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Donald Duck...No vote for you from iPhone users.
I can tell you this for a fact, there no single voting block representative of iPhone users. Like all the other crap thrown at The Donald, it doesn't matter. Trump could walking to a pro-immigration rally, start shooting protesters at random, get arrested, convicted and he will still rise in the polls.
 
The worse thing that could happen to this country is to get a president who thinks he's a god, while being more ignorant than a goat.

Whenever this guy opens his mouth, people start fighting and hating each other more and more.
If he gets elected, it wouldn't surprise me if this country engages into a new Civil War.
 
I can tell you this for a fact, there no single voting block representative of iPhone users. Like all the other crap thrown at The Donald, it doesn't matter. Trump could walking to a pro-immigration rally, start shooting protesters at random, get arrested, convicted and he will still rise in the polls.
It's probably because there are no good candidates to choose...
 
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Look at what Germany was doing before Hitler was in power.

Is the US in the same shape of pre-Nazi Germany? No. Is the President nominated (as the German Chancellor), or is the president elected?
Can and will Congress impeach and then indict the President? (See Nixon, who had to resign for a "minor" offense. See Clinton, who was impeached).

For one look at how the Trump crowds handle protestors/hecklers?

The same way that happens everywhere else. John Kerry actually had one tasered in front of cameras.

Is that your idea of Free Speech?

You're talking about a private event. I can't go to your family reunion to heckle your family. It would be within your rights to have me forcefully removed.
I recall that Obama did the same thing in 2008 (although I am going by memory).

Say something the other side doesn't like and get the crap beat out of you?

No. It's resisting from being removed that will get the crap beaten out of you. Go to a Walmart and start yelling that Walmart sucks. Go to an Apple Store and yell that Tim Cook should resign. See what happens.

What about the ridiculous amounts of edicts and executive orders?

Technically speaking Trump hasn't used any executive order yet. You can't have him at fault for something he didn't commit.
Obama and Bush abused them. However, knowing the system, the fault is to be found within Congress. My fear, my true fear, is that with such a heated presidential election, no one will focus on Congress which is the big problem of the US political system right now. The more Congress is dysfunctional the more the presidential check will be dysfunctional.
 
So if a bank is presented with a court order to open a safety deposit box, they should just say no? That doesn't make any sense.

It's one thing if the government is asking Apple to give them a back door into everyone's cell phones. It's a different thing for a court to require that Apple comply with a court order to access evidence in a mass murder case.

Trump is right in this case and Apple is wrong.


A correct analogy would be the Federal Government requiring a bank to keep a copy of the key they give to the safe deposit box owner.

Currently you need two keys to open a safe deposit box. The owner has a key that is unique to each box (just like the password to your phone) and the bank has a master key.

Without both keys you cannot open a safe deposit box without drilling it. But drilling the box would not give the Government access to the other safe deposit boxes.

There is nothing stopping the Government from using brute force to crack the encryption on a phone or any computer. What the government wants is for the smartphone manufactures to install a "key" into their software to all the Government to access your smartphone or computer at will.
 
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That just screams fake. "Fox News" may have existed in 1998 but it wasn't something people talked about or associated with "dumb Republicans".
 
I can tell you this for a fact, there no single voting block representative of iPhone users. Like all the other crap thrown at The Donald, it doesn't matter. Trump could walking to a pro-immigration rally, start shooting protesters at random, get arrested, convicted and he will still rise in the polls.

That will definitely prove that ignorance is the dominating factor in these elections.
 
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Even though I support many of his points I have to disagree with him at this point. Who the hell does he think HE is? Companies should decide for their own whether they want to have backdoors or not. And Apple doesn't want that, which is a good thing in my opinion.
 
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Funny for a party that wants "less government", they are in full support of the government in this case. Or big government to protect the banks. The same way they are "pro-life" and send people off to die in wars. Just keep handing elections to the democrats since thats apparently where all the grown-ups are.
 
People should feel free to pile on Trump, but don't forget that both parties are strongly pro-surveillance and anti-privacy. There are no candidates on either side who disagree with Trump on this issue. Rand Paul was the only one, and he's out.
 
People should feel free to pile on Trump, but don't forget that both parties are strongly pro-surveillance and anti-privacy. There are no candidates on either side who disagree with Trump on this issue. Rand Paul was the only one, and he's out.

This. One of the few things where I supported Rand Paul.
 
Does anyone know if the FBI/government has explained in detail what they expect to find on the iphone? Are they in search of a mere motive or reason for the crime? Are they in search of some link back to a foreign organization? Do they believe there are plans for a future not-yet-committed crime on the iphone?

I don't know if the rest of the American public is as demanding as I am, but I need to see real tangible reasons for even asking for such an invasion. Because security is not a good reason.

That is the key. If there were actual leads on this phone and an organized network behind it, the phone would have long since been destroyed (before the attacks) and a burner used for final logistics. There is literally no reasonably possible scenario in which there is life-saving data on this phone.

Frankly, the FBI wants to set a precedent here because once that precedent is set - once we have established that if we can get a judge to order it Apple must provide decryption (somehow) even though it doesn't have the keys - then they can start expanding the Overton window of what an acceptable scenario is to use this. The only thing the FBI gets out of this battle is the ability to use this tool again and again in the future. Apple isn't willing to specifically accuse the FBI of this motivation but they are correctly warning of that effect.
 
I think the real issue at hand is that no one trusts the government anymore not even Apple....
I think it's a mistake to blame "the government". Most government workers are fine, trustyworthy folks. It's specifically the "intelligence community" that doesn't deserve our trust. They have lied, cheated, and circumvented or secretly "reinterpreted" the law in ways that many people consider unconstitutional. Heck, they have even illegally snooped on the elected officials that are supposed to oversee them. They are just out of control. And now they act surprised that people don't want to give them even broader powers.
 
Has Hillary made a statement about this? Would love to hear it. She says whatever the most voters are thinking so she can capture as many votes as possible.
 
The fact that Trump gets the amount of support he does from various people around in the United States is way beyond me. People can't be serious when they vote for this insane person to get any amount of governmental power? The man is making a complete fool out of himself each and every day, and yet it seems to make more and more people supporting him..
 
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Donald Trump, a leading Republican candidate in the 2016 U.S. presidential elections, has spoken out against Apple's refusal to help the FBI access data on an iPhone 5c used by shooter Syed Farook in the 2015 San Bernardino attacks.

Trump, who appeared on the morning news show Fox and Friends this morning, said he agrees "100 percent with the courts" about the matter, as reported by Politico. "Who do [Apple] think they are? They have to open it up," he said.Apple published an open letter earlier today stating that the company will oppose an order from a U.S. federal judge that demands the company create a new version of iOS that circumvents several important security features, allowing access to encrypted smartphone data to assist the FBI's investigation.

Apple CEO Tim Cook said that while the company is "shocked and outraged" by the San Bernardino attacks last December, and presumes "the FBI's intentions are good," the company strongly believes that building a "backdoor" for U.S. government or law enforcement would be "too dangerous to create."Apple has routinely encouraged the U.S. government to embrace its "no backdoors" encryption policy. In June 2015, Cook spoke about the importance of privacy at the Electronic Privacy Information Center's Champions of Freedom event in Washington D.C., and he has made several other privacy-centric speeches as chief executive.

Apple stopped storing encryption keys for devices running iOS 8 or later, making it impossible for the iPhone maker to unlock content requested by U.S. authorities on passcode-protected devices. iOS also has an optional Touch ID setting that erases all data after 10 failed passcode attempts.

California and New York assemblymen have introduced bills that aim to ban sales of devices with such strong levels of encryption, with a $2,500 fine per phone sold in violation, but bipartisan legislation was subsequently introduced in U.S. Congress that could block these state-level efforts. None of the bills have yet to be signed into law.

Note: Due to the political nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Donald Trump Criticizes Apple for Opposing iPhone 'Backdoor' Order: 'Who Do They Think They Are?'
Stay strong, apple!
 
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"Donald Trump Criticizes Apple for Opposing iPhone 'Backdoor"

Typical comment from the fascist blowhard. That's all we need, an orange-toupee'd Hitler as president.
 
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Oh stop. Trump might be that way but resorting to name calling like you just did only stoops to his level. You are just as bad as he is.

Sorry, but you can call Trump an ******* douchebag all day and night and not even begin to approach the damage his demagoguery has already done to this country, much less what it will continue to wreak if he gains the nomination of the Republican party. Calling Trump names is indignant, but pandering to base fears and prejudices to gain support in polls is far far beyond that.
 
People should feel free to pile on Trump, but don't forget that both parties are strongly pro-surveillance and anti-privacy. There are no candidates on either side who disagree with Trump on this issue. Rand Paul was the only one, and he's out.

Not to bicker needlessly, but Sanders has voted against all authorizations of the USA PATRIOT act, called the NSA "out of control", criticized wiretapping etc.
 
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More fake memes.

Waiting for someone to drop a few million in photo-realistic CGI video and professional voice mimics to make something up. Then have it "discovered" to discredit the guy since so much Democratic crony pork money is at risk here.

Tempted to go to SigGraph this year to make a list of professionals that would be willing to take the deal.
 
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