Donald Trump Criticizes Apple for Opposing iPhone 'Backdoor' Order: 'Who Do They Think They Are?'

[Norbs12]

No, we use taxes to pay for things like buildings or streets, something that is unfortunately necessary, socialism as you can see in my other post is quite different.

And the things, like free education for all, etc. that Sanders want sound great, until you start looking at the only way to pay for this is to go ultimately to communism. How else do you pay trillions of dollars a year that he wants to spend when we are already trillions of dollars in debt?

So the right to basic health care and education is not necessary but fire dept and parks are? Where are you drawing this ambiguous line? I don't use parks as much as some people why should I pay for that? I don't want my kids going to public school, why would I pay for that? Oh right because it benefits society as a whole when people don't have to feel like they need to do anything it takes to survive (even commit crimes) it lift up our entire society as a whole. I think the problem is you think there isn't much money to go around for things like this. In reality there are just too many tax loopholes for the rich and money wasted on things making rich richer. Do you really think that Trump isn't going to use the power to make himself richer? There is no such thing as trickle down economics. Rich people will not double your pay simply because they made double the money. We waste far more on far less I think it's time we can have some human needs met. Either way I'd done talking about this, you can reply but you probably won't get a response back.

 

[Sonmi451]

I'm a Trump supporter, but I respectfully disagree with him on this issue.

Why would you ever admit that in public? Oh wait, I guess you wouldn't, you're hiding behind an anonymous username.

 

[macduke]

This is the strongest argument yet that Apple is right. What an ass.

 

[Surf Donkey]

The fact that Trump gets the amount of support he does from various people around in the United States is way beyond me. People can't be serious when they vote for this insane person to get any amount of governmental power? The man is making a complete fool out of himself each and every day, and yet it seems to make more and more people supporting him..

He literally is the "Waldo" in Black Mirror episode. Which, if you haven't seen black mirror, love tech and dark sci-fi, then do it! On Netflix I believe.

 

[jettredmont]

The proposition is that Apple would have the master key, unless I im mistaken (much like the bank has the same master key).

You completely misunderstand how encryption works.

There is no master key, and can not be a master key in any secure encryption scheme, by design. Simple physical analog keys do not work in securing digital data, and hence the concept of a "master key" is anachronistic at best, actively deceptive at worst. There are mountains of academic papers and studies describing precisely why this is.

So, yes, you are mistaken. Just not in the way you think you might have been.

 

[npmacuser5]

I can tell you this for a fact, there no single voting block representative of iPhone users. Like all the other crap thrown at The Donald, it doesn't matter. Trump could walking to a pro-immigration rally, start shooting protesters at random, get arrested, convicted and he will still rise in the polls.

Because sheep are extremely easy to control. Their thought processes only go as far as the Shepard's command. Independent thinking and respect are not what Donald Trump's supporters excel at. Thank you for the supporting comments.

 

[that1guyy]

I imagine lots of people will try to assassinate this guy if he becomes president.

 

[SeattleMoose]

I'm a Trump supporter, but I respectfully disagree with him on this issue.

And just when I thought he was different from the typical spy state supporting/gun grabbing elite stooges....I guess there is no perfect candidate. It is just a case of voting for the lesser of multiple evils....

 

[CFreymarc]

I imagine lots of people will try to assassinate this guy if he becomes president.

Knowing the Donald, Vice President Cruz will just step right in if that happens.

 

[oneMadRssn]

That is the key. If there were actual leads on this phone and an organized network behind it, the phone would have long since been destroyed (before the attacks) and a burner used for final logistics. There is literally no reasonably possible scenario in which there is life-saving data on this phone.

Frankly, the FBI wants to set a precedent here because once that precedent is set - once we have established that if we can get a judge to order it Apple must provide decryption (somehow) even though it doesn't have the keys - then they can start expanding the Overton window of what an acceptable scenario is to use this. The only thing the FBI gets out of this battle is the ability to use this tool again and again in the future. Apple isn't willing to specifically accuse the FBI of this motivation but they are correctly warning of that effect.

I agree. Theoretically, I can see the need to get access to information on that phone in an "exigent circumstances" type of situation, where law enforcement believes there is imminent danger or are in hot pursuit of a felon or something along those lines. I say theoretically because as far as I know, even in such a circumstance, there is no way to get the information off the phone and processed fast enough anyway. However, in the present case, there seems to be zero exigent circumstance and thus getting information off that phone isn't worth the cost.

 

[BuffaloTF]

The fact that Trump gets the amount of support he does from various people around in the United States is way beyond me. People can't be serious when they vote for this insane person to get any amount of governmental power? The man is making a complete fool out of himself each and every day, and yet it seems to make more and more people supporting him..

Demagoguery sells... and it's very powerful. So people are quite serious that they'd vote for him, and he's a great salesman.

The question is... is he serious? Probably not..... Most likely not on a lot of things since he's socially incredibly liberal. But it's still a dangerous game to play.

 

[Surf Donkey]

No, we use taxes to pay for things like buildings or streets, something that is unfortunately necessary, socialism as you can see in my other post is quite different.

And the things, like free education for all, etc. that Sanders want sound great, until you start looking at the only way to pay for this is to go ultimately to communism. How else do you pay trillions of dollars a year that he wants to spend when we are already trillions of dollars in debt?

Have you looked at his policies for how they will be funded? Or is it just easier to shout Communism??

http://i.imgur.com/l9LBQZa.jpg

Mr. Sanders wants to use funds raised by this tax to pay for his college-education agenda, which includes making public colleges free, cutting interest rates on student loans and increasing financial aid. The costs of these proposals--$75 billion per year by Mr. Sanders's count--could be fully paid by the tax, according to Mr. Sanders.

Under a bill Mr. Sanders introduced last May, investors would be required to pay an excise tax on any transfer of a stock, bond, partnership interest or derivative. Stock trades would incur a 0.5% tax rate, or $5 for every $1000 of stocks traded. Bond trading gets a 0.10% tax rate. Derivatives a 0.005% tax rate.

Although those tax rates seem quite small, in theory they could raise quite a lot of revenue for the government because of the size of U.S. financial markets. The total dollar value of U.S. stocks is around $25 trillion and more than $300 billion in shares is traded on a typical day. The bond market is even bigger, with nearly $730 billion trading on an average day last year.

 

[scoobydoo99]

I'm a Trump supporter... but I respectfully disagree with him on this issue. Tim is 100% right, and even more right when he says the FBI/Government will "word this differently".

As far as I understand, both sides (FBI vs Apple) have valid reasons - there's no easy way out of this one, I think.

The FBI doesn't have a "valid reason" at all to compromise our rights. If we let the government take away the ability to encrypt our data (which is essentially what they want), then it's pretty much over. The "terrorism" argument that they use to justify every attack on civil rights just doesn't carry any weight.

This is not about solving crimes or stopping terrorism. Those are just the excuses they use. This is about controlling the population to ensure government dominance. Specifically U.S. government dominance over the entire world.

 

[Sedulous]

I'd rather take the extremely small risk of dying in a terrorist attack than live in a fascist police state. But hey, I'm not a cowardly sheep like most Americans these days.

Yeah, most Americans are cowardly sheep. WTF are you talking about? "Americans" are objecting to their own government asserting itself into their privacy.

 

[CFreymarc]

Because sheep are extremely easy to control. Their thought processes only go as far as the Shepard's command. Independent thinking and respect are not what Donald Trump's supporters excel at. Thank you for the supporting comments.

Honestly, I'd rather have a group of self-determined, freedom loving individuals run society over a bunch of over-educated totalitarians that look down on the population like unwashed masses that think they know better because of a few books read and tests taken.

 

[Atreyu25]

Oh Trumpy. I'm sure he tweeted that from his iPhone.

 

[Sill]

So the right to basic health care and education is not necessary but fire dept and parks are? Where are you drawing this ambiguous line? I don't use parks as much as some people why should I pay for that? I don't want my kids going to public school, why would I pay for that? Oh right because it benefits society as a whole when people don't have to feel like they need to do anything it takes to survive (even commit crimes) it lift up our entire society as a whole. I think the problem is you think there isn't much money to go around for things like this. In reality there are just too many tax loopholes for the rich and money wasted on things making rich richer. Do you really think that Trump isn't going to use the power to make himself richer? There is no such thing as trickle down economics. Rich people will not double your pay simply because they made double the money. We waste far more on far less I think it's time we can have some human needs met. Either way I'd done talking about this, you can reply but you probably won't get a response back.

Lets get one thing straight: everyone has "the right" to all the things you mention and more. What they don't have the right to, is to force someone else to pay for that.

A businessman provides goods and/or services and does it in a way that people like well enough to buy. One of the things a businessman does is try to reduce his costs to maximize his profits. So if he finds a facility he can use that meets his needs but only costs half as much to rent, he goes there. If he finds a way of doing more work with less people, he does this. If he wants to increase volume he can reduce the end user cost then. And so on. All in the name of maximizing his profit.
But if you tax the guy and he has to meet that tax burden in addition to his normal costs, what do you think that is going to do? He has to further cut costs, or he has to sell more for the same money, or he goes belly up. Its not like he can just pick a different tax to pay, at least not without making some major adjustments (move to another state, or move outside the US). And if you decided that he was on the wrong side of that arbitrary "rich" line, and that he needed to pay even more tax, where is his incentive to ever serve the public in the first place?

This is what Bernie Sanders doesn't understand. Trump gets it, though for some reason his response is to "order" businesses to come back, or penalize the ones that move out of the country. Both of them need some education.

 

[freddiecable]

Trump is a discrase for humanity. Equally bad as radical Islam.

 

[BruceEBonus]

Every time I see Donald Trump I have a sudden urge to eat some shredded wheat!

 

[Thunderhawks]

Shocking: Donald Trump is still an idiot.

Brings you down to his level and then beats you with experience!

 

[Norbs12]

Lets get one thing straight: everyone has "the right" to all the things you mention and more. What they don't have the right to, is to force someone else to pay for that.

A businessman provides goods and/or services and does it in a way that people like well enough to buy. One of the things a businessman does is try to reduce his costs to maximize his profits. So if he finds a facility he can use that meets his needs but only costs half as much to rent, he goes there. If he finds a way of doing more work with less people, he does this. If he wants to increase volume he can reduce the end user cost then. And so on. All in the name of maximizing his profit.
But if you tax the guy and he has to meet that tax burden in addition to his normal costs, what do you think that is going to do? He has to further cut costs, or he has to sell more for the same money, or he goes belly up. Its not like he can just pick a different tax to pay, at least not without making some major adjustments (move to another state, or move outside the US). And if you decided that he was on the wrong side of that arbitrary "rich" line, and that he needed to pay even more tax, where is his incentive to ever serve the public in the first place?

This is what Bernie Sanders doesn't understand. Trump gets it, though for some reason his response is to "order" businesses to come back, or penalize the ones that move out of the country. Both of them need some education.

lol, I've attracted a trump hive... yes, trump gets we need racism at the core of our country. Please don't reply to me, I can only take so much stupid in one day.

 

[normanfox]

does he fully understands ramification of this back door?

a back door for FBI can be broken in by China, Russia. Senators, Governors, CIA iphones can also broken in and data stolen by terrorist, hackers, China/Russia.

it is not as simple as "hey, this door is designed for FBI uses only, OK?" and "china/russia and terrorist uses are not allowed"

The iphone is secured because it has no door to break in. once a door is created, anyone with talents and resources will break in eventually.

 

[Mums]

Because you're wrong. America has a history of putting security before its citizens' rights.
Check what happened to japanese-americans during WW2.
Check what happened during McCarthyism.

Those were both after America had been co-opted by Zionist interest, so they don't count. Next?

 

[CFreymarc]

So the right to basic health care and education is not necessary but fire dept and parks are?

There is a long course history of this. There is no "right" to healthcare per many Supreme Court rulings. You are responsible for the health of your body and not anyone else. Most of all, via free speech, you have the right to determine what is healthy and not the Fed.

That means accepting or rejecting many different schools or healthcare. Many in this country prefer alternative methods other than MD's such a Chiropractic and Herbalists. Also, many reject Psychology / Psychiatry and the DSM as a whole. Instead, they look at religious forms of counseling. The way that the fed has screwed up Medicare and the VA, I don't want any of that crap compulsory nor paid with my tax dollars.
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Those were both after America had been co-opted by Zionist interest, so they don't count. Next?

This thread has officially gone way off topic!

 

[kensic]

I have a four letter word and my longest finger for Donald trump.