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Do you like Liquid Glass on Mac?
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Let's say that
- we have improved compatibility with external monitors (or purchased betterdisplay and implemented his features
- we have updated the network drivers, improving performance/reliability
- we have made some non-essential applications optional so that you can choose what you want during installation
- we have made the whole system uniform by rewriting the parts that had been unchanged for years
- we have implemented a solid feedback system that keeps you up to date and is (really) read... (no, it's not enough to change the status to ‘many users report the same problem’ and then not fix it)
Personally, I would consider these changes worthy of a major version upgrade rather than: we've added LG (more or less) and updated notes, chess, and reminders and, of course, new essential emojis so you can't find the 4 you use less often
If, then, over the course of the year, the surrounding apps are improved, so much the better.
whew
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I finally gave up on Tahoe this afternoon as everything is now M1 is running Monterey as that should be.
both computers run MUCH smother, steadier and like my non- equipment!
I finally like my M1 and perhaps might smile at a Tim Crook Photo they randomly post here?
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I finally gave up on Tahoe this afternoon as everything is now M1 is running Monterey as that should be.
both computers run MUCH smother, steadier and like my non- equipment!
I finally like my M1 and perhaps might smile at a Tim Crook Photo they randomly post here?
This hadn't occurred to me before, but I read that M5 Macs will be cuffed to Tahoe and beyond due to baked in firmware configurations. So downgrades are not possible? Is this correct? ChatGPT certainly thinks so. I can't imagine buying a new Mac and having Tahoe forced upon me. I could live with iOS26 and iPad26 if I needed an upgrade, but not with the Mac. Glad I upgraded last year, but what an effing shame.
^^^^When a new Mac model is released, it will be tied to the latest macOS version at the time of release. That is, the new model will ship with the latest OS version available and be able to use future OS versions until that machine's support ends.
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Yeah but m5.
I get the hate of Tahoe but it still does the same things as Sequoia. I never encountered any bugs since release. It has been very stable so far. Apple could have done soo much better with Liquid Glass but alas we have what we have.
However if I could afford a new Mac this would be a great time as pricing is right. I wouldn't let Tahoe discourage me from a great Mac at a cheaper price?
That hasn’t been my experience with Tahoe but I’m hopeful they listen to feedback and tame the UI. Give us the option to turn LG off or at least tone it down further. The hardware is so good but I’m not interested in a touch screen Mac or its chonky windows
I just wish Apple had taken this opportunity to make some cool changes in the UI. A much needed departure from the flat, stark, ugly Big Sur aesthetic. Please give us some gradients, some less harsh grays, less #FFFFFF. Some contours, some depth. Bring back decent icons and button images, instead of ">" for forward and "<" for backward.
And would a friggin' titlebar be too much to ask?
And would a friggin' titlebar be too much to ask?
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agreed. not liking the new 'Blue check' OK button. And worse in places you shouldn't 'need to' check/affirm
iOS Safari 'window groups' / Grouped Tabs is the 1st annoying place that comes to mind—why did I need to confirm when I just swiped to make a selection. 'Idio-dundancy'
iOS Safari 'window groups' / Grouped Tabs is the 1st annoying place that comes to mind—why did I need to confirm when I just swiped to make a selection. 'Idio-dundancy'
This is a perfect take. Completely agree!
This is where the “Liquid Glass is new Aqua” argument falls flat for me: I feel that some people making a connection between liquid and aqua and assuming that that the former must be clever simply because the (well regarded) latter also had liquid elements.
The truth is, Aqua had a much stronger sense of purpose, functionality and, it could be argued taste. Aqua worked because the ‘reflective’ elements were placed on top of a flatter material, thus creating a precise contrast of buttons and window elements. Simply put, the intent and purpose was clear.
Even when Apple incorporated brushed metal - which admittedly has both admirers and lesser so - the point was to compliment materials of the hardware with beautifully rendered gradients whilst also creating distinction. The ‘liquid’ traffic light symbols, for instance, work visually because they’re contrasted by a material that is polar opposite. It feels familiar but also adds a sense of strength/confidence and is instantly recognisable. The buttons have depth over the area.
Each button had its own clear identity based on the style of action and intent, whilst maintaining depth via only subtle 3D effects, just enough to lift the controls from the surface.
I don’t think it can be argued that Liquid Glass has an interface that is more condusive to usability than Aqua, it simply has no reason to exist other than to please a certain type of person in the form of novelty factor.
Liquid Glass falls so pathetically short of Aqua that it's hard to see the analogy as anything but a joke. There is no comparison. LG is just Big Sur with a ton of bugs and a lack of purpose.
What's annoying is that despite UI elements looking the same, you can't rely on them behaving in the same way anymore. There is less and less consistency, which previously allowed you to navigate the OS by muscle memory and approach unknown features without hesitation because they generally adhered to the same UI principles you were already used to.
For example, the Action/Ellipses menu in Finder or Podcasts appears when the mouse button is held down, but in Music the mouse button needs to be released first. So you have to click again to select a menu entry. Neither Music nor Podcasts show a tooltip.
Clicking on the Volume icon in either the Music or Podcasts app shows a volume bar. Clicking again mutes audio in Podcasts, but doesn't do anything in Music.
There are unfortunately many more examples like this that can be noticed across Apple's own apps.
For example, the Action/Ellipses menu in Finder or Podcasts appears when the mouse button is held down, but in Music the mouse button needs to be released first. So you have to click again to select a menu entry. Neither Music nor Podcasts show a tooltip.
Clicking on the Volume icon in either the Music or Podcasts app shows a volume bar. Clicking again mutes audio in Podcasts, but doesn't do anything in Music.
There are unfortunately many more examples like this that can be noticed across Apple's own apps.
One of the things that is annoying me more and more is that Apple and third-party implement differently.
I don't know any of the details, but the corner of a Firefox window in front/on top of a Safari window demonstrates.
Firefox's rounded corner is bearable. But Safari's is like the sort of rounding you get in things intended for use in a kindergarten.
And this very site's quote box, for example, has a relatively tiny rounding. Not much more than just avoiding a perfect square corner.
I don't know any of the details, but the corner of a Firefox window in front/on top of a Safari window demonstrates.
Firefox's rounded corner is bearable. But Safari's is like the sort of rounding you get in things intended for use in a kindergarten.
And this very site's quote box, for example, has a relatively tiny rounding. Not much more than just avoiding a perfect square corner.
Yes, even in Apple's own apps there is a lot of inconsistency. It actually makes me a bit sad witnessing what we've lost; it's like seeing an old friend. So much easier on the eyes and simpler to navigate.
Shortcuts has some Liquid Glass elements on the main screen, yet when you go to a shortcut editing window (above) the elements are mixture of new and old.
I do like the current glyphs, however. Nice to see some retro Apple devices being recognised (particularly the trashcan and cheese grater Mac Pros'). And the BSOD on the Windows PC icon... 😂 They couldn't help themselves!
I do miss aqua, there's a blandness and even sameness (even across platforms) everything looks the same. This is where I had hoped that liquid glass would have brought back some of that coolness and artful design to the mac.
The box's title "Themed", cut at mid-height by the box's border, which is supposed to be slightly raised: is that an artefact of the screenshot or is it how it appears? And the Checkbutton, isn't it a bit oversmudged?
The screenshot was from an emulation, so the title is a glitch. Smudginess is from the image compression.
The worst are Safari and Contacts. I mean... This is as big as the screen on my 13" Macbook Air. And I can't see all the information.The big circle with the initals is just... unbearable. I'm already looking for any third party front end...
The contacts design is just laughably silly.
Are there really no configuration options at all?
It's nuts! This is software!
Let people decide how large or small (or not there at all) folks would like the contact photo to be, as well as all sorts of other things I'm sure folks would like to configure about the UI layout.
Are there really no configuration options at all?
It's nuts! This is software!
Let people decide how large or small (or not there at all) folks would like the contact photo to be, as well as all sorts of other things I'm sure folks would like to configure about the UI layout.
And finally for some very good news: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...cutive-alan-dye-poached-by-meta-in-major-coup
The term "Apps" took off with the growth of the smartphone and "App Store." And that's when focus shifted to pared down, scaled back software with very few configuration or customization options. It's gotten to where portability between phones and desktops is the overriding focus of software applications. Many desktop applications are just a stand-alone chrome instance.
It's really taken a devastating toll on quality and usefulness.
Original Question: Do I like Liquid Glass?
macOS Tahoe 26.0 first release (upgraded my Mac): "I like Liquid Glass..."
Then..wiped my Mac and went back to macOS Sequoia...
macOS Tahoe 26.1(upgraded my Mac again) : "I like Liquid Glass...."
Then..wiped my Mac and went back to macOS Sequoia...
macOS Tahoe 26.2 (UPGRADED MY MAC AGAIN) : " I like Liquid Glass..."
THEN..wiped my Mac and went back to macOS Sequoia...
I have been saying over and over to myself: "I like Liquid Glass.., I like Liquid Glass...I like Liquid Glass" to convince myself and to create positive reinforcement by saying over and over to myself to train myself to like it....
It is not working...
macOS Tahoe 26.0 first release (upgraded my Mac): "I like Liquid Glass..."
Then..wiped my Mac and went back to macOS Sequoia...
macOS Tahoe 26.1(upgraded my Mac again) : "I like Liquid Glass...."
Then..wiped my Mac and went back to macOS Sequoia...
macOS Tahoe 26.2 (UPGRADED MY MAC AGAIN) : " I like Liquid Glass..."
THEN..wiped my Mac and went back to macOS Sequoia...
I have been saying over and over to myself: "I like Liquid Glass.., I like Liquid Glass...I like Liquid Glass" to convince myself and to create positive reinforcement by saying over and over to myself to train myself to like it....
It is not working...
at least you can still downgrade to the previous version, not like in iOS / iPadOS.