iPhone X Does anyone prefer a great LCD screen over OLED?

[puma1552]

This whole thing about OLED blowing away LCD is in people's heads, because Apple builds them all to the same specs, regardless of screen technology.

625 nits brightness, P3 gamut, 6500K white point. LCD or OLED, they get those same specs.

Minus pixel density and better blacks on OLED, Apple's displays all look the same, because they are designed and intended to.

These OLED vs. LCD threads have gotten old, because people just continue to ignore objective facts. Literally nothing except black levels is a result of the screen technology itself.

 

[davedvdy]

Literally nothing except black levels is a result of the screen technology itself.

This is an inaccurate statement, since the LCD iPhones do not fully support HDR (High Dynamic Range) content.
The contrast ratio is much more significant, so that supports much more than just "black levels", a common
myth on this forum.

It's a pretty noticeable difference for those viewing that type of content that supports that format.
For those that don't care, then it doesn't matter to the individual, of course.

 

[I7guy]

This whole thing about OLED blowing away LCD is in people's heads, because Apple builds them all to the same specs, regardless of screen technology.

625 nits brightness, P3 gamut, 6500K white point. LCD or OLED, they get those same specs.

Minus pixel density and better blacks on OLED, Apple's displays all look the same, because they are designed and intended to.

These OLED vs. LCD threads have gotten old, because people just continue to ignore objective facts. Literally nothing except black levels is a result of the screen technology itself.

Objectively the contrast ratio of the XR lcd panel is 1400 to one. The XS and Max, 1,000,000 to 1. So there's that.

 

[puma1552]

Objectively the contrast ratio of the XR lcd panel is 1400 to one. The XS and Max, 1,000,000 to 1. So there's that.

True, I'll give you that, but in real world how much difference does it really make? You're also still limited to P3 gamut so it's not like it can be super contrasty and color-poppy anyway.

 

[darksithpro]

Its strange, Samsung and other manufactures have been using OLED displays for years and I never once heard anyone mention PWM. Now that apple has OLED displays all these posts about people getting headaches are popping up.

Or perhaps they are using that as an excuse to justify paying 800 dollars for a phone that still uses an LCD screen when almost all the other competition has gone to OLED at less cost. What better way to make yourself feel better then to post it's even better than OLED, because of saturation and PWM issues.

 

[bobmepp]

I have the iPhone X and I just feel colors seem too saturated at times. Like, its too much color if that makes sense. Green grass is soooo GREEN, like super green sometimes. Just as an example.

I am accustomed to using a calibrated LCD/LED computer display with my Mac Pro, and to my eyes, OLED seems over saturated. I try to avoid such over-saturation in my photo prints, as it makes them look garish, like overdone HDR processing. In fact, I rarely use HDR in photo post, other than as restrained tone mapping. That's why I'm still happy with my 6s+ phone, and am glad that Apple brought out the XR, which I will be in the market for used or as a prior model in a year or so.

 

[I7guy]

True, I'll give you that, but in real world how much difference does it really make? You're also still limited to P3 gamut so it's not like it can be super contrasty and color-poppy anyway.

It's up to the individual to decide how much difference there is. Granted much depends on the environmental lighting: ie. direct sunlight vs dark room. But some may find Dolby Vision and HDR10 support useful.
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Or perhaps they are using that as an excuse to justify paying 800 dollars for a phone that still uses an LCD screen when almost all the other competition has gone to OLED at less cost. What better way to make yourself feel better then to post it's even better than OLED, because of saturation and PWM issues.

According to ifixit, Samsung is king of PWM and I used the s8 for a little while and the oled screen gave me a headache. I don't get a headache with the max. That's my anecdotal experience, but ifiixit has the equipment to back that up.

One can determine for themselves if the phones that cost less than $800 that have oled are worth the price. Simply making a blanket statement is ignoring what an individual may want out of an iphone vs an android phone. But it was true that apple lcds are better calibrated than some oled screens.

 

[Act3]

This is an inaccurate statement, since the LCD iPhones do not support HDR (High Dynamic Range) content.
The contrast ratio is much more significant, so that supports much more than just "black levels", a common
myth on this forum.

It's a pretty noticeable difference for those viewing that type of content that supports that format.
For those that don't care, then it doesn't matter to the individual, of course.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207949#what_content

 

[tt061282]

I prefer the “liquid” Retina display of the Xʀ over the XS or X. I know I’m I. The “minority” but it’s just me...

 

[Act3]

IMO, The Lcd promotion display on the iPads blows away their oled displays even with the lower ppi

 

[I7guy]

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207949#what_content

 

[davedvdy]

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207949#what_content

The XR uses faux HDR, otherwise known as dithering.

"if you’d like to watch HDR the way it’s meant to be watched, you’ll need an iPhone X/XS/Max, period".


Check out:

https://www.idownloadblog.com/2018/10/23/iphone-xr-hdr-display/

 

[Analog Kid]

Objectively the contrast ratio of the XR lcd panel is 1400 to one. The XS and Max, 1,000,000 to 1. So there's that.

These numbers are 0 lux ambient measurements. That's kind of like specifying the weight without the battery. In a lit room, the contrast ratio is essentially the same (about 160) because screen reflections wash out the blacks.

DisplayMate doesn't have LCD tests more recent than the iPhone 7, but its diffuse reflections are slightly lower than the XSMax. The iPad Pro 9.7" seemed to be the best display tested when it comes to reflections.

http://www.displaymate.com/iPhoneXS_ShootOut_1s.htm
http://www.displaymate.com/iPhone7_ShootOut_1.htm
http://www.displaymate.com/iPad_Pro9_ShootOut_1.htm

 

[I7guy]

These numbers are 0 lux ambient measurements. That's kind of like specifying the weight without the battery. In a lit room, the contrast ratio is essentially the same (about 160) because screen reflections wash out the blacks.

DisplayMate doesn't have LCD tests more recent than the iPhone 7, but its diffuse reflections are slightly lower than the XSMax. The iPad Pro 9.7" seemed to be the best display tested when it comes to reflections.

http://www.displaymate.com/iPhoneXS_ShootOut_1s.htm
http://www.displaymate.com/iPhone7_ShootOut_1.htm
http://www.displaymate.com/iPad_Pro9_ShootOut_1.htm

To summarize: in a suitably lit room, Apple Oled displays have a better contrast ratio the Apple lcds. I did say that exact thing a few posts up, that the viewing depends on the environmental lighting. Not in your words though.

 

[1rottenapple]

In image quality, OLED is superior in every way. Case closed.


LCDs pros over OLED are of technical nature. Possible burn in, causing eye fatigue in some people, higher battery drain in some cases...etc.


I would choose OLED over LCD any day. I love eye candy.

I think OP is asking for personal preference not about which is superior. I agree OLED is superior of course blah blah blah.

 

[Brandonjr36]

I’m a hugh OLED fan. But not with apple. I had the iPhone X I sold it and now I’m using an iPhone 6s Plus TIL the galaxy s10 comes out. I feel like the lcd on the 6s+ is nicer or just as nice as the X. And that is cause apple doesn’t give us a premium product if you ask me anyway. I mean look at the note 9 for instance. The screen on that vs the XS maxx, they are night and day difference. It just seems like apple holds back on everything and that is the very reason I’ll be getting the s10 in March when it comes out over another iPhone. The X screen resolution is very low for an OLED!!

 

[maxjohnson2]

I prefer IPS. The subpixel arrangement of IPS make the pixels sharper, which you can tell the difference with human eyes. IPS to me is more color accurate. There is a long time debate or myth that AMOLED display have longer battery life because the blacks don't light up. From my personal experience IPS display phones tend to have longer battery life. I like AMOLED just fine though. There's no arguing it has deeper blacks and excel in viewing angle.

I’m a hugh OLED fan. But not with apple. I had the iPhone X I sold it and now I’m using an iPhone 6s Plus TIL the galaxy s10 comes out. I feel like the lcd on the 6s+ is nicer or just as nice as the X. And that is cause apple doesn’t give us a premium product if you ask me anyway. I mean look at the note 9 for instance. The screen on that vs the XS maxx, they are night and day difference. It just seems like apple holds back on everything and that is the very reason I’ll be getting the s10 in March when it comes out over another iPhone. The X screen resolution is very low for an OLED!!

Well iPhone XS Max display is produced by Samsung. The Note9 screen is higher resolution and higher pixel density. It's not so much that Apple is holding back, but it's been long rumored or understood that Samsung use their latest screen tech on their most current device first before giving it out to competition.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I’m a hugh OLED fan. But not with apple. I had the iPhone X I sold it and now I’m using an iPhone 6s Plus TIL the galaxy s10 comes out. I feel like the lcd on the 6s+ is nicer or just as nice as the X. And that is cause apple doesn’t give us a premium product if you ask me anyway. I mean look at the note 9 for instance. The screen on that vs the XS maxx, they are night and day difference. It just seems like apple holds back on everything and that is the very reason I’ll be getting the s10 in March when it comes out over another iPhone. The X screen resolution is very low for an OLED!!

Not sure about display mate’s rankings but I took some pictures of my baby on my Xs max the other day and sent them to my husband on his note 8. When I saw the same picture on his note 8 they looked better. On the Xs max they kind of looked dull and muted but on his note 8 they looked vibrant and punchy. Admittedly they looked more pleasing to the eye on his note 8. It does suck being stuck at 1080p in YouTube on my Xs max, iPad Pro and iPad mini 4. Samsung phones and tablets from as far back as 2014 can do 1440p on YouTube.
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I prefer IPS. The subpixel arrangement of IPS make the pixels sharper, which you can tell the difference with human eyes. IPS to me is more color accurate. There is a long time debate or myth that AMOLED display have longer battery life because the blacks don't light up. From my personal experience IPS display phones tend to have longer battery life. I like AMOLED just fine though. There's no arguing it has deeper blacks and excel in viewing angle.


Well iPhone XS Max display is produced by Samsung. The Note9 screen is higher resolution and higher pixel density. It's not so much that Apple is holding back, but it's been long rumored or understood that Samsung use their latest screen tech on their most current device first before giving it out to competition.

This much was said when we knew that Samsung were making the screens for the X and then the display mate ranking put the X above the note 8. Maybe it comes down to preference but my husband’s note 8 display seems better than my Xs max display. However I’ve always had a thing for Samsung displays. For me Apple’s displays have always been nice but Samsung’s have always been amazing.

 

[davedvdy]

Well iPhone XS Max display is produced by Samsung. The Note9 screen is higher resolution and higher pixel density. It's not so much that Apple is holding back, but it's been long rumored or understood that Samsung use their latest screen tech on their most current device first before giving it out to competition.

Samsung manufacturers the displays to Apple's specifications (LG is slated as well), but it still has Apple's own patented tech inside of it.
Apple's burn in mitigations are far superior to Samsung's own displays in testing, as well as their out of the box color calibration (QC issues aside). Both Displaymate and Tom's Guide dethroned the Note 9 for the XS Max for that reason, even though the Note 9 does have a sharper screen. I think some prefer Samsung's screens cause the color will probably pop more, but it's technically oversaturated by default.

The Google Pixel 3XL technically has the best display according to Displaymate, but the Samsung S10 might take over from there.
I agree w/Shanghaichica that it sucks about Youtube capping out at 1080p, that is their own limit set. We should be able to select 1440p and it would just down res from there, but they gimp it for whatever reason.

 

[MacLappy]

Generally I prefer LCD to OLED. For some reason OLED seem too vivid to me.

Some times when I am looking at a 4k OLED TV it feels like it takes a lot more effort to just look at the screen compared to a 1080P LCD TV. Could be the pixel density too, personally I have no idea what is causing this. Also staring at screens like that for awhile(couple of mins), makes me feel like there is a small grain of sand poking against my eyeball. Like the screen is too sharp, so sharp it hurts.

The main reason I bought the iPhone XR is because it came in the colour blue, having said that I must add I am actually very happy with the screen, it looks sharp and colour reproduction looks great. It’s easy on my eyes, I can look at the screen the whole day without feeling tired. I love how the screen looks with true tone on, in the sense that colours on the screen always look “right” in my eyes and somehow feels less harsh. So far it’s been the best screen I ever had.

 

[Jetcat3]

Put a Note 9 in basic mode and it will look EXACTLY like the XS Max, except the XS Max can crank the brightness all the way up to 660 nits which the Note 9 can only do in with auto brightness enabled in high ambient lightning such as outside. And it can very beteeen sRGB and P3 color gamuts on the fly which the Note 9 cannot. No True Tone either. That’s a huge advantage between these too.

I’m not sure what’s really happening with these threads to be honest. To call these OLED’s more or less the same as their LCD friends is shocking haha. 1,000,000:1 vs 1400:1. Wow, that is a HUGE difference! This is easily visible in comparison especially in dark room. The contrast difference punches you in the face!

Not only that, but the XS and XS Max are some of the most color accurate displays ever measured out of the box. Yes, I get the PWM sensitivities and potential issues but I thought more users would appreciate Samsung Display’s perfectly tuned AMOLED’s on these phones.

 

[Act3]

The XR uses faux HDR, otherwise known as dithering.

"if you’d like to watch HDR the way it’s meant to be watched, you’ll need an iPhone X/XS/Max, period".


Check out:

https://www.idownloadblog.com/2018/10/23/iphone-xr-hdr-display/

Understood. But the post I was replying to says that only the OLED support HDR. That statement is not true.

 

[I7guy]

Understood. But the post I was replying to says that only the OLED support HDR. That statement is not true.

If the word support is changed to “display properly” than it is true.

 

[kargurin]

Even TV manufacturers have abandoned LCDs. When I replaced my plasma TV last year I came very close to pulling the trigger on an LG OLED but was a bit weary of long term burn in.....so I opted for a Sony LED. Pic is outstanding but not as nice as OLED. LCD served its purpose in the early years of flat panel but an old old technology. No such thing as a 'great' LCD screen IMO.

 

[Jimmy James]

I very much prefer a good LCD over OLED. There are two reasons, PWM at the frequency used in OLED displays give me migraines and headaches, and longevity of the display.

Me too. It seems the world is prepared to disregard both longevity and well being for the best experience. Shame.