Sure, that's all you did. You didn't tell people they weren't objective and you also didn't tell people they are panicking. And now when it's been pointed out to you, you also didn't get defensive at all.
Everybody saw what you did. Own it.
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Sure, that's all you did. You didn't tell people they weren't objective and you also didn't tell people they are panicking. And now when it's been pointed out to you, you also didn't get defensive at all.
Everybody saw what you did. Own it.
i suggested there was no need to panic, and i stand by that. anyway, respond if you want, then we can get the thread back on-track. 🙏
My B: drive was my 3.5" and always got the most workout.
Back in the day my A was a 5.25" drive
Casually opening the widgets panel.... Look at the dock area...
Is this supposed to be happening?
(visually catches my eye and is irritating straight away)
The thing that chaps my ass about this whole Liquid Glass nonsense is that there are reasons why Apple moved to a flat design after "Aqua" so many years prior. Microsoft experimented a bit with transparency as well with Vista and others, but inevitably went back to a flat design. Most of the popular linux distros have a flat design as default as well. If you want to tinker around and make everything look "WaTeRy" you should have the option to do so, but not as the default.
Who asked for this? Is there any evidence to suggest that people are looking for a "Liquid Glass" look and feel across their devices again? What are we doing?
Who asked for this? Is there any evidence to suggest that people are looking for a "Liquid Glass" look and feel across their devices again? What are we doing?
It looks amazing in VR ... and that's where it should stay.
Exactly. An operating system need to operate. Not wiggle its glassy ass in my face.
I get it. But wow. I am just saying my opinion and I don't think it is that controversial???
That being said have you used Windows 11? Literally all the complaints about misaligned or that the UI change brings less efficiency in use(more clicks for same function) is the same.
I generally don't criticize a brand new OS release as hard as I will after a couple of updates. All OS new versions have bugs. If Apple doesn't fix the obvious UI defects soon I would be surprised.
What is eye candy? Why is having something look nice somehow useless or bad? I remember when Vista came out and the glass interface used a lot of graphics resources when released and a ton of complaints, after a while nobody complained and most people liked to new look.
Are you telling me that looks have nothing to do with your usage of a computer? Maybe you hate all GUI and would rather revert to all text interface? Again, going back in time when XP was out and OS X tiger and the very different UI. I was initially interested in Macs because of how beautiful the hardware was and the GUI was miles ahead of XP. When I use my current android phone I miss the polish of the GUI iOS uses compared to Android. Both are great but if I was going to choose only on appearance then iOS would win. Functionality and design can work together or work against you. The more resources you devote to "eye candy" the less you can use elsewhere. This logic used to be true when GPU were much more limited. You can make things more efficient and faster and look good. I think Apple has always done this well. It is always a compromise as a text interface will always be faster. Personally when I use a computer I like the way my desktop looks. It matters.
Efficiency in OS due to how many clicks or taps does it take to do a task. It may be that one task you use often has changed and now takes more clicks but other things may require less. In my experience a HUGE problem with Windows (mich more so on Windows) and MacOS is changing the GUI to make things we do on a regular basis less efficient. I can't remember when in recent memory where MS or Apple talk about improvement of speed within the OS. Each new iteration of any OS should be faster than the previous version. A strong focus on performance within an OS would benefit everyone. Yet I barely here any mention of improved performance in an OS? It is a major complaint of mine for at least a decade or so.
When I say change I mean I like major GUI changes. When I say consistency I mean consistency of design throughout an OS and across different devices. I like change when it happens but I want consistency with that change. I hate a half baked UI update many of which I have observed using various Windows releases. I don't think there is anything confusing about my statement unless you conflate the two concepts which is not what I said.
Lastly if you look at those complaining the most it is people who have used Macs for a long time or primarily over the years are the ones complaining the most.
I have learned over the years to embrace change rather than complain about what I don't like and rather focus on what I do. Apple ain't listening to my opinions. Either is Samsung, Microsoft, etc. So unless an update breaks things or is completely unstable I try to focus on what I like and hope what I don't will get fixed or improved as time goes forward. There is certainly a list of things I would have done differently and errors that I noticed in the new Liquid glass UI but I feel like Apple should have some time with the new release out in the wild and give them some time to improve as I would with any initial release of any software.
I hate to say it and I don't typically praise Windows, but your statement is highly inaccurate. Windows 11 is very polished, none of these misaligned UI elements exist there. We can say a lot of bad things about Windows, but 11's UI is nowhere even remotely as messed up as the current state of affairs in Liquid Glass.
Sure you are right about misaligned ui elements which I personally haven't experienced but I am agreeing but when Windows 11 was initially released it had some big bugs.
I have been complaining about Windows UI for years. You like a full GUI then go to control panel and welcome to the 90s. Several buried sub menu's with different GUI etc. They never fix several huge jarring UI elements.
Sure there are visual UI element errors on MacOS as released but I am pretty sure that will all get sorted in a update soon.
Windows has never had a polished UI ever in its history. As a Windows user for years that wasn't a big point. In fact, the UI was a distraction from performance so most Windows users didn't care about the GUI. That is changing but Windows has a lot of work to do just to get a cohesive UI interface between all menu's and settings and sub settings.
I will concede that Windows (save for major update failures) has become much more stable and reliable in the last decade.
You’re kidding, right? Try saying something positive about Apple on this forum, you’ll be drowned in cross negativity in minutes!
To be honest, I don’t know why I still come here. I’m so tired of the relentless negativity, most days it feels like an Apple haters club.
I did. It was all me. I sent them threatening letters until they changed it.
You're welcome, in advance.
Not sure if I can pin all the issues with Tahoe on Liquid Glass. But yes, most of the 'sloppiness' of the UI is due to it. The overlays are not giving what Apple thinks they are, many are meant for frosted glass, not liquid glass.
There are a lot of elements that look and feel just so gratuitous. There is an overall unpolished feeling to Tahoe, one that I've never experienced with macOS before, at least not to this degree, and no, it's not due to it being new. And I am not sure if this is a 'wait for point releases' issue, I think that this is how Apple wants macOS to look and behave.
There are some design elements that feel unnatural, but exist for some kind of forced continuity despite some applications of said elements not making sense. And there are several apps that feel like they are made up of empty templates like Contacts, Phone, etc., which look unfinished. The UI shouldn't rely on user photos/images to look complete.
There's also a lot of odd placements of things in various apps, and as expected, the Music app is still a disaster, and the play/control bar sitting over songs just to show off the liquid glass when there is a gigantic sea of blank space above every playlist is beyond irritating. The control bar looks like you can move it, and you feel compelled to grab it and do so, but of course, Apple had the audacity to once again say, ‘nope, this is where it will stay, and we think you’re gonna love it!’
How about those notification and pop up windows with left aligned icons and text? Was this actually intentional? Another change for the sake of change, or a bug? Shocking how they kept the same notification functionality where you have make an unnecessary additional step to reveal a button to 'allow’, etc., versus it just being embedded. Just adding insult to notification pop-up injury in my view.
I also find it hilarious that Apple went out of their way to make all these changes and talk about how detail oriented they are, and they are, but they are still doubling down on those awful orange and purple icons in the menu bar when an app is using your audio and or video, instead of the little dots which would have been enough.
This is very much a form over function update. Some people are comparing the pushback and complaints of Tahoe with the newness of OS X when it was first introduced, and that is a gigantic false equivalency. I was there too. It's not all bad, of course, but despite Apple's efforts of forcing cohesion between OSs, which is wrong in my view as an OS should be tailored to the devices it's running on, Tahoe is ironically lacking cohesion within itself, in a weird way.
I guess I'll get used to it, but as of this moment, wow. It’s a lot. The super rounded corners with radiuses that are kind of aligned, but not really. It’s kind of suffocating, not to sound dramatic, but some UI elements feel claustrophobic, hard to explain. Going back to Sequoia on my mac Mini (which hasn’t been updated yet) feels like a polished OS with a cohesive and more logical design compared to Tahoe.
There are a lot of elements that look and feel just so gratuitous. There is an overall unpolished feeling to Tahoe, one that I've never experienced with macOS before, at least not to this degree, and no, it's not due to it being new. And I am not sure if this is a 'wait for point releases' issue, I think that this is how Apple wants macOS to look and behave.
There are some design elements that feel unnatural, but exist for some kind of forced continuity despite some applications of said elements not making sense. And there are several apps that feel like they are made up of empty templates like Contacts, Phone, etc., which look unfinished. The UI shouldn't rely on user photos/images to look complete.
There's also a lot of odd placements of things in various apps, and as expected, the Music app is still a disaster, and the play/control bar sitting over songs just to show off the liquid glass when there is a gigantic sea of blank space above every playlist is beyond irritating. The control bar looks like you can move it, and you feel compelled to grab it and do so, but of course, Apple had the audacity to once again say, ‘nope, this is where it will stay, and we think you’re gonna love it!’
How about those notification and pop up windows with left aligned icons and text? Was this actually intentional? Another change for the sake of change, or a bug? Shocking how they kept the same notification functionality where you have make an unnecessary additional step to reveal a button to 'allow’, etc., versus it just being embedded. Just adding insult to notification pop-up injury in my view.
I also find it hilarious that Apple went out of their way to make all these changes and talk about how detail oriented they are, and they are, but they are still doubling down on those awful orange and purple icons in the menu bar when an app is using your audio and or video, instead of the little dots which would have been enough.
This is very much a form over function update. Some people are comparing the pushback and complaints of Tahoe with the newness of OS X when it was first introduced, and that is a gigantic false equivalency. I was there too. It's not all bad, of course, but despite Apple's efforts of forcing cohesion between OSs, which is wrong in my view as an OS should be tailored to the devices it's running on, Tahoe is ironically lacking cohesion within itself, in a weird way.
I guess I'll get used to it, but as of this moment, wow. It’s a lot. The super rounded corners with radiuses that are kind of aligned, but not really. It’s kind of suffocating, not to sound dramatic, but some UI elements feel claustrophobic, hard to explain. Going back to Sequoia on my mac Mini (which hasn’t been updated yet) feels like a polished OS with a cohesive and more logical design compared to Tahoe.
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It is funny because if I went to the alternatives to Mac hardware forum and talked badly about MacOS I would get a lot of people arguing in defense of Apple yet when I come to the Apple specific forums it is all good and doom??
I take a step back and look at all of the behavior in aggregate and I have seen this type of behavior over and over again when there are any major changes in an OS. I mention that and then there are tons of insults and justifications why they don't like the change specifically yet the behavior is avoidant to change. I don't know what else would explain for such a reaction across platforms and years to any drastic changes in software.
Of course no one here is upset about the fact that the GUI has dramatically changed.
Let me ask this in all honesty. If all of the UI misalignments or any other bugs people may be experiencing didn't exist would this thread still be mostly negative?? I think you know the answer would be yes. It doesn't matter what the change is. It is the fact the change is dramatic and that is unsettling. A feeling of unsettling or fear comes up unconsciously due to the graphic changes that cause incongreguity in brain function. This means the brain has to relearn basic functions and the brain doesn't like that. If you realize this happening inside of you, you can then take this feeling and embrace it and look at it as if you were a child seeing this interface for the first time with awe and curiousness instead of dread and fear of the unknown. Personally I feel this is what is happening to explain for threads like these.
Otherwise why do people have such an emotional response to something that should be exciting and fun?? Most people look forward to updates because it refreshes their device and that is how I feel about this update using a 3 year old plus M2 MBA it feels almost like I have a new Mac and I like that??? I guess I am just an odd ball.......Lol
I feel the same when all the Apple cultists cope with criticism of their infallible favorite company.
"This is very much a form over function update. Some people are comparing the pushback and complaints of Tahoe with the newness of OS X when it was first introduced, and that is a gigantic false equivalency. I was there too. It's not all bad, of course, but despite Apple's efforts of forcing cohesion between OSs, which is wrong in my view as an OS should be tailored to the devices it's running on, Tahoe is ironically lacking cohesion within itself, in a weird way."
I completely disagree. Cohesion between devices is a good thing and iOS and iPadOS and MacOS are all tailored for device specific use cases?? Having settings look the same across devices is a good thing. Having the OS between devices feel very similar is also good for efficiency which people are complaining about in this release.
It is a process and Apple has been working on more cohesion between devices for years now starting in MacOS settings years ago. This seems in line with Apple design philosophy to me?
How many Windows release were simply half baked GUI overhauls with little change underneath to the OS for decades!!
I am not defending this as I already said that all platforms have a problem with bloat and lack of performance improvements in each new release. It is a wide practice. It is also a part of the process. The first thing you change is the GUI then you make changes under the hood. I am sure Apple will be adding functionality changes as they mature Tahoe.
I completely disagree. Cohesion between devices is a good thing and iOS and iPadOS and MacOS are all tailored for device specific use cases?? Having settings look the same across devices is a good thing. Having the OS between devices feel very similar is also good for efficiency which people are complaining about in this release.
It is a process and Apple has been working on more cohesion between devices for years now starting in MacOS settings years ago. This seems in line with Apple design philosophy to me?
How many Windows release were simply half baked GUI overhauls with little change underneath to the OS for decades!!
I am not defending this as I already said that all platforms have a problem with bloat and lack of performance improvements in each new release. It is a wide practice. It is also a part of the process. The first thing you change is the GUI then you make changes under the hood. I am sure Apple will be adding functionality changes as they mature Tahoe.
I think it’s more than that. I suspect it’s part of the zeitgeist. It’s just the era we’re living in now. Society is polarising and getting angrier, and that spills out here too.
Ah yes, we’re Apple cultists because we don’t hate hard enough! Tell me. How hard do I have to hate Apple for me not to be a cultist? I don’t like the their soldering their SSDs in Macs, making them non-upgradable, although I can tolerate the RAM being integrated. I don’t like the exorbitant upgrade process either. Is that enough to save me from being a cultist?
I criticize all companies equally but I feel like this forum is either to apologetic to Apple or overly hateful of Apple and not much in between??
If I point out something I like about what Apple is doing why is that a big deal?? If I point something I hate about Apple like the fricken back arrow in iOS/iPad OS and a lot more I get hated on. I remember saying the autoboot function was terrible and I had a several page thread with most people telling me why I was wrong for simply wanting a toggle switch to turn it off. I could go on and on.
How about we say all companies make mistakes and you are only as good as the last product you made. Why don't we say all for profit companies like Apple have one goal in mind which is profit above the well being of its users. Why don't we say there are NO moral companies since profit motivates amoral behavior. I am not arguing against capitalism as I am a firm believer in free trade and profit. I am saying people get hooked on tag lines and moral positions a company may adopt in order to increase profit. If people understand all companies are only motivated in increasing profit then tribalism will die away. Now we have too much tribalism in all areas of Western society. Nothing makes me angrier than false moral positions held by for profit companies. I don't want to know anything personal from any company. I don't want to know what your politics are. I don't want to know what your environmental standpoint is when the products you create are inherently bad for the environment. Making products basically unrepairable and unupgradable is something at odds with being environmentally friendly.
That's because Apple isn't really focused on MacOS anymore. It's an afterthought.
and this is based on what source of information? or is it how you 'feel' about it?
meanwhile, my macbook is running beautifully, a testament to the new OS (and the hardware of course). perfect? of course not, it never really is (hence the endless updates).
the OS runs my main apps, logic pro and final cut really well. hmm the OS doesn't seem like an afterthought to me 🤔
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