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iPhones are computers. For the entire history of computers, of all types from all manufacturers, the pace of software and hardware development has led to obsolescance after a few years. It is part of Moore's Law, first observed in 1965, and still relevant today; although the pace has slowed recently.

Apple doesn't need to damage their reputation by installing "malware". They will sell plenty of phones anyway.
 
iOS updates aren’t malware if you like. They’re worse than malware.
I just explained to you what constitutes a malware. What you or I like is irrelevant here.

You’re buying an iPhone which needs an iOS to boot into and you’re complaining about not being able to skip that step? It’d just be an over-expensive paperweight without it.
Your definition of malware is incorrect. You can’t cherry-pick parts of it to make your point. Not how it works.

You’re saying it’s deliberate, I say it’s a combination of physics and not being fully optimized. Let’s move on.
 
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From what I read lately the iPhone is the hottest selling phone as of now so it must not be bothering the masses and no available refurbs on the site so they are not returning them either.
 
Thanks for your thoughts.

Yes 18 was great on my 16e. It was fast and the battery life was very very good.

It’s still fast but similar to your anecdote, 26 has given it a 20-30% battery hit.

It’s obvious that it’s all the translucency rendering that it constantly has to do with Liquid Glass.

As to your advice. 26 is so bad I just can’t possibly imagine that 27 could ever be worse. Like you can with the Mac, I would love to downgrade to iOS 18 though.

I last had this feeling when I moved from 12 to 11 because 11 was so bad.

Remember the notifications on 11 that zoomed up and down the screen for no reason? And Apple even had an ad for the X where you saw this happening (until they fixed it - in the ad. Not in iOS 11).

But yeah like you my iPhone 7 suffered from the upgrade to 12 anyway.

Sure it was less buggy but it seemed to struggle with every day usage and its battery life had taken a huge hit - and that slim phone with Force Touch taking up precious space, already had a sub optimal battery.

We lost the headphone jack for Force Touch. No comment.

I gave in & bought an iPhone XR a few months later. Which again, was incredible on 12 and had battery life that was a day and and a half. That thing was a tank.

However, by 2021-22 and a few iOS upgrades or so… Well, you know the story.

So yeah - sadly, the lesson is to stay on the final point release of the major iOS version that your phone came with and to only accept security updates.

Anyway, when you see through the smoke and mirrors of Apple’s marketing, most iOS upgrades don’t have anything that is truly a must have.

The upgrade value is in new hardware.
I can’t say I agree with the above.
- We have not seen any battery hit on our idevices. Maybe a 16e specifically has a battery hit. My 15PM, 14PM, IPP M1 and IPP M5 have not taken a battery hit.
- I want the yearly upgrades with bug fixes and new features. Are some a must have, I think so. But if you want to stay behind, that’s your call.
- IOS/IPADOS 26.5 is pretty darn good. The same trajectory of very year with iOS 27 around the corner and all that it brings.
- Anyway you are welcome to never upgrade your iPhone and then actively discuss it on MR. I personally think it’s folly, and would rather buy a new phone than expend a massive amount of energy defending a no-upgrade policy.
 
By we I mean the incredibly high number of people I’ve seen clamoring for it

Weren’t you one of the people complaining that there are too many people complaining about Apple’s software?

Anyway, you’re right. There is no war in Ba Sing Se and Apple’s software is great!
Nothing like an obscure reference to point out how out of touch a post is with what is really happening.

While you may know an “incredibly high number people clamoring” to stop the yearly upgrades, There are an “incredibly higher number of people who want new hardware and software”. Financials tell the tale.
 
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I just explained to you what constitutes a malware. What you or I like is irrelevant here.

You’re buying an iPhone which needs an iOS to boot into and you’re complaining about not being able to skip that step? It’d just be an over-expensive paperweight without it.
Your definition of malware is incorrect. You can’t cherry-pick parts of it to make your point. Not how it works.
The original version is cool, updates are garbage. I don’t want another OS. I want apple to allow downgrading and I want garbage, pathetic, abhorrent developers to stop cutting support as if doing that gave them oxygen.

Since I already stay behind and downgrading wouldn’t even do much for me, I want developers to do better.
You’re saying it’s deliberate, I say it’s a combination of physics and not being fully optimized. Let’s move on.
I agree with this, and that’s the problem: it is horribly unoptimised and at this point, it is deliberate because they know what they’re doing and they’ve never provided a solution, either by allowing downgrading or by doing better. One of the two. Not this.
 
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Technical definition of malware is far from what you think it is. So could you please stop using the word malware just because it sounds fancy?

We get your point but please stop sensationalizing.
People say a lot of very stupid things on this forum.

I really want to believe that it's deliberate, to generate clickbait / outrage / engagement on the site, because the alternative explanation is far far more depressing.

You'd think that enthusiasts of a particular type of technology would have a bit of basic knowledge about the tech they are enthusiastic about. Sadly, this is not the case. The belief that tech works because of, eh, magic fairies, still seems to be common.

The general rule applies - think about what you're before typing before submitting. If you don't know what you are talking about, be nice to people and simply don't click "post" until you've actually factchecked.
 
Influencer wanna be. Has a YouTube with a whopping 240 subs. Worked in NYC (says she quit her 9-5 job), lives in area as rides MTA. Pictures in office show a real dump of a space. So, sure, REALLY believable 🙄

Oh and: On her TikTok, she's in the crummy office space working on some cheap-o PC. Who knew that Apple did not "eat their own dog food" for software development.
If she coded anything it was a a **** Tic Tac Toe app that no one wanted.
 
It depends on what you consider malware. For example, some people would consider the 2014 U2 album incident to be a form of malware. Same with Maps and "Suggested Places" and the "News" app –or any app that cannot be easily removed without jailbreaking the device. TLDR: Yes.
 
Someone please show a Column or chart side by side whatever with how many processes working on different
phones/OS versions and this will end quickly.
Process demand is the driver of all this and more and more software installed more processes working in the back ground.
Not that complicated. Bigger, better, faster being done at a sacrifice.
Nothing bad about it. Latest and greatest has more going on.
Turn off all notifications and power robbing processes is all you can do!
Computers are doing so much people have no idea the who, what, and where data is flowing.
This has been a fun read. So simple.
Chuckled on the Android friends saying Apple slow things down on purpose.
Heard that by so many over the years.
 
I can’t say I agree with the above.
- We have not seen any battery hit on our idevices. Maybe a 16e specifically has a battery hit. My 15PM, 14PM, IPP M1 and IPP M5 have not taken a battery hit.
- I want the yearly upgrades with bug fixes and new features. Are some a must have, I think so. But if you want to stay behind, that’s your call.
- IOS/IPADOS 26.5 is pretty darn good. The same trajectory of very year with iOS 27 around the corner and all that it brings.
- Anyway you are welcome to never upgrade your iPhone and then actively discuss it on MR. I personally think it’s folly, and would rather buy a new phone than expend a massive amount of energy defending a no-upgrade policy.
Fair enough. The ‘no upgrade policy’ is reluctant. I’m dismayed at how Apple’s software quality is really starting to decline.

I don’t think anyone on this thread has really blamed the hardware which in the last few years is uniformly excellent. I just want the software qualify to match the hardware quality levels.
 
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Fair enough. The ‘no upgrade policy’ is reluctant. I’m dismayed at how Apple’s software quality is really starting to decline.

I don’t think anyone on this thread has really blamed the hardware which in the last few years is uniformly excellent. I just want the software qualify to match the hardware quality levels.
This is also key. I’d be the first person to update if Apple did one of two things: if they either maintained device quality every single single time, or if they pledged to allow unfettered downgrading (I can’t update even if Apple signs everything but I’m fearing every minute that they’d cut version signing).

Since I talk about this, some may think that I have some sort of obsession with original versions and that I wouldn’t update regardless of the circumstances. That is false.

Do you think I like to see all of my devices lose out on years of compatibility? My iPhone Xʀ on iOS 12 can pretty much play music these days. It is the best-performing device I have and it can pretty much only play music.

If Apple gave me either downgrading or guaranteed quality, I’d update everything I have faster than @I7guy (😉). I’d restore device compatibility without downsides. I’d gladly do it.

The hardware is also so good like you said! Batteries are resilient, lasting 15 years without issues. The hardware is good, with no degradation for me other than a couple of factory defects since day one (a broken 7 Plus and a 6s with a line on the LCD 24 hours after purchase, which I exchanged). I take good care of my things (everything, not only devices), but devices respond accordingly and have thus far (knock on wood) performed admirably. Which I why I think it’s such a shame that the final result after Apple drops support and people update is pretty much garbage software permanently ruining great hardware. And in my experience, hardware has been great throughout, not only in the last few years.

The 6s with the A9 and 2GB of RAM got SO much praise during launch. It was so smooth, so cool, so performant. On iOS 9 and 10, that is…
 
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This is also key. I’d be the first person to update if Apple did one of two things: if they either maintained device quality every single single time, or if they pledged to allow unfettered downgrading (I can’t update even if Apple signs everything but I’m fearing every minute that they’d cut version signing).

Since I talk about this, some may think that I have some sort of obsession with original versions and that I wouldn’t update regardless of the circumstances. That is false.

Do you think I like to see all of my devices lose out on years of compatibility? My iPhone Xʀ on iOS 12 can pretty much play music these days. It is the best-performing device I have and it can pretty much only play music.

If Apple gave me either downgrading or guaranteed quality, I’d update everything I have faster than @I7guy (😉). I’d restore device compatibility without downsides. I’d gladly do it.

The hardware is also so good like you said! Batteries are resilient, lasting 15 years without issues. The hardware is good, with no degradation for me other than a couple of factory defects since day one (a broken 7 Plus and a 6s with a line on the LCD 24 hours after purchase, which I exchanged). I take good care of my things (everything, not only devices), but devices respond accordingly and have thus far (knock on wood) performed admirably. Which I why I think it’s such a shame that the final result after Apple drops support and people update is pretty much garbage software permanently ruining great hardware. And in my experience, hardware has been great throughout, not only in the last few years.

The 6s with the A9 and 2GB of RAM got SO much praise during launch. It was so smooth, so cool, so performant. On iOS 9 and 10, that is…
I used to roll my eyes when I read people like you with ‘no upgrades’ policies & thought it was a bit much.

But like I said my experience with iOS 26 on my 16e bought in march 2025 was the final straw.

I basically got 6 months of a great experience of it ie when I was on 18 and now I’m stuck with the mess that is 26.

I agree - downgrades should be allowed ie to downgrade at any point to the latest version of the previous major os version

Or Apple should release highly optimised versions of iOS for each model that they support with finely grained controls allowing us to turn off battery sucking features.

Which I don’t think that they’ll do. So the ability to downgrade is crucial.
 
This (unsubstantiated and unverified) former Apple software engineer says that Apple installs malware on your phone for the purpose of slowing it down during a software update to entice you into upgrading to the latest model.

Wow; how enticing.
 
From what I read lately the iPhone is the hottest selling phone as of now so it must not be bothering the masses and no available refurbs on the site so they are not returning them either.
Not entirely correct here although most iPhone users are not “trading up” through Apple as Apple rips you off on resale value. What people are doing instead is either trading their iPhones on Amazon to upgrade there or selling off their devices on Amazon, Swappa, Facebook Marketplace, Black Market and websites like this to recoup costs Apple refuses to credit.
 
I used to roll my eyes when I read people like you with ‘no upgrades’ policies & thought it was a bit much.

But like I said my experience with iOS 26 on my 16e bought in march 2025 was the final straw.

I basically got 6 months of a great experience of it ie when I was on 18 and now I’m stuck with the mess that is 26.

I agree - downgrades should be allowed ie to downgrade at any point to the latest version of the previous major os version

Or Apple should release highly optimised versions of iOS for each model that they support with finely grained controls allowing us to turn off battery sucking features.

Which I don’t think that they’ll do. So the ability to downgrade is crucial.
Apple will never allow downgrading, so we as users can only stay behind. Like I said, Apple not allowing downgrading, today, barely affects me. I’d downgrade a couple of older devices that Apple forced out but apart from those (an iPhone 6s and a 9.7-inch iPad Pro, whose original iOS version is iOS 9 and both of which are 10 years old, and at this point one is my quaternary phone and the other one my tertiary iPad), everything I have runs original iOS versions.

My #1 issue is (third-party) developers removing support. Why do you think I’m so harsh with my wording towards them? Because if they weren’t such pathetic garbage and maintained support, I’d be fine for far longer. Apple doesn’t even do that!!!! Every single Apple service and app works on every iOS version that was ever compatible (with maybe an irrelevant exception or two today). So Apple is fine on that regard, and since (almost) everything I have is already running original iOS versions anyway, downgrading wouldn’t affect me much today.

But I learned this just like you: through fire. I got burned once, twice, three times. 13 years ago, with iOS 7, I said enough is enough and I never updated willingly again. Apple forced me with the 6s and 9.7-inch iPad Pro like I said, but apart from that, I have everything on original versions and I never made the updating mistake again.

If you don’t push devices to their final versions and with the exception of the garbage that is iOS 26, updates are better today than what they were with the 6s. But they still impact devices severely. They might not leave them with one hour of screen-on time, but battery life is massively reduced anyway. They might not be unusable like an iPhone 4s on iOS 9, but they’re still significantly affected anyway.

The sad part for you is that if you had gotten ANY other iPhone than one that debuted with iOS 18, the first major update would’ve been fine (iOS 8 through 18 barring 11 were all fine as a first major update), but you were unlucky enough to get the second exception in 13 years and update to that.

I also got the second exception. My phone is an iPhone 16 Plus, bought, like you, in March 2025. But I didn’t update it and it still flawlessly runs iOS 18.

If I could give you a single piece of advice, it’d be that from now on, never update again. If compatibility forces you out you might have to, but you might find that that takes longer than you think, and if compatibility forces you out then there was nothing you could do anyway.

This approach also makes newer devices less relevant. I don’t even care about new iPhones or iPads because mine work so well that I don’t need to buy new until I want to. My Xʀ, today, seven years after purchase is still a three-day battery life phone for me which works as well as an iPhone 17 (or better! iOS 12 was really well optimised and people complain about 26 even on the 17 series).

And to be honest: my Xʀ is better optimised today on iOS 12 than my 16 Plus on iOS 18. Yes, it is better. I’d use it today. But I can’t. Why? Because of garbage, pathetic, abhorrent developers who can’t stop removing support.
 
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Apple deliberately prevents iPhone owners from restoring their devices to older iOS such as iOS18, for example, and optimize their current iOS to newer iPhones rather than optimizing their current iOS software to run efficiently on older supported iPhones so that people will upgrade from their older devices to their current devices. At least this is what I see being an iPhone 13 mini user.

I have newer iPhones that I can use however I prefer using more compact iPhones such as the 13 mini and 15 Pro over my Air and 17 Pro because I actually realized I like the smaller footprint. I do grab my Air and 17 Pro on occasions but tend to stay with my 15 Pro or 13 mini when using an iPhone today.
 
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Apple will never allow downgrading, so we as users can only stay behind. Like I said, Apple not allowing downgrading, today, barely affects me. I’d downgrade a couple of older devices that Apple forced out but apart from those (an iPhone 6s and a 9.7-inch iPad Pro, whose original iOS version is iOS 9 and both of which are 10 years old, and at this point one is my quaternary phone and the other one my tertiary iPad), everything I have runs original iOS versions.

My #1 issue is (third-party) developers removing support. Why do you think I’m so harsh with my wording towards them? Because if they weren’t such pathetic garbage and maintained support, I’d be fine for far longer. Apple doesn’t even do that!!!! Every single Apple service and app works on every iOS version that was ever compatible (with maybe an irrelevant exception or two today). So Apple is fine on that regard, and since (almost) everything I have is already running original iOS versions anyway, downgrading wouldn’t affect me much today.

But I learned this just like you: through fire. I got burned once, twice, three times. 13 years ago, with iOS 7, I said enough is enough and I never updated willingly again. Apple forced me with the 6s and 9.7-inch iPad Pro like I said, but apart from that, I have everything on original versions and I never made the updating mistake again.

If you don’t push devices to their final versions and with the exception of the garbage that is iOS 26, updates are better today than what they were with the 6s. But they still impact devices severely. They might not leave them with one hour of screen-on time, but battery life is massively reduced anyway. They might not be unusable like an iPhone 4s on iOS 9, but they’re still significantly affected anyway.

The sad part for you is that if you had gotten ANY other iPhone than one that debuted with iOS 18, the first major update would’ve been fine (iOS 8 through 18 barring 11 were all fine as a first major update), but you were unlucky enough to get the second exception in 13 years and update to that.

I also got the second exception. My phone is an iPhone 16 Plus, bought, like you, in March 2025. But I didn’t update it and it still flawlessly runs iOS 18.

If I could give you a single piece of advice, it’d be that from now on, never update again. If compatibility forces you out you might have to, but you might find that that takes longer than you think, and if compatibility forces you out then there was nothing you could do anyway.

This approach also makes newer devices less relevant. I don’t even care about new iPhones or iPads because mine work so well that I don’t need to buy new until I want to. My Xʀ, today, seven years after purchase is still a three-day battery life phone for me which works as well as an iPhone 17 (or better! iOS 12 was really well optimised and people complain about 26 even on the 17 series).

And to be honest: my Xʀ is better optimised today on iOS 12 than my 16 Plus on iOS 18. Yes, it is better. I’d use it today. But I can’t. Why? Because of garbage, pathetic, abhorrent developers who can’t stop removing support.
Very jealous of your 16 plus being on 18. I bet 2nd hand / refurbished phones still being on 18, have a premium attached to them.
 
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Very jealous of your 16 plus being on 18. I bet 2nd hand / refurbished phones still being on 18, have a premium attached to them.
You know, it’s funny now that you mentioned it. I have the iPhone Xʀ on iOS 12 which had the best battery life ever on an iPhone.

The iPhone 16 Plus also has the best battery life ever on an iPhone. Yes, for the first time ever, the Pro Max loses to another phone of the lineup. The iPhone 16 Plus is better than the 16 Pro Max on iOS 18.

But the most important aspect? The 16 Plus has the best battery life ever on an iPhone… today. Yes, due to the massive inefficiency of iOS 26, the 17 Pro Max loses to the iPhone 16 Plus on iOS 18 in real-world tests (but NOT on iOS 26, which incurred a massive, pathetic, ridiculous 15-20% penalty, unheard of for the first major update since, you guessed it, iOS 11).

And I don’t want to add to your jealousy, but alongside my iPhone I bought the 11th-gen iPad (A16), which had been released a couple of days before I bought it. As you can probably guess, it runs… iPadOS 18.

So I have the newest combo possible running iOS/iPadOS 18. Very happy with that.
 
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