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Does Anyone Else Think the New Apple TV will Be HUGE?
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It will be huge. Apple could box up iPoop and probably sell it in huge volume. 
(I'm barely joking there)
The app store is huge by itself. Even if Apple would continue to treat it as a "hobby" internally, unleashing third-party developers will deliver utility and enjoyment we can't even imagine today. They'll make it huge.
(I'm barely joking there)The app store is huge by itself. Even if Apple would continue to treat it as a "hobby" internally, unleashing third-party developers will deliver utility and enjoyment we can't even imagine today. They'll make it huge.
Huge difference in terms of games. The Apple TV only has an A8 (not X) to begin with, so an A9X would bring roughly double the CPU and more importantly GPU power. A well-optimized game could squeeze more power than you'd think out of that chip.
Like I said, it will make iOS game run better.
Whether its A8, A8X, or A9X, its not a dedicated GPU chip like what most people want to compare it too (games from Xbox One and PS4). Honestly, probably the iPad has better specs than the Wii U.
No matter how well you optimize a game, the new Apple TV just simply doesn't have enough specs to run the games people are hoping it can.
Like Crossy Roads game that they demoed. I'm sorry, but I don't think there will be any gamer who currently owns a gaming console look at that and say, "This is the future of gaming", sell their console and go buy a new Apple TV.
I think Apple recognizes and therefore is focusing more on apps than games which is the opposite of what the big three (Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony) do. I mean I can watch Netflix on my Xbox One app. It probably won't be as good as an app than the new Apple TV. But there's no way in hell, the Apple TV will ever be even remotely capable of running games like Witcher 3, MGSV, Tomb Raider, etc. with the A8X.
At least at this rate mobile GPU technology will come close to the performance of desktop-class GPUs within the next decade assuming the industry keeps improving at the current rate.
This may sound crazy but I do believe the iPad Pro at least could efficiently run some Xbox One ports assuming a developer was willing to take the time. Not all games would port over but the A8/A9X is at least ahead of the 360/PS3 and catching up to the current-generation even though it's not there.
The iPad Pro doesn't have the specs...
You keep on using assumptions, possibilities, theoretical.
In actuality, nothing Apple released today has the specs necessary to compare remotely with actual gaming consoles of today's market.
Connect via HDMI to TV and use the TV's Optical Out? That's what I do do all my devices plugged into the telly.
I think the app store, and it's extensive developers, will make it huge. I'll be waiting to see how it pans out before I buy, though.
Absolutely, it's not going to replace a PS4 or Xbox One. But Apple could establish its own corner of the market like the original Wii did while also releasing some current-gen comparable games. Right now ports aren't too important.
Did you hear that Apple was bidding for the "Top Gear" brits? Apple is going into content creation (TV shows and movies like Netflix). I see people complaining that the gaming will be mediocre. Well "Metal" lets the game app talk directly to the chip and provides faster performance than you'd think. Maybe not totally console, but it looks close from what they showed. But, not ultra fast gaming like in a dedicate rig or console. Not that anyone was expecting that anyway.
If you like the cable subscription model, you'll have to wait. Personally, I could care less. My favorite shows are purchased as seasons on iTunes and have no commercials. $20 ea. 1 time purchase. I dropped cable because I was hilariously just getting crappy full frame SD quality feed basic cable for $85/month 4 years back (HD was extra!!!). I now have Netflix, Hulu and my HD iTunes purchases plus YouTube, etc. and I'm still saving a boatload. Phooey on the old cable subscription.
My cord was cut and I was born into a better TV experience for what I want. ATV 4 will only make it better.
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I doubt that's the case. They simply didn't want to highlight an existing feature. If it is true it would be a no go for me as well.
It will be huge. Apple could box up iPoop and probably sell it in huge volume.
The app store is huge by itself. Even if Apple would continue to treat it as a "hobby" internally, unleashing third-party developers will deliver utility and enjoyment we can't even imagine today. They'll make it huge.
No offense HobeSoundDarryl, because I'm not talking to you, but are people here that jaded about this latest event There was plenty to get excited about.
Apple TV came into it's own and looks to be updated along with their regular products now. iPad Pro is like a portable PC in power and just might compete with the Cintiq for illustrators and designers too. 3D touch and a refined iPhone camera, and so on. There was plenty of innovation that was showcased.
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It should be huge-ish.
It allows non Americans to have a single SVOD STB.
Gaming will be cool, iPad gamers will play on a large screen.
Wont affect PS and Xbox at all, they are serious consoles.
Apple TV will be a capable and a device that has multiple real uses.
I stream nearly every music I hear at home from my iPhone to my Apple TV and so to my receiver. I don't want to have the TV running when it's not necessary.
Off course, modern receivers have HDMI Input for audio, but I don't want to buy a new receiver for 1000€ or so just because I upgraded my Apple TV.
Maybe a HDMI to SPDFI Converter / Splitter will do the job ...
Most adults don't "game" to begin with. Yes, many will play small app games on their smartphones or tablets, but they are not going to play games on the TV. Most adults have families, kids, etc. This doesn't happen. And, if a person does game already they already own an XBOX or Playstation. They are not going to buy an Apple TV for gaming.
Overall, Apple TV was suppose to bridge the gap between no TV and the cable bundles. If I can't watch my local channels along with about 10 cable channels via Apple TV there is no use for me. The only items I see the box performing is streaming Hulu and Netflix, but I can do that already without the need of an Apple TV. Most DVRs and gaming consoles have Hulu and Netflix already built into the device.
Plenty of adults do "game".
I'm in my 50's and I game on Xbox online and Apple app games on my TV through AirPlay using my iPhone or iPad with a Bluetooth controller by MadCatz. Been gaming on computers since I was 15, and no I'm no computer nerd. Most of my adult friends game too.
I will use every new feature of the new Apple TV and I welcome it. Especially the gaming. Did you see the gaming demo yesterday!? It was awesome!!
Sounds like you don't really want the next Gen TV devices, but the Apple TV will sell well to many, many people.
I'm in my 50's and I game on Xbox online and Apple app games on my TV through AirPlay using my iPhone or iPad with a Bluetooth controller by MadCatz. Been gaming on computers since I was 15, and no I'm no computer nerd. Most of my adult friends game too.
I will use every new feature of the new Apple TV and I welcome it. Especially the gaming. Did you see the gaming demo yesterday!? It was awesome!!
Sounds like you don't really want the next Gen TV devices, but the Apple TV will sell well to many, many people.
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Hankster, you're partly right. Family life doesn't really afford me much time to play games, although I enjoy certain genres (racing simulations, strategy). As a result I play some games on my phone when I have a bit of time. Often while on break at work. However, if I could advance in those same games by playing on my tv occassionally, that is a "system seller" for me. All other functionality aside.
This is going to be huge. Apps will make the Apple TV a standout in the way a smartphone compares to a standard mobile phone. Even before you weigh the "phone" functionality (in this case TV programming).
This is going to be huge. Apps will make the Apple TV a standout in the way a smartphone compares to a standard mobile phone. Even before you weigh the "phone" functionality (in this case TV programming).
It took several years for Apple to figure out that 720p wasn't just going to cut it and then upgraded the ATV to 1080p. But they are far behind the curve when it comes to the pending transition to 4K. True, not all 4K sets in people's homes have the right connectors, but a substantial number of these sets can be upgraded with firmware updates or through out-board additions (such as the One Connect Box upgrade for Samsung sets). These upgrades include HDMI2.0/HDCP2.2. Couldn't have Apple provided 4K streaming capability anyway or at least make the new ATV firmware upgradeable? As it stands now, I have zero interest in the new ATV. Oh, and I do have a question. Is the new ATV OS backwards compatible with existing ATV's (third generation)?
How do you know it isn't?
That's a nice contradiction there. The fact you care about the new ATV OS being compatible with the older ATV3 means you have a greater than zero interest in the new ATV.
No, this will sell like the prior ATV. There is no features that a Roku, Amazon, Chrome, etc user would jump ship for.
With that being said, I am excited for the new ATV.
With that being said, I am excited for the new ATV.
No doubt it is 'better', the gaming aspect looks promising but I already have a Playstation 3 and a Playstation 4, and an iPad and an iPhone, so gaming is covered by 4 devices already!
I really do hope all my iTunes Movies and TV Shows tagged using iDentify work from a metadata perspective, and also it still allows Home Sharing from iTunes running on PowerPC Macs.
I really do hope all my iTunes Movies and TV Shows tagged using iDentify work from a metadata perspective, and also it still allows Home Sharing from iTunes running on PowerPC Macs.
I intend on buying one primarily due to access to the App Store and what that brings. Second reason is integration with my Apple hardware & services. Streaming tv services are a far distant third or fifth reason for my interest.
I don't see how a competing product can fill this type of intended usage. If so, I probably would have purchased it already.
There's tons of great educational apps for kids on the app store. I see the ATV making it a more family centric experience, rather than child head down in iThing.