iPhone 12 Pro Does ’s new on device CSAM policy affect your decision to upgrade?

[Geert76]

Steve Jobs during D8 conference back in 2010 said:

Privacy should be the default, and anything should be opt-in, ask the user, ask them every single time.

 

[cynics]

Yes, it definitely changed my plans to upgrade. Even if Apple walks back on this I'm not sure that I could trust that they removed this from the code. With the planned implementation I could completely turn off iCloud and just manually back up everything myself. But if I'm going to do that, I might as well give Android a try since I wouldn't use any Google cloud stuff there. Also, with Android there are firewall apps that can block connections to Google.

The iPhone offered the balance I was looking for in terms of perceived privacy while offering great convenience with iCloud. Now, I'm having to rethink that balance and it's opening up more doors. The challenge with the Android side of things is finding a smartwatch that will work for me as well as the Apple watch does.

You had a typo, you said Android and Google a couple times there......

I went back in Googles ToS archive to 2014 and they even highlighted they scanned all your data (including emails lol).

Google Terms of Service – Privacy & Terms – Google

www.google.com

Here is how them scanning your photos is a benefit to you! I love how they word this like its a theory almost. Meanwhile Google image recognization software can not only identify anything you show it they will tell you were to buy it! This is current BTW.

Google Terms of Service – Privacy & Terms – Google

policies.google.com

This talks about some of the technology Google uses for detecting CSAM and such. Its odd they would also have competing technologies for scanning images.

Fighting child sexual abuse online

Google is committed to fighting child sexual abuse material (CSAM) online and preventing our platforms from being used to spread this kind of content.

protectingchildren.google

Content Safety API is so efficient there is no way you won't be arrested.



CSAI is used if you have a video that they didn't scan yet.





Don't get upset though, like seriously do not get upset because SafetyNet is an API in Android that lets apps detect your behavior if its not good so you can be reported to the proper authorities and fixed up.

About the SafetyNet Attestation API deprecation | Security | Android Developers

developer.android.com

I always like Lockwatch app. If you enter the wrong passcode into the phone the camera will secretly take a pic and send it too your email. The thief won't even know, yep won't even know the camera he's holding in his hand is taking pics and of him and sending them yeeepppp doesn't even know that its spying on him...Good thing that can't be used on the good guys!

Lockwatch - Thief Catcher – Apps on Google Play

Lockwatch helps you locate and recover your lost or stolen phone

play.google.com

Obviously I'm messing around but here is what Apple did wrong apparently, business wise. They didn't just make it a footnote in the terms of service and ignore the bad press so it goes away in a week. They announced to their customer base they've developed a way to potentially save lives. And like people do, lets not LEARN how the tech works and see if its secure and private to base decisions off fact lets just string em up.

I actually have a conspiracy theory. Up until more recently with gov intervention iCloud Photos has been a vault. Is Apple sitting on a ton of child porn, how liable are they for what they are storing? Trust me I tried the "I'm holding it for a friend" routine when I was younger. Its doesn't work. If you were trying to get people arrested and sickos off the street you would keep it a secret. However if you told everyone those sicko's are going to move it off their servers as soon as humanly possible. I don't know I might be overthinking it. Lol.

TL;DR - There isn't enough time left in our lives for Apple to catch up to Google services and Android privacy invasions.

 

[RedRage]

Apple will report to local law enforcement when you’re speeding next. 🤦🏻‍♂️

 

[Momof2.1107]

Apple will report to local law enforcement when you’re speeding next.

I guess I would then turn my phone off and forgo using Apple CarPlay.

 

[Apple_Robert]

For those looking for an Apple Notes alternative that is truly end to end encrypted and cross-platform, I highly recommend "Standard Notes." You can sync using Dropbox, OneNote, or locally etc. I am currently using my Cryptomator folder in iCloud as my backup syncing option. I tested Dropbox and it works with no problems as well.

Standard Notes | End-To-End Encrypted Notes App

Standard Notes helps you gain control in a world that often feels out of control. Protect your life's work with end-to-end encryption, advanced security measures, and unmatched privacy controls.

standardnotes.com

 

[mprime_17]

Nop.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Doesn't the mini have the best display out of the 12 series?

High west PPi but smaller real estate in screen resolution

personally I’m in the fence. VERY FEW android devices appeal to me and I’m not about to whore out my personal data to 3rd parties like they a pimp. No dollar amount is worth my personal data.

I’m inclined to upgrade due to having an iPad (pero al growth of drawing), and heavily co side ring a MBP 14”. I know Windows very intimately and technically as I supported it via various corporations at work for decades but at the end of the day it doesn’t inspire me for personal aspirations and features I’m still getting used to. Watch plays a BIG consideration. For me going forward.

the flip flopping with Google and WearOS 1-2.0 still downer cut it for me.

Sony had it right from wrist band choices to plethora of apps like what we now enjoyed and Watch but they’d long since left the game as they didn’t it themselves long before Google chose to get I ti the watch market.

Not really.

Here’s the thing: The more convenience I want, the more of my personal privacy I have to give up. I could switch to Android and install GrapheneOS and use an encrypted cloud service, but then I won’t have my photos syncing across all device With sharing suggestions and generated Memories. I won’t be able to just start something on my phone and continue where i left off on my tablet with a single gesture. I wouldn’t be able to do a lot of the convenient things that I can do with Apple.

So that means, my only other choice is going to a larger Android provider, and while maybe none of them are hashing my photos on-device (which as we know have had illustrated is actually overall more secure than hashing completely server side), there’s still so much more data collection going on.

At the end of the day, what Apple is going to do for me that Google and other Android OEMs aren’t going to do is protect me from advertisers. You know what’s far scarier to me than a future with obvious oppression? A future where the oppression is invisible. A future where you might have to pay 2x as much for a doctor’s visit because you looked up your symptoms before you went and an AI figured out what you had before you did. Or a future where you get denied a house loan because an AI saw you had friends in a less than popular neighborhood. That freaks out may more than the government.

I’ve been saying this for years! Our privacy and especially private health data (food you eat, leisure activities you partake in can, if shared affect your IFE insurance policy from personal to corporate insurance coverage could be suddenly gone or exponentially raised premiums. We’ve already seen it with non regulated car insurance incentivizing ODBII port adapters with cellular connection)!

It's in the public light now, I think too many people are jumping to too many conclusions way too fast. Idiocracy is looking more like a prediction.

We all are you, hope you’re right and Apple makes an adjustment server side even if later in the year.

we all need to Vite with our dollars to cause pressure to majority share holders to entice Apple to make the change. We shall see.

Nope other platforms are also not good for privacy such as Google or MS.
I don't want to go to the Linux/custom ROM android route.
I like simplicity.
I will still buy an iPhone and Mac next time.

JK

I will indeed be moving to Linux and Custom Android what Apple has done is TOO far.

There are options like Calyx and Graphene on the Android side that don’t suffer from those privacy issues.

The thing is with Calyx is ….

I’m sure developers will be working hard to introduce the same feature but I bet you Apple will end it before it even makes it to the App Store.

There isn’t much support financially at the moment with the current join community + donate for a long term run which is what I’m worried about. Also supper for many manufacturers’ device that are supported.

 

[DeepIn2U]

This is why I don’t have any kids 🤣

Giving an allowance only teaches reliance. I and my son grew up without an allowance. Invites and incentives creativity self reliance and negotiation skills. you don’t HAVE to give an allowance.

 

[aue123]

i will happily turn on icloud photos and take a daily picture of my anus and my genitals, for their viewing pleasure. heck i’ll even include the ruler, for “educational” purposes 😂

 

[Jayson A]

i will happily turn on icloud photos and take a daily picture of my anus and my genitals, for their viewing pleasure. heck i’ll even include the ruler, for “educational” purposes 😂

Nice try but those won’t be in the CSAM database so there’s no chance they will see them.

 

[Momof2.1107]

For those looking for an Apple Notes alternative that is truly end to end encrypted and cross-platform, I highly recommend "Standard Notes." You can sync using Dropbox, OneNote, or locally etc. I am currently using my Cryptomator folder in iCloud as my backup syncing option. I tested Dropbox and it works with no problems as well.

Standard Notes | End-To-End Encrypted Notes App

Standard Notes helps you gain control in a world that often feels out of control. Protect your life's work with end-to-end encryption, advanced security measures, and unmatched privacy controls.

standardnotes.com

Thanks for that suggestion. I’m going to start moving my notes over to that.

 

[DeepIn2U]

I am not comfortable with this move by Apple and do not completely agree with it, however, no, it will not affect my decision to upgrade. The only change happening here is that they are moving the scanning from the iCloud end, to on-device.

The scanning is/was done in iCloud on any photos that were uploaded. In iOS 15 they're moving the scanning to on-device only for photos that get uploaded to iCloud and they are only scanned at the time of upload. They will not be randomly going through scanning your entire phone's photo library. And if you disable iCloud Photos, nothing gets scanned.

the issue is Apple changed their TOS statement 1.5-2yrs ago to slow for scanning on device yet ONLy now announcing this and avoided specifically saying so during wwdc.

that makes it suspect she creamy as Ever. Sneaky and to avoid affecting stock pricing and investment along with coders from being very suspect about it.

today it’s pictures, tomorrow it’s videos and FaceTime which captures pics and videos. The potential of what’s next without any user voting on sus u implementations that troubles me.

the problem i think here is there are ONLY 2 big mobile phone OS’ and plethora of application support for each. Windows, Symbian, BlackBerrys Android and others have all exited the building. Now we’re hooked like addicts and our choice of dealer is east or west they can consolidate and collusion between their motives. I like many here not happy with the choice of lesser evils so to speak.

let’s hope enough push back and feedback submits actually change if each submit isn’t a grit. It threat of voting with dollars but actually prepare to do so!! Only then will change occur in this capitalistic market.

 

[DeepIn2U]

i will happily turn on icloud photos and take a daily picture of my anus and my genitals, for their viewing pleasure. heck i’ll even include the ruler, for “educational” purposes 😂

ROFLMAO 🤣☠️

we really needed this comic relief on this too bravo!! We should ALL do this with crazy filters just to see what Apple does and screw up the algo’s. I’m kidding.

 

[Abazigal]

ROFLMAO

we really needed this comic relief on this too bravo!! We should ALL do this with crazy filters just to see what Apple does and screw up the algo’s. I’m kidding.

Assuming the algorithm works correctly, photos of our anuses should not trigger any flags and said photos will get uploaded to iCloud without any issues. And Apple wouldn’t be the wiser because said photos won’t be flagged for human review, all tagging in the photos app is done entirely on-device, and Apple doesn’t get any of that data.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Thanks for that suggestion. I’m going to start moving my notes over to that.

If that doesn't fit your wants etc., you can also give "Joplin" a try. It is free as well unless you want the deluxe version.

 

[BreakingKayfabe]

Giving an allowance only teaches reliance. I and my son grew up without an allowance. Invites and incentives creativity self reliance and negotiation skills. you don’t HAVE to give an allowance.

And most importantly do NOT HAVE to procreate lol

 

[jseymour]

As I've posted elsewhere: Yup. Our household has purchased its last Apple products--and many of them probably won't be around long enough to see EOL before they're replaced with something else.

 

[remington79]

Yeah let’s just have our devices scanned like we’re common criminals.

 

[I7guy]

I’m out I was leaning that way having seen what I could get for the money I paid for my iMac that would have a much greater life span and be upgradeable. I’m fed up of a red dot on preferences on MacOS because I don’t use iCloud. I don’t want a nanny phone that opens up the way fir government spying down the road. A custom rom Android phone and a windows computer that will last a decade are on the horizon. Apple are to far behind by playing leak a few updates make lots of money. At least Samsung are trying something new we get possibly a 120Mhz screen and a new deformed notch, yeah time to move on. As for cameras the competition are making apple look lost too. I’m saddened it’s come to this but that’s what happens when a company is run by bean counters rather than forwardthinking dynamic engineers with a CEO to back them up.

You mean replacing a one vendor solution with a multivendor solution? Because one vendor other than Apple can’t deliver a complete solution? Those forward thinking dynamic engineers with a Ceo to back them up?

 

[IBMlover]

As long as there are no performance issues and the device does not slow down due to scanning, it does not affect my decision to upgrade.

 

[Saladin12]

I'm very curious to see what Apple's device sales look like in 2022 and the usage of iCloud... Will the wider public react the way many on this thread have done?

 

[Jayson A]

Yeah let’s just have our devices scanned like we’re common criminals.

Yeah exactly. Why don't they just scan devices of criminals?

 

[yocko]

I really really hope that all this pushback will make them change their mind

 

[Jayson A]

I really really hope that all this pushback will make them change their mind

Doubt that will happen. Most people don't care. Asked my wife if she was concerned and her response was "Good, those people deserve what they get" and I agreed.

 

[jseymour]

Doubt that will happen. Most people don't care. Asked my wife if she was concerned and her response was "Good, those people deserve what they get" and I agreed.

Meanwhile, a member on another forum, whose wife uses Apple products (he does not), when informed of what Apple's doing, told him she's not replacing what she has, but will buy no more Apple kit. My wife is taking the same approach.