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Do people pirate software for the Mac?
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It is not stealing. You can not steal something that isn't a physical property.
If you purchased software (you purchase the license, actually), you can give it to someone else so long as you cease using it yourself, and do not retain original nor copies. It's not legal to pass it on while retaining the use of it for yourself.
What about software licenses that cant be transferred? Like app store "apps" or steam games? You cant resell those licenses, because the system prevents you from doing so. Especially in situations like this, why would people want to pay money for something they cannot resell? I've never in my life bought something that I can not resell, other than software.
To me, it seems that the software industry is just sh*tting in the hand it eats from
Duff-Man says....the piracy question comes up a lot, and those that partake in it always toss out the same old justifications, and those that don't respond with the same arguments regarding "theft" and the definition of therein. The semantics can be argued in circles forever, but it'll never make piracy "right" by any means.
As to whether it happens in the Mac world, one only needs to look at the number of piracy threads locked in the wasteland to get the answer to that question....oh yeah!
As to whether it happens in the Mac world, one only needs to look at the number of piracy threads locked in the wasteland to get the answer to that question....oh yeah!
No, it can't. If I "steal" a song, that would mean that the record label no longer has that song. That is stealing. The term you refer to is infringement
It is stealing because they want to sell it for you at a price, you ignore them and you get it for free, stealing.
Of course it goes round and round in circles.
Group A equates copyright directly one-to-one with theft.
Group B doesn't see it as stealing.
Call the crime what it is, then teach people why that's wrong. The moment you make it seem like a physical property crime is when you lose the teenage group who you're trying hardest to convince.
All it takes is parents who teach that taking what is for sale, and is not purchased, is wrong. Sounds like we have plenty of parents (and maybe some future parents) who will not be bothered. Too bad that. And it's so ridiculous. Many of the same people who will argue ad infinitum over their individual rights will not recognize the rights of the intellectual property developer. The decline of civilization continues...
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heres to you being the next guy slapped with a 1 million dollar fine for stealing music. im sure they will totally buy you "but but it's not stealing!" argument
What does this have to do with what I am willing to pay for and what I am not willing to pay for? Like I said, I am willing to pay for tangible objects - Cars, computers, houses, candy, food, iPhones, Macs, LaserDiscs, records, etc.
I am not willing to pay for files. I will not pay for files on a disk either. And I especially will not pay for DRM'd files on a disk.
It's not stealing. Pirates never get charged with theft and never will be convicted of theft. That's because it's not theft. Piracy is a violation of copyright law. That is all. Here's an illustration:
What does this have to do with what I am willing to pay for and what I am not willing to pay for? Like I said, I am willing to pay for tangible objects - Cars, computers, houses, candy, food, iPhones, Macs, LaserDiscs, records, etc.
I am not willing to pay for files. I will not pay for files on a disk either. And I especially will not pay for DRM'd files on a disk.
It's not stealing. Pirates never get charged with theft and never will be convicted of theft. That's because it's not theft. Piracy is a violation of copyright law. That is all. Here's an illustration:
I know the point you are trying to make and you still fail with your supposed "logic"
Some people rely on coding for a living. Their work, their "product" is the software created. How you can say it's ok to pirate their work because it's not tangible is mind boggling
You not buying that software is stealing as its them not being compensated for their work yet you reap all the benefits of the time they put into creating it
I really can't believe I have to sit here and teach morals about what is right and what is wrong. What is this, kindergarten?
Right, but there's always the real going out of business sale...
And the completely got-it-wrong jerk who designed that gif has no clue, nor a prayer in court.
A rose by any other name... piracy is theft is stealing.
Attempts to defend piracy are all semantic BS and will not hold up in court. Piracy is immoral, deprives artists and intellectual property creators of their due, and may discourage people from taking the trouble to maintain and enhance their creations or to continue making their music, writing their books.
Whoever doesn't see that is part of the problem, part of the downspiralling of civilization. Yes, civilization. Respect for creative output is essential to its continuation through the ages. Where it fails, we enter another dark age. Respect for each other's rights and the rule of law is also essential if we will like to continue living in a democratic ambience. Where that fails, we end up in either in tyranny or in the chaos of anarchy.
You could argue about the price of an item (software, a track of music, a movie download). You could argue that updates cost too much. You could even argue that resale should be permitted where today some resales and license transfers are prohibited. But to argue that any of those objections justify taking the thing offered for sale without payment, that's where you lose people who might otherwise listen.
And the completely got-it-wrong jerk who designed that gif has no clue, nor a prayer in court.
A rose by any other name... piracy is theft is stealing.
Attempts to defend piracy are all semantic BS and will not hold up in court. Piracy is immoral, deprives artists and intellectual property creators of their due, and may discourage people from taking the trouble to maintain and enhance their creations or to continue making their music, writing their books.
Whoever doesn't see that is part of the problem, part of the downspiralling of civilization. Yes, civilization. Respect for creative output is essential to its continuation through the ages. Where it fails, we enter another dark age. Respect for each other's rights and the rule of law is also essential if we will like to continue living in a democratic ambience. Where that fails, we end up in either in tyranny or in the chaos of anarchy.
You could argue about the price of an item (software, a track of music, a movie download). You could argue that updates cost too much. You could even argue that resale should be permitted where today some resales and license transfers are prohibited. But to argue that any of those objections justify taking the thing offered for sale without payment, that's where you lose people who might otherwise listen.
When did I say it was OK to pirate software? (Hint: I didn't)
You might think it's theft, but you are wrong. It's a copyright violation. The difference is outlined in the image in my previous post.
I really can't believe I have to sit here and teach morals about what is right and what is wrong. What is this, kindergarten?
You don't have to. Nothing you say or do here will stop me from pirating music, movies, tv shows and software.
It's implied by the fact that you do pirate....
Ok, is that still not a crime?
That's quite sad imo
Well said, esp what I bolded
How people can not comprehend that is baffling
Karma's a bitch though
No it's not. I do plenty of things that are not morally "OK" by society's standards.
It is a crime. I'm not saying it's not a crime, I'm saying it's not theft.This may be a surprising, but not all crimes are theft.
You like to focus on semantics?
One could VERY easily argue piracy is theft
In any event, it's illegal so whatever point you are trying to make isn't being made
Yes. Don't call me a thief. I am not a thief. I am a copyright violator.
No, they could not.
The point I am trying to make is that I am not a thief, I am a copyright infringer.