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Do you like the MacOS Ventura System settings? [MERGED]

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...the fudge is this? There's literally an entire column's worth of free space on the right hand side 😂
 
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galad said:
Because this was so much better:View attachment 2015398Seriously, the new Settings app is not perfect, but if you want to criticise it at least put some effort.
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Effort? Apple has literally just redesigned an important user interface, where they had the chance to increase usability. All you've done is highlighted part of the problem, that being a lack of consistency.
 
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For a reasoned walkthrough of design issues (not obvious bugs) have a read of Why Ventura system Settings is bad. To my mind that is a good analysis of design issues. It includes:

"It's been brought to my attention that the new System Settings violates Apple's Human Interface Guidelines, which were just updated. "Avoid using a switch to control a single detail or a minor setting." "In general, don't replace a checkbox with a switch." "Use a checkbox instead of a switch if you need to present a hierarchy of settings.""

I do think that System Preferences needed a rewrite, but the changes look like they were designed by an iPad developer (one that was not aware of Apple's HID for Mac)

Now might be good time to tell Apple what is wrong at the design level.
 
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I posted this in the Little Things thread, but figured it'd be worth a re-post here.

I really do think Apple intended to find a compromise between iOS Settings and the old System Preferences, but unfortunately, they went mostly with iOS elements for System Settings, down to the organization structure and sliders. The way things are presented in iOS makes sense, because they're fit for a smaller screen footprint and simple finger scrolling, and most settings are simplified and "dumbed down", but in macOS, settings are much more complex and require far more visualization, which the old System Preferences happily provided in a way that was easy on the eyes. In other words, Apple tried too hard to apply what was "tried and true" in iOS/iPadOS and applied them to a much larger, more complex OS designed for computers. As a result, sub-menus with more complex settings are too textual and heavy on the eyes. The UI is too simple, too bland to offer the flexibility that System Preferences once offered. And the sliders, don't even get me started. They honestly just don't belong on the Mac, and fly in the face of Apple's own Human Interface Guidelines for the Mac. Yes, System Preferences was dated and had issues of its own, but I'd say it worked overall pretty well.

Apple really shouldn't have tried an one-size-fits-all concept here; it's lazy and downright insulting to the Mac platform. News.app, Stocks.app, Home.app, etc being simplified and iOS-like is one thing, but System Settings deserve better, IMHO.

I would say, in the spirit of compromise, the organizational structure is good. An easy way to fix this would be to tweak it so that things are more clearly categorized and better sized, and to bring back the trackpad demos (and other visuals). Those were the pinnacle of Apple simplicity and their old "easy to understand/use" philosophy. Perhaps category text should be bigger and more prominent, and perhaps more icons.

I know there's a way Apple can make this work — bringing the simplicity of iOS settings to the Mac to help unfamiliar users be better acquainted with the OS, while keeping Mac settings rich in context and the UI more Mac-like, more user friendly. My hope is that determined and clear feedback will trickle up during the beta process, similar to the Safari debacle last year.

You can tell I'm passionate about this! 😅
 
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the8thark said:
Do you like the MacOS Ventura System settings?
Or do you prefer them as they are now?

Personally I am not a fan of Apple iOS-ifying MacOS but what are your thoughts?

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Does that mean I can set an alarm on my MacBook Air M1 with Ventura?
Does anyone know if I would be able to run shortcuts to enable when I plug in my MacBook to charge it would say charging my MacBook Air ? Such as is this case I have set up a shortcut on my
iPhone 12 to do just that ?
 
galad said:
Because this was so much better:View attachment 2015398Seriously, the new Settings app is not perfect, but if you want to criticise it at least put some effort.
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The new settings app is better in this case, as you don’t need to scroll the list. Not saying it’s perfect, but there are better examples of where it needs work (the Trackpad pane being one of them).
 
In Light Mode it looks alright. No idea why my eyes are tricked to not like it in Dark Mode.

Time Machine and Storage information should be on its own panel.

All Mouse, Pointer, Trackpad options should be on its own panel. Same in iOS where it is all mixed and jumbled up eveerywhere.
 
halledise said:
the chaps (and chap ladies/ binary whatevers) at 1 infinite loop are forgetting the mac basics.
stage manager?
gimme a break.
us old farts tend to use command+tab to switch between apps.
or the 5 finger sweep out to reveal the desktop.
and so forth.
methinks graig federichi and co are trying to reinvent the wheel with 'ventura'.
that said, the Johny Shrouji dude is the bomb!
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Don't forget the back tab with app switching, so you don't have to cycle all the way back around it you miss. CMD-SHIFT-TAB
 
greenmeanie said:
Reminds me of UBUNTU/gnome/settings
Just another idea apple stole from others.
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wait; so every idea apple (or, for that matter, google, or microsoft et al) has had isn't 100% original? because i've noticed lots of similarities between OSes, devices... tvs, cars. appliances. etc etc.

this proves that gap has stolen ideas from h&m, as the pants i just bought from gap also has 2 legs... 🤔
 
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I was a bit worried at first, but in reality it’s much nicer than expected. Clear, concise and things are easier to find than before. Thumbs up from me.
 
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halledise said:
the chaps (and chap ladies/ binary whatevers) at 1 infinite loop are forgetting the mac basics.
stage manager?
gimme a break.
us old farts tend to use command+tab to switch between apps.
or the 5 finger sweep out to reveal the desktop.
and so forth.
methinks graig federichi and co are trying to reinvent the wheel with 'ventura'.
that said, the Johny Shrouji dude is the bomb!
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Funny, your comments just have shown that Apple actually got it right. For old farts there are already many things that work....so you are not the use case for Stage Manager.
People new to Apple and/or less technically inclined will probably love Stage Manager.
Always keep in mind that you are not always the target audience!
 
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In my eyes (old fart) it is a huge improvement. The UI design makes sense and I can finally find things quickly as they seem to be more logically organised.
 
The great thing about Mac OS Classic 7-8-9 was you can put a system preference control panel anywhere you want. You could keep them in one folder, you can open more than one at the same time, you can keep one on the Desktop if you need to change settings like color profiles frequently.
 
tmoerel said:
Funny, your comments just have shown that Apple actually got it right. For old farts there are already many things that work....so you are not the use case for Stage Manager.
People new to Apple and/or less technically inclined will probably love Stage Manager.
Always keep in mind that you are not always the target audience!
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your temerity is understandable.
some of us have been using macs since the days of system 7.
and we know a pig when we see it ;)
now all ventura needs is a bit of lipstick.
monterey is fine …🤠
 
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I like it - it will be much easier to use rather then having to go back and forwards.
Saying that I still wont be upgrading - decided a few years back to stick with the OS that my system comes with rather then live with issues and bugs that come with each Apple release nowadays. So my current M1 Max has Monterey, which I will stick with for a few years now.
 
Ifti said:
I like it - it will be much easier to use rather then having to go back and forwards.
Saying that I still wont be upgrading - decided a few years back to stick with the OS that my system comes with rather then live with issues and bugs that come with each Apple release nowadays. So my current M1 Max has Monterey, which I will stick with for a few years now.
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I understand where you are coming from, but at least consider evaluating Ventura on a separate partition for your need before committing to this decision. It's a stability-focused release, with Apple having rewritten many apps in Swift and improved other key areas.
 
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Whether or not we like the new Settings, the change does seem to be the end for some apps which use a Preference Pane for preferences/settings. I am assuming that apps with active developers (e.g. Chronosync Agent) will be updated before release data. But it is likely the end of the road for others (e.g. Hyperdock). Right now I have 5 apps using Preference Panes (Hyperdock, ChronoAgent, GPG Suite, Java and macFUSE).
 
the8thark said:
Do you like the MacOS Ventura System settings?
Or do you prefer them as they are now?

Personally I am not a fan of Apple iOS-ifying MacOS but what are your thoughts?

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Eh, could have been worse, those icons could have been all monochromatic, like in Finder

Personally not a fan, old layout had everything in one place without scrolling, but seems like people like more to scroll with their fingers than their eyes
 
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