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I applaud Apple's privacy stance on this matter.

If Donald and many others had their way, preferences dictated by circumstance would be the call of the day, instead of standing for rights regardless of circumstance.
 
Many here in the USA wonder about the supporters and policies of Angela Merkel. All it proves is that people living in other countries probably shouldn't comment on foreign politics and politicians -- more often than not they end up looking foolish.

well i for one just LOVE her stylish hair :)

probably shouldnt comment on foreign politics
thats pretty ironic coming from someone of the U S A. commenting is fine i would say, at least we dont bomb them and tell them how to live, believe and vote ;)

oh and before u get started on the nazis i should add "ANYMORE". lesson learned
 
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Many here in the USA wonder about the supporters and policies of Angela Merkel. All it proves is that people living in other countries probably shouldn't comment on foreign politics and politicians -- more often than not they end up looking foolish.

That's pretty rich. Perhaps the same rules should be applied to certain countries interfering with other countries foreign policies and politicians.
If only these countries just looked 'foolish', instead of destroying things they have no place to destroy.
 
Many here in the USA wonder about the supporters and policies of Angela Merkel. All it proves is that people living in other countries probably shouldn't comment on foreign politics and politicians -- more often than not they end up looking foolish.

You're free to wonder and comment so comment away or are you afraid to "more often than not they end up looking foolish"
 
Which is why I don't understand how it's even a topic here. Whoever brought it up and why, did so erroneously.

No idea.
My concern today is that my iPhone is displaying white squares and half of the screen (when the squares are located) don't get any touch input, up to the point that I can't enter my access code (no fingerprint since I have rebooted the phone).
Who cares about Trump/Hillary/Bernie/Ted when I have such problems!
 
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It's not about saving 15 people a year... it's about controlling millions of people, through fear, propaganda and media manipulation. They don't want educated people that can think for themselves, create alliances, challenge the current rhetoric and status quo. They want a dumbed down nation, far easier to herd. The same is happening here in the UK.

For sure. One of my business partners is from the UK and we get to trade stories about ridiculous government actions every time we talk. It's just sad that the general population can't see things for what they are. This isn't a conspiracy issue either - it's really just the way it is and we (the people) are complicit in allowing it to continue.
 
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The idea that Apple can be compelled to write software for a unique and new iOS essentially for the government to do its own investigation is humorous. It's not like Apple has had a "back door" to the iOS security and the government simply wants to borrow the key. They are ordering a business to create/author original software to compromise that business's own security system. A security feature that brings Apple consumers because there is an expectation of security and privacy sold with the product. To tell Apple they have to undermine a component of their own business model, to modify software that has been legally sold in compliance with federal requirements, is not reasonable. And I don't think the government's position will prevail in court.

On a positive note. If anyone doubted the security features of the OS, this should put your mind at ease. You can bet the FBI has been trying to come up with a way crack this for a bit, before publicly admitting that they couldn't access the data on the phone.
 
Uh, he is the frontrunner for a presidential candidate of the nation where Apple resides?

I wonder how a huge leap it would be for Apple to make itself an actual Irish company.
Close all Apple stores and sell online-only, iPhones are not produced in the U.S.

They can duck around U.S. jurisdiction if they really wanted to I bet.
 
It really doesn't matter who is "elected" as the CEO of the America Inc. The Board is still in control.

It's just a theatre of "democracy", a phantasmagoria.

Anyone serious in bringing prosperity, freedom and liberty to people in general should focus all energy on dismantling the Federal Reserve and start an economical system, based on real values.

Here is why: The Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin.

 
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So if a bank is presented with a court order to open a safety deposit box, they should just say no? That doesn't make any sense.

It's one thing if the government is asking Apple to give them a back door into everyone's cell phones. It's a different thing for a court to require that Apple comply with a court order to access evidence in a mass murder case.

Trump is right in this case and Apple is wrong.

That is exactly what this court (i.e. The government) is asking Apple to do. I guess you are too blind to see it.
 
I can't believe this thread is 15 pages long. Trump opened his mouth on this subject only because because God forbid Apple or anything or anyone else should top him in the trends on Facebook or Twitter... or for that matter in the bowels of the interwebz where serious hackers chat about their past, present and future opportunities to become you or me for fun and profit.

I don't agree that all iOS devices should have a backdoor into them, but what would be wrong with Apple having an in-house version of iOS that they can load onto a device so it can be decrypted. It wouldn't be a public iOS release, so hackers still wouldn't be able to get into your phone. Not sure if this is possible/realistic, just an idea.

It's not possible or realistic, and it's a really really really bad idea.

Haven't we learned anything since 2003 (when TIA was defunded by Congress but segments of it continued to operate anyway) or since 2013 when we realized that, plus worse, thanks to Snowden? And do we think it stopped?

The government now insists it doesn't want a backdoor version of software, it "just" wants the info off that one phone. Heck, I wouldn't mind having oe winning powerball lotto ticket without bothering to spend any money on bad picks.

Once some so-called in-house-only special version of an iOS exists, it can be subpoenaed with a regular search warrant. Apple is right not to try to come up with a workaround of its own security. The government of today might be honorable (or, not) but who's our daddy tomorrow? Nobody knows or can know. Why give a leg up on total power to the devil we don[t know yet? Once you set a precendent, it's a stepping stone.

Of course if the deal is that Apple provided a solution in exchange for the deniability of Cook's letter of "fake' resistance, then y'all y'all with nefarious stuff on your phones should revert to using burners, hand-to-hand couriers, etc. The rest of us don't have to worry about anything but the damn hackers who will steal that special tool for cracking iPhones for profit. But I think Cook is on the level and I think he's right.
 
I wonder how a huge leap it would be for Apple to make itself an actual Irish company.
Close all Apple stores and sell online-only, iPhones are not produced in the U.S.

They can duck around U.S. jurisdiction if they really wanted to I bet.
I believe anything sold in the US has to comply with US laws. Assuming Apple moves out of the US completely and also assuming that the courts require them to have a way to access an encrypted device, I would think that the product would then no longer be able to be legitimately sold stateside. I'm sure there would still be a grey market, or maybe not. I don't know. Seems like it would be terrible for business though. The US is a large chunk of Apple's income.

That's a whooole lot of ifs though.
 
Oh, and one thing that everyone in this thread has forgotten is simple:

Trump is basically parroting the Obama administration's line. After all, it's the Obama administration that's asking Apple to do this, not Trump.

So if you think Trump is retarded, then Obama is even more so, because he apparently was a law school adjunct.
 
I can't believe this thread is 15 pages long. Trump opened his mouth on this subject only because because God forbid Apple or anything or anyone else should top him in the trends on Facebook or Twitter...
To be fair, the discussion is less about trump and more a continuation of other threads here about iOS back doors and decryption capabilities.
 
... and for all that effort, just barely beat out an S&P500 index fund for how much money he made from his father's fortune over the course of his adult life.

Trumps supposed business acumen is (1) almost entirely artifice primarily buoyed by his heavily fabricated autobiography and media management efforts, and (2) entirely not applicable to how the Executive branch of the US Government works.

As for listening to others? You are getting hoodwinked by his Apprentice persona. Granted, his campaign guy-with-short-fuse-flying-off-the-handle act is also just a persona he has put on as that suits him now, but I see no evidence that Trump actually would govern like the person you are imagining rather than the person he is heavily selling to the American people.

Wollman Rink is a great story - more so a story of a corrupt and inept municipal department in New York which squandered over $12M on corrupt contractors than the vision of someone who said, "Hey. I bet they know how to make an ice rink up in Canada!", but a great story nonetheless. That was in the mid-1980s though. Trump's more recent efforts reek of squandered resources and managerial incompetence. Look up the Trump Ocean Club for a laugh of a story. If you want 1980's and 1990's nostalgia, delve into the story of Trump Airlines and his gross mismanagement (and refusal to bring in experienced leadership) there.

Which Trump would we get in office? I think given all the options, some amalgam of what he is selling the more knee-jerk contingent of the Republican party and what he has exhibited in his more recent business dealings is probably as good an expectation as any. But, who knows? Maybe we'll get an ice rink instead of a failed airline and bankrupt casino.

Let's also not forget :

He bounced a $ 40 million Czech
 
well i for one just LOVE her stylish hair :)


thats pretty ironic coming from someone of the U S A. commenting is fine i would say, at least we dont bomb them and tell them how to live, believe and vote ;)

oh and before u get started on the nazis i should add "ANYMORE". lesson learned
I should have been more clear -- IMO it's best not to comment on the internal politics and the politicians of foreign countries. And to be fair, the federal government here in the U.S. isn't dropping bombs on the locals, not yet anyway. :cool:
 
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I'm voting for Trump solely on his H-1B visa position. Clinton, Rubio, and Cruz are in the pockets of Apple/Facebook/Google who abuse the system (albeit through the use of outside contract agencies) to drive tech wages down. There's no requirement to recruit a citizen or green card holder before hiring an H-1B.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/FactSheet62/whdfs62Q.pdf

Just keep your iPhone on 8 and you'll be fine as long as you don't upgrade.
Apple will capitulate (via Al Gore's board "leadership") and add a backdoor in 9.??, but you'll be so desperate to get bug fixes that you won't know until it's to late.
 
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Yes there is. I'll give you a very simple example.

My password is: butterfly
My encrypted password is: utterflyb
My encryption algorithm was just to move the first letter to the end.

Can you figure out my password from just the encrypted version?

What if my encrypted password was: @#$^Y&@#$%
Can you figure out how I got that? Much harder, huh?

Just like a combination lock on a briefcase can be 3 digits long, it can also be 10 digits long. Which is harder to figure out?

As soon as you tell me your password was "butterfly" it doesn't matter what you did to make it "utterflyb", it is 100% insecure.
 
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