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Go to Sequoia. It's really not hard and you'll be able to enjoy it for years to come with no compatibility issues.

...and no security updates.

Apple made it clear, publicly, that previous OS versions receive only limited security patches, and that "not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions" due to "architectural and system changes".

Translation: We actually force you to upgrade to the current version.

Unless you don't take security seriously, staying on older releases, even just one behind, is not a good idea.
 
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...and no security updates.

Apple made it clear, publicly, that previous OS versions receive only limited security patches, and that "not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions" due to "architectural and system changes".

Translation: We actually force you to upgrade to the current version.

Unless you don't take security seriously, staying on older releases, even just one behind, is not a good idea.

Eh .. I'm not sure I buy that fully.

We'll see.

IMO, also, "Security Updates" are used as FUD to get people upgrading.

Apple have a really good history of addressing actually serious OS security issues even on non current OS versions.... and browser concerns are almost always updated for previous versions.
 
IMO, also, "Security Updates" are used as FUD to get people upgrading.

I happen to work in cyber. Trust me when I say: Security updates are anything but FUD.

I'm not sure I buy that fully.

I linked to the public statement about this on Apple's own website. There is no reason not to buy it. It's their modus operandi, and they are under much scrutiny for it by the security community.
 
They have already demonstrated it numerous times. There is a reason they put this remark on their website. I am not sure why you are trying to downplay this. It's a real issue, and people should be aware of it.

Ok -- I get you
Let's take a breath for now.

It's not like we are all at some GRAVE RISK at this moment by not being on Tahoe.

It's very easy to get over paranoid on this stuff.
I'll take my chances.

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Just to assuage some concerns on this, please go check out the security update history page here:


Various non current macOS versions continue to get updates for security issues.

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It's not like we are all at some GRAVE RISK at this moment by not being on Tahoe.

No one ever said that.

It's very easy to get over paranoid on this stuff.
I'll take my chances.

I hope others reading this are less reckless.

Various non current macOS versions continue to get updates for security issues.

No one said they don't. Would you mind re-reading the initial post? And maybe also read Apple's announcement on this. It would probably help.
 
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I'm fine with the appearance of it, but it's definitely not the smoothest OS at the moment. Big issues with overloading the GPU if doing two vaguely GPU related things at once, I see the window server is using a lot of GPU for some reason. Chrome also seems very unoptimised for it at the moment, so I'm using Safari more
 
I happen to work in cyber. Trust me when I say: Security updates are anything but FUD.
But many security exploits rely on users' naivety (to put it nicely). If you're vigiliant and know what you're doing, it's unlikely that the patches you miss by being a version behind are going to cause catastrophic damage.

In before anyone says it.... I'm not saying it can't happen. But anything can happen, on any OS, any version.
 
I'm fine with the appearance of it, but it's definitely not the smoothest OS at the moment. Big issues with overloading the GPU if doing two vaguely GPU related things at once, I see the window server is using a lot of GPU for some reason. Chrome also seems very unoptimised for it at the moment, so I'm using Safari more

I have to keep reminding myself that they for some reason decided to release this in September as opposed to the usual October for macOS.

I have no clue why Apple thought that was a good idea because it certainly isn’t ready for Primetime.
 
I have to keep reminding myself that they for some reason decided to release this in September as opposed to the usual October for macOS.

I have no clue why Apple thought that was a good idea because it certainly isn’t ready for Primetime.

Same. As I've mentioned, I've been using Macs since System 7 (at a very young age, I am not that old, lol) and save OS X 10.0, a truly brand new OS that came with warnings and the option to jump back and forth between it and OS9, Tahoe is the buggiest Mac OS release ever.

macOS 26.01 looks, feels and behaves like not just a beta, but a mid-release beta. This OS was not fully baked and it was clearly released based on timing, not because it was ready. And there is no way this 'new' design was years in the making. They either rushed it last minute or scrapped a completely different approach and had to start over, because the alleged ‘complete overhaul’ of macOS looks more like Sequoia with the same mostly flat-leaning design, a few new features, a glass illusion theme with rounded corners applied and many QOL issues inserted to accommodate these awful design (for the sake of it) changes.

Which leads me to my issue with prominent YouTubers, Bloggers, and big Apple sites, including (and sometimes, especially) MacRumors, who all prioritize their PR relations with Apple to keep those event invites coming, which produces the most viewed content in their published libraries. As a result, save a few bombs that they just can’t avoid, they don’t always speak objectively when Apple drops the ball unless it’s a safe ding that Apple admits to as well, like AI, etc. This shields Apple from pushback by those who have large platforms, which is bad for everyone.

Then there are the prominent 'reviewers’ that gloss over or omit blatant design flaws, issues and major bugs as they take you through a perfect and safe scenario with just the right wallpaper and window placements, and on Macs running nothing but a fresh install. This gets tricky though, because as you look for more objective blogs, channels and reviews, and yes, they are out there, you’ll also notice that on the other side of the spectrum there are content creators whose only angle is to bash Apple all the time and every time simply because any negativity towards Apple will automatically generate more views, especially with their absurd and clickbait thumbnails. Just another horseshoe effect in play in these modern times.

In contrast to other macOS releases, Tahoe (as of 26.01) is a mess (iOS is a horror too, but I've not had the time to even go there), and while we can say that taste is subjective when discussing the (failed) Liquid Glass illusions applied to the actual windowed GUI and icons (especially in Dark Mode), what’s not subjective is the fact that Apple screwed up the UX and made Tahoe the first macOS to actually get in the user’s and their data’s way while they tout that Tahoe is the macOS that gets out of your way.

Call it gaslighting, call it Apple being delusional, but we can’t call much of the Tahoe pushback subjective. A staircase that’s too narrow and or steep makes it an objectively bad and dangerous design, the garish carpet running up the steps? Sure, that can be seen as a subjective take, but that would be just a small part of the equation. ‘Liquid Glass’ may be Apple’s latest design language, but all the changes they made to showcase it and all the bugs that the OS 26 releases introduced are also part of the Liquid Glass branding and moniker in my view.

Here’s hoping that Apple will make very necessary tweaks and changes with upcoming releases, but I think we know that they are all-in on this design direction that they’ve entered, and we’re going to see other devs/apps following suit, and at best, we may get better visibility here and there, but I am not expecting Apple to address all the QOL and UX issues that they uncessasarly introduced with this release.
 
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Apple screwed up the UX and made Tahoe the first macOS to actually get in the user’s and their data’s way while they tout that Tahoe is the macOS that gets out of your way.

Call it gaslighting, call it Apple being delusional, but we can’t call much of the Tahoe pushback subjective.

Great post.

What I would say is that, and this is not new, Apple has swallowed its own marketing speak so completely that they just keep "saying everything is amazing" with every release, whether it is or not.

All of the press releases for new products or updates are literally just "formula" from the past.

They are so out of great new ideas, they are even out of new marketing ideas!

I had this thought reading the iPhone Air release announcement page earlier this morning.
When I saw the following I immediately thought "this sounds really old and familiar"

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The usage of "breakthrough" goes all the way back to the first iPhone when Steve said "breakthrough Internet communications device", 18 years ago now.

It's all just words, not necessarily with any real meaning.

Everything is "breakthrough" or "remarkable" and they are "so excited" about it all.
"The best", "most secure", "most private".

It's all "crafted" and "stunning" and "environmentally conscious" (not really).

I don't know ... the company just needs new leadership.
They've FULLY run ALL the plays in the old playbook at this point.
 
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But many security exploits rely on users' naivety (to put it nicely)

No, actually most security exploits rely on software vulnerabilities. User stupidity is a major problem, but it can only be exploited due to weak and vulnerable software (in this context).

In fact, macOS and iOS both have been plagued by numerous "interaction-less" exploits, where something as simple as a malformed text message could breach the device.

I really don't understand why you guys try to minimize this. It's a fact that Apple is not fully patching older macOS versions, so it's generally a good idea to be on the most recent OS version. Whether you want to take the risk or not is up to every individual, but don't act like the risk isn't there.

It's really, really bad advice to "enjoy an old, EOL macOS release for many years to come".
 
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I don't know ... the company just needs new leadership.
They've FULLY run ALL the plays in the old playbook at this point.

I'm not a Steve Jobs cultist, but let's face it, he was an exceptional visionary and knew how to make people want what he had to offer.

Tim Cook is just not any of those things. He's a go-along-to-get-along, wave riding, mid-level corporate widget. And that is why you see the steady decline in quality and innovation. The increasing frequency of disappointment and failure to live up to the hype.
 
As of October 2025, Apple does not provide complete security updates on a routine basis for older macOS versions. The company's official policy is to provide the full suite of security patches only for the current macOS version. It then provides limited, selective security fixes for the two previous major releases.


If you want to run an older OS with security gaps that is your choice. Personally I would never take that risk.

I don't understand the lack of concern about security in general with Apple users.

Apple should support older OS for at least 4 years. Right now it is 2 years. So Sonoma came out 2024. It will be updated until 2026. This is not an official policy so Apple could change this at any time.

On top of the fact you only get 2 years of security updates on older OS, you get selective security updates not complete updates. If Apple is only supporting an older or not current OS for 2 years they should offer full security updates. Anything less is cheating customers and pushing forced obsolescence. Obviously this is nothing new for Apple but even seasoned Apple customers should be upset. Apple does everything to get you to buy frequently but customers have the right to push back and expect a long service life of their devices and of Apple actually cares about the environment then supporting older devices with complete security updates for longer not shorter would be in line with environmental efforts. What Apple is actually doing is counter to environmental protection.

I love my MBA and it has been the best laptop I have ever had. It should be supported for another 4 years. After that it will be deprecated and I will be on that 2 year time clock. That would be a total of 9 years. I don't think that is bad. But the last two years I should get full updates. Whether or not I can use an older Mac with limited security and not have a problem is beside the point. Why is Apple putting any of it's customers on officially still supported OS in a bad spot security wise? I don't see any upside for Apple as customers will only be resentful. If Apple reverses this decision it would be much better PR for them.
 
But the last two years I should get full updates. Whether or not I can use an older Mac with limited security and not have a problem is beside the point. Why is Apple putting any of it's customers on officially still supported OS in a bad spot security wise? I don't see any upside for Apple as customers will only be resentful. If Apple reverses this decision it would be much better PR for them.

I agree with you 100%
 
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I agree with you 100%
What is the PR line? We care about the environment and use recycled aluminum and green energy in manufacturing etc. We want to encourage our customers to keep their devices longer and give them the best user experience for the product lifetime which is better for our planet, blah blah, greenwash...

Literally device manufacturing and cpu manufacturing or fobs are some of the dirtiest industries speaking in environmental science terms. So how do you take these industries and make them seem clean and good for everyone. Think of the carbon footprint of just all of Apple's devices manufacturered in the last 20 years??? How about toxic waste, heavy metals, mining lithium, etc?? Are these green industries?

Yet most people think of Apple as an environmentally friendly company. Amazing PR success.

Then you have the security PR surrounding all Apple devices. Most people think of Apple products as secure and private. Security is something people will buy a Mac over a PC for.

So how does not supporting the last two OS that are not current with the exact same security updates as current square with the above PR campaigns Apple regularly promotes? If you promote security as a benefit of your hardware and software then how can you justify the lack of complete security updates on any supported OS????

If you care about the environment you should do everything possible for those who do keep their devices long enough to use non current OS because of hardware limitations safe and secure. Lack of feature updates is expected and should be the only reason for buying a new device not forced insecurities.

It is expected that once a hardware product from Apple no longer support current or non current supported OS and your hardware in deemed officially out of all software support that you either upgrade or run the device despite security risks but not while the device is still under current or non current OS support.
 
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