
 
Little Endian said:
Uh.. Huh... and Apple's Pink tinge problem and Color Calibration Problems go along way to adding merit to the SWOP Certification. I hope you know that almost all Monitor makers including Apple get their LCD Panels from the same companies Primarily Samsung and LG. Sure Apple's Color Accuracy is without a doubt top notch but there are others that have SWOP certification that are priced Cheaper and if you look at Apples own support and Discussion website I think you will find many who are unhappy with the newest 20 and 23 inch Cinema Displays Due to Color Accuracy Problems not to mention others.
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You can say what you will about Apple, but Formac is certainly no reliable alternative. They are based in Germany, and from what I've read, the Customer Service should a problem arise is horrific. If you read C/Net and ZD/NET reviews of this monitor, they site that the frame around the monitor is such flimsy plastic that it could lead to seperation around the area where the monitor matches the surrounding plastic. No thanks. I have the previous 20" studio display and it has been fantastic in terms of reliability, asthetics, color reproduction, and producitivity. I'd like to know what monitors specifically meet the color criteria or prepress proofing of an Apple monitor. Feel free to give examples as you are so freely to site but not willing to give specifics.
 
the future: Monitor spanning "hack" concerns are complete FUD. The graphics chips are designed for spanning. If anything, the real hack is Apple disabling the feature.

Graphics cards get hot with or without spanning, no better and no worse one way or the other. The only disadvantage to spanning is you're splitting your VRAM between the screens, so instead of 64MB on one you have 32MB on each of two. That doesn't make much difference for people who want to span... and when it does, one can revert to mirroring.


zoetropeuk said:
Why do you think Dells LCDs fail the SWOP certification ? I know this for a fact, if they were the same then Apple's would fail as well.
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zoetropeuk: Where is your proof that Dell ever even applied? Manufacturers have to pay $5000 for the certification - $2500 to apply, with $2500 due upon successful completion of certification. After that, the certification only lasts for two years. Recertification of unchanged systems costs $2000, and for changed systems the price is $3000, each of which lasts for another two years. To even be considered you must use (and most likely purchase, unless you can borrow Kodak's) calibration products from SWOP.

I'm sure SWOP as an organization is legitimate and does a lot of good for the industry. However, their certification pricing resembles extortion. Dell most likely does not play SWOP's game . . . and gets its kneecaps busted by SWOP's heavies.

A good slice of Occam's Razor says Dell never applied for SWOP certification.

Your contention would be valid if SWOP were the type of organization which tests everything and makes the pass/fail results known. However, the certification process is nothing like that.


zoetropeuk said:
It's really annoying reading posts on these forums made by people that have no idea what they're talking about or by people with lower standards then others.
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(irony)
 
SilentPanda said:
Well I got my Dell 2005FPW today. No odd pixels as far as I can tell. I'm primarily using it for my PC and someday for my PowerMac G5 when I get one but... my iBook (using the screen spanning hack) was able to display on the 2nd monitor at 1680 x 1050 no fuss at all. Is it good to do? I dunno. But it does work. Now to order that Ergotron arm... :)
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Would you care to post a picture of your setup? Have you covered the Dell logo on the front? Thanks.
 
Once I get the Ergotron Arm I'll take a few pics and post them. I'm rearranging my stuff right now and so... yeah... it's rather nasty looking... :) I haven't covered up the Dell Logo yet but I never notice it.
 
Nice, thanks. I know what you mean about rearranging things. Whenever I do that, I unplug everything, clean whatever's cleanable and then put everything back together better than it was before.
 
www.dellrumors.com ? :rolleyes:

lets all use dell computers and eat kraft dinner.
YAY!!!! dell has actually sells a product that's the cheapest in its equivilant market? that's just amazing...

unfortunately i'm not interested in buying a computer that depreciates in price as such an incredible rate. Sure, apple hardware is chronically expensive compared to pcs. apple will be able to reduce their hardware prices as their sales and market share increases. apple can't lower their prices to increase their sales because its too risky and there isn't enough profit margin....its an awkard position that you can help fix! buy apple!

at the end of the day, i guess you'd got to think about what sort of organisation you're supporting. apple is an innovative company which produces the great things i'm sure we're all aware of. dell has such an efficient production chain (that doesn't have many links at all!) that makes owning a computer much lighter on the peoples pockets, but doesn't offer anything new. with dells cheapness hurting apple and its innovation (as we've seen to date), if we all bought dell, new technology development would grind to a halt.

...if only the dell principle was applied to apple hardware, and dell used its market position to push more computer users into non-microsoft software and products (as we know them to date)

dell = capitalist machine, which in the end hurts the technological advancements which you're seeking in the first place.
 
Dell flat panels are among their best products -- good enough that I'd suggest that Mac users look carefully at them. The price difference is enough that you can get a better computer to hook up to the slightly less attractive display -- and in the long run, you get more oomph out of RAM than out of an especially sexy monitor.
 
Alert Alert!!

I bought a ( cough cough ) Dell monitor FPW.

So far it looks really nice and I was stunned to see it next to my PowerBook and see that the brightness blows away the laptop LCD.

Of course I am sure that a Cinema Display would also.
Strangely MOST of the controls for the monitor are Greyed out!
I find this bothersome and I can't change the contrast setting.

So i have no idea what is the default.

Now in a few days I will get my NEW G5 and am going to run a Cinema Display and the Dell. Both monitors together and I am going to know at last IF its all HYPE or truth!

All three LCD's together for final evaluation.
PB, Cinema and Dell, fight it out to the death.
The loser gets sold!

Stay Tuned for the truth brought to you in living color photos!
 
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