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Of course there is some truth to it.

My problem with mentioned feature is: activation/deactivation is a question of policy, not capability. Plus the whole system makes no sense considering iCloud Photos only, since they could do it on server.
It looks like the feature has been developed with local scanning in mind - and they pulled back. due to the ensuing outcry

So the capability is there, pressure will be there and considering the above I fully expect this to be rolled out for all photos, iCloud and local, once the dust has settled. The probability is high imo

But yes, you are right, that part is of course speculation. We‘ll know when they announce it (or not)
I think they’re trying to move more and more features to be done on-device rather than rely on the cloud to do it. This made people think that their iPhone is spying on them and I disagree. Can they use it for other things, probably, but that remains to be seen.

We as the consumers, pretty much have to believe everything they say is true or else we would never use their hardware/software.

When Apple says disabling Siri means the phone isn’t listening anymore, we pretty much have to believe them. When Apple says that location data isn’t shared with them, we assume they’re telling the truth. When they say they’re not looking at your photos in the cloud, we assume they aren’t. There are a TON of things they COULD technically do, but we shouldn’t get hung up on that, but instead wait for evidence that they’re lying to us, because until that happens, we’re just speculating and getting paranoid for no reason.
 
Doesn’t change my plans at all. 😀

All these companies need to do is flip a switch and your privacy is gone. Apple included. I just don’t think Apple WILL do it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Facebook and Google are already “reading” your photos, trying to identify who and what is happening in every photo.

What Apple is doing is essentially that, except it’s happening mostly on your device.
 
we pretty much have to believe them
because they were completely <not> up front and honest about throttling hundreds of millions of iPhones secretly with iOS 10. They got busted for that deception and have had to pay out hundreds of millions of dollars in lawsuit penalties because of it.
In my book at least, they lost a lot of credibility after that
 
Doesn't matter if you get flagged. If there's nothing illegal, they won't report it to authorities and if they do somehow report innocent photos to authorities, then they'll just go... yeah, there's nothing wrong about those photos. There must've been an error.

How do you explain all of the people who have been put away for life for crimes they never committed, then?
 
I don’t have child porn or illegal images on my phone, so no. People crying about this is extremely suspect to me, what are you hiding?
Right? A lot of people suddenly got really worried about having 30 photos match to a database that only hosts CSAM photos. Worried much? Haha.

99.999999% of consumers will never have any of their data shared with anyone and if they do, then they deserve to be caught.
 
I'm glad some of the posters here didn't write the bill of rights lol.

Some people think it is too late to turn back now. I think authoritarianism is not a sustainable system.

It's naive to think that things will trend one way forever.

Disappointing to see Apple cave though. Really wonder why they decided to now.
 
I think it's probably a combination of factors... China has had Apple's balls in a vice for quite a while now, they caved in there. The US is turning into bizarro-world with COVID being a nice backdrop for hysteria and authoritarianism, and Apple is facing a lot of pressure with anti-trust ... they caved in. I'm assuming it happened at the 13th hour, because their marketing, presentation and PR are usually incredibly slick and on point, whereas the CSAM rollout was a complete mess... given more time I'm sure they could have created a better narrative.

Steve Jobs is dead. There are an awful lot of Apple Millionaires, and some who made 100s of millions or billions, who all walked out the door a while ago, so there's really nobody left from the 1984 ad days, and I can't think of anybody from NeXT doing a reverse-takeover of Apple in the late 90s who is still around. With Google, where are the founders? Oh, right, living on super yachts in Fiji and buying islands there, or becoming citizens of New Zealand. Here's your dystopian society, k'thanks for the cash, gotta go, buh-bye.
 
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I suspect the increasing scale of globalization, urbanization, bureaucratization, and the internet have destroyed all our trust in each other. Apple's just going with the flow.
 
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I think the real issue is iCloud (and cloud storage in general). I feel like Apple is trying to protect themselves from liability, but doesn't want to use their own compute resources to scan your uploads. So you're going to do it for them. In a normal democracy there would be judiciaries and warrants and such, but authoritarian times call for authoritarian measures.

I'd really like to have something like the old AirPort Extreme where instead of syncing your data to Apple's iCloud servers you could sync to a private NAS on your own network. Call it iCloud Extreme Pro Privacy Edition and have Tim sell it in a variety of pastel colours to match your 🌈 new 24" iMac.
 
I started thinking about this thread quite a bit. At first I was on Apple’s side thinking that this is going to be for the safety of children and honestly if they’re not looking at my actual photos, just hashes I was ok with this. Then I started to think about the potential implications for future issues. I thought of a scenario that made it make a little more sense to me. What if my girlfriend decided she didn’t like me hanging out with one of my friends? If I decided to stop being friends with that friend for my girlfriend it would benefit my relationship but what if because of that decision she decided that she didn’t want me hanging out with any of my friends or what if she decided she didn’t want me being around my mom or my sister or my niece. The thing I started thinking about was the implications of this is that apple at any time could decide that they can scan for anything if they so choose. It kind of put it all in perspective for me. That being said I’m still going to get the newest iPhone but this policy does make me uncomfortable. BTW my girlfriend is not like that, it was just a made up scenario.
 
I started thinking about this thread quite a bit. At first I was on Apple’s side thinking that this is going to be for the safety of children and honestly if they’re not looking at my actual photos, just hashes I was ok with this. Then I started to think about the potential implications for future issues. I thought of a scenario that made it make a little more sense to me. What if my girlfriend decided she didn’t like me hanging out with one of my friends? If I decided to stop being friends with that friend for my girlfriend it would benefit my relationship but what if because of that decision she decided that she didn’t want me hanging out with any of my friends or what if she decided she didn’t want me being around my mom or my sister or my niece. The thing I started thinking about was the implications of this is that apple at any time could decide that they can scan for anything if they so choose. It kind of put it all in perspective for me. That being said I’m still going to get the newest iPhone but this policy does make me uncomfortable. BTW my girlfriend is not like that, it was just a made up scenario.
You described the slippery slope Apple has created and alerted all the various interested third parties. Today it is photos and next week, month or year, it is going to be scanning word texts in iMessage in the cloud against pedophile and predator language towards children etc. After that, it might involve copyright material stored in the cloud or something else that could create a ongoing legal liability for Apple that it doesn't want to have to pay fines for etc.

This isn't going to stay just for photos. Abuse is going to happen and also innocent people are going to get flagged. I don't buy the Apple marketing rhetoric on how infallible it is.
 
This came out a month after the DNC a political organization said they were going to try to work with carriers to scan SMS messages to combat vaccine “misinformation. “
Now a month later we find out there’s going to be a crack in iMessage. A messaging platform that was supposed to be safe from that kind of thing. Remember it’s not just photos they’re messing with iMessage too.
 
Basically the question is in the title y’all.

I would have created a poll but I’m using Tapatalk.

I’m on the fence whether this would sway me over the dark side but usually after  adopts something the whole tech world usually jumps on board or it blows up in the mainstream if it had already been done on Android.

I would just be leery of giving up my  watch and having to switch over to Android.

I also thought I would never say this but I did switch I would most likely get the Pixel 6

Yes. I will not update to iOS 15 because of the CSAM spyware. If it is determined that Apple is spying on us through mac OS as well, I will, sadly, have to abandon the platform. I'm not doing anything wrong, but I also don't want to bear the risk of one day, after a false hit, having to prove my innocence to someone after Apple snitches its suspicions.

I also have zero confidence that once we are resigned to being spied upon by Apple — For The Children!™ — the system will not be weaponized further against us. First they'll start looking for COVID-19 misinformation in my text messages, then for copyrighted material, then for hints that I might be a domestic terrorist, and finally for any opposition to the Democratic Party (I harbor no illusions that Apple would be so pliant for a US government controlled by Republicans).
 
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Yes, it absolutely does.

What I do or don’t do depends on what Apple does next. I can and am willing to complete migrate out of the ecosystem and that unfortunately may be necessary; I’m not accepting built in spyware. From a user standpoint, Apple’s hardware is great: the ARM transition, overall quality, integration, etc. However, if I have to start disabling all the ecosystem integration features, that removes a huge part of the value equation.

This is going to seem like a lot, but just trying to answer the question accurately.

So, what was I going to upgrade and now have put on hold?
  • 16” MBP, 64GB RAM, 4TB or larger SSD.
  • iPhone 13 Pro Max (largest SSD minus 1 step)
  • 13 Pro for wife (largest SSD minus 1 step)
  • A pair of Watch 7 for both of us (WiFi only)
  • AirPod Max for wife (if they came out with cool new colors)
  • 6x more HomePod Minis to finish coverage of my whole house (I have almost 2 dozen original HomePods)

What have I recently purchased?
  • 12.9” iPP 16GB/2TB/cellular w/Magic Keyboard and pencil
  • 13” MPB 16GB/1TB for wife
  • iPad Air 4 for wife w/Magic Keyboard
  • AirPod Max for me
  • 4x HomePod mini
Plus, I have lots of other Apple gear like AppleTV, AirPod Pros, other Macs, etc. but that’s stuff older than a year. This years upgrades were a bunch of Apple gear, but next years was to update my NAS; looking at 45-90 HDDs.

Like I said, I can migrate and I still run lots of Linux/BSD on custom gear. I have a dedicated rack just for network gear. Plus another dedicated rack for server gear. Of course, all with dedicated power circuits and UPS.

I can leave; I feel bad for those who can’t. As long as my privacy rights aligned with Apple’s profits, I didn’t mind paying for the convenience.
 
Yes, I was going to get the iPhone 13 Mini but I now have no plans to upgrade. I’m also removing all my notes from iCloud and switching over to Joplin, removing contacts from iCloud, and clearing my iCloud calendar and switching to ProtonCalendar. I'll also be transitioning over to Firefox as my default browser on all devices. I already stopped using iCloud Photos months ago, but now I turned off all the switches including iCloud Shared Albums (was still using this). I also stopped using Messages in iCloud a few weeks ago. Apparently, I was naive to trust Apple as much as I did.
 
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Because you never know what the algorithm will be tweaked to do. Are you sure what you have on your phone is kosher?
 
How do you explain all of the people who have been put away for life for crimes they never committed, then?

The problem with Apple turning the phone in your pocket into a snitch is that thanks to the overcriminalization of, well, everything, all of us are guilty of something, at all times. It's a sword of Damocles hanging over the head of every American, just waiting for the confluence of two factors: (i) someone in government decides it's time to do you in; and (ii) government gets its hands on evidence. I don't believe for a moment that Apple will forever limit its search of my data simply to a hunt for CSAM material; once the camel has its nose in the tent, all of the camel is coming in.

Oh no, wait — I do know how to get Apple to stop cooperating with government to invade my Fourth Amendment rights. I can elect the wrong President. In that case, Apple will piously refuse to assist the Department of Justice with access to iPhone data even if I were an actual, murderous terrorist.

 
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Yes, it definitely changed my plans to upgrade. Even if Apple walks back on this I'm not sure that I could trust that they removed this from the code. With the planned implementation I could completely turn off iCloud and just manually back up everything myself. But if I'm going to do that, I might as well give Android a try since I wouldn't use any Google cloud stuff there. Also, with Android there are firewall apps that can block connections to Google.

The iPhone offered the balance I was looking for in terms of perceived privacy while offering great convenience with iCloud. Now, I'm having to rethink that balance and it's opening up more doors. The challenge with the Android side of things is finding a smartwatch that will work for me as well as the Apple watch does.
 
This CSAM ruse is a real betrayal of Apple's stated "principles". Not just Federighi's hollow promise that Apple believes my privacy is a fundamental human right. Does anybody remember how Apple notoriously refused to unlock the iPhones of mass murderers and terrorists? That was just five years ago.
 
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