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To be fair, the discussion is less about trump and more a continuation of other threads here about iOS back doors and decryption capabilities.

Point taken. And most of my own post went in that direction as well. How far you think Trump would read, though? Thread title, my guess.

We could start a new thread. How SCOTUS Will Rule On iPhone CanOpener Issue. :p
 
Oh, and one thing that everyone in this thread has forgotten is simple:

Trump is basically parroting the Obama administration's line. After all, it's the Obama administration that's asking Apple to do this, not Trump.

So if you think Trump is retarded, then Obama is even more so, because he apparently was a law school adjunct.
Good point and that's what's funny about this whole thread. It's OK for Obama to demand the decryption yet Trump is an idiot for wanting the same thing. Entertaining to say the least.
 
No, we use taxes to pay for things like buildings or streets, something that is unfortunately necessary, socialism as you can see in my other post is quite different.

And the things, like free education for all, etc. that Sanders want sound great, until you start looking at the only way to pay for this is to go ultimately to communism. How else do you pay trillions of dollars a year that he wants to spend when we are already trillions of dollars in debt?

Yet we pay into Social Security. You know that social program that distributes wealth... Or how about we get rid of all social services like Child Protection, and Public Education.
 
I feel sorry for my American friends. At first I tought that Trump was just a good joke, but much to my suprize he's doing well in the polls. His remarks and behaviour is food for psychiatrist
 
I feel sorry for my American friends. At first I tought that Trump was just a good joke, but much to my suprize he's doing well in the polls. His remarks and behaviour is food for psychiatrist
Don't need to feel bad yet. It's a long way to the White House still and GW Bush was doing worse than Trump is at this point in the game.

I do agree, I wasn't expecting him to get this far. Even if I could get behind all of his policies, the lack of respect for anyone is just mind boggling.
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True, that's why it's so weird why he's doing so well in polls.
He's been able to bring out the fringe voters (i.e. The people who don't generally vote because nobody's as spoken to their ideologies). He's pretty far from a conservative IMO.
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Good point and that's what's funny about this whole thread. It's OK for Obama to demand the decryption yet Trump is an idiot for wanting the same thing. Entertaining to say the least.
We are assuming that the same people calling trump an idiot for this are not also calling Obama an idiot (or at least disagreeing with his stance on the matter). Thus far I haven't really seen evidence going either way. This being a thread about trump, people are talking about trump. Had the thread had Onamas name in the title, my gut tells me the discussion would be going in that direction (and probably little talk about trump).
 
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Point taken. And most of my own post went in that direction as well. How far you think Trump would read, though? Thread title, my guess.

We could start a new thread. How SCOTUS Will Rule On iPhone CanOpener Issue. :p

If the "right" side of the SCOTUS keeps passing away of "natural causes" then I'm pretty sure SCOTUS will rule in favor of more power being granted to the government. This will include giving the government access to your encrypted data or forcing companies to produce products with weak encryption.

I agree with Trump that Tim Cook should abide by the court order. The order was to open the encryption on one specific iPhone belonging to known terrorist scumbags. This doesn't give the government the "keys to the encrypted kingdom", as it were.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the recent legislation presented to restrict all phone encryption.
 
IMO this is as bad as students that say they want sanders solely because of his position on funding education. But that's certainly your right, as it is theirs.

Nope - Voting for government paid education is asking for a handout.

Demanding government not allow the undercutting of high skill wages is a sound market principle.

The H-1B visa abuse situation has decimated my profession because it allows undercutting the price of high value job skills - market principals dictate that when demand for something goes up, so should its price. Even Sanders understands this. So even though I'm a "Milton Friedman" conservative, I'll vote with the students for Bernie before Cruz, Clinton, or Rubio.

Bill Clinton took 260k from the Indian outsourcing firm HCL to give a speech - so Hillary is also bought and paid for....
 
Nope - Voting for government paid education is asking for a handout.

Demanding government not allow the undercutting of high skill wages is a sound market principle.
So my statement was based on voting for president solely on one principle of what he stands for. I disagree about publicly funded education equating with asking for a handout, but that's neither here nor there; it wasn't the point of my comparison. I don't feel a person should vote simply based on one bullet point, but I'm aware many do. God Bless America.
 
Trump is crazy. I pity you if he becomes a president of the United States. It will become a very dangerous world to live in.
 
the Fox News peeps are talking about this like they just know what the heck to do and what the iPhone does, etc. smh

Neil Cavuto said that the FBI doesn't even need a court order. They can just take the phone to the Apple store and someone in a blue shirt can unlock the phone in a minute and be done with it. smh

They are acting like a court order can make Apple unlock a phone that isn't even theirs.
 
The order was to open the encryption on one specific iPhone belonging to known terrorist scumbags. This doesn't give the government the "keys to the encrypted kingdom", as it were.
That's not true. The order was for Apple to create a version of iOS that disable certain security measures (including 10 try limit before erased), install it on the phone, and then hand it over to the FBI. Presumably, they would then get the NSA to brute force the encryption. So, yes, the government would have keys to the encrypted kingdom, as it were.
 
I feel sorry for my American friends. At first I tought that Trump was just a good joke, but much to my suprize he's doing well in the polls. His remarks and behaviour is food for psychiatrist

It's not only affecting Americans.

If an American policy goes through to allow "backdoor" access to MS, Facebook, Google, Apple, Dropbox, etc it affects anyone that uses these services.

If the American government demands "backdoor" access to this, so can the Chinese government or other parties that wants to protect it's interest.
 
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oh, that's was Trump looks like.. I imagined him as a fat bald guy. Didn't realize he had hair.

I agree with Apple.... trump keeps using the term 'open it up' all the time, we already know that, but he keeps repeating it as if no one heard him the first time.

Good speech by Apple, and while Apple can take that up on par to fight, they forget they are "in the U.S" and thus must comply with U.S law.....

Any company that stand for their right and feel strongly for users of smart-phones, but the law wins. It should be interesting how this tackle plays out.... Tim should be good enough to punch Trump in the nose (perhaps)..

it would be a good UFC match :D Trump in the red trunks.... Tim Cook in the black..
 
So my statement was based on voting for president solely on one principle of what he stands for. I disagree about publicly funded education equating with asking for a handout, but that's neither here nor there; it wasn't the point of my comparison. I don't feel a person should vote simply based on one bullet point, but I'm aware many do. God Bless America.
I would vote for any candidate that would immediately pardon Eric Snowden. Even Trump. Other than that, I completely agree with you! :)
 
That's not true. The order was for Apple to create a version of iOS that disable certain security measures (including 10 try limit before erased), install it on the phone, and then hand it over to the FBI. Presumably, they would then get the NSA to brute force the encryption. So, yes, the government would have keys to the encrypted kingdom, as it were.

Apple can break the encryption on that one phone without revealing how to break the encryption on all the other iPhones.
 
So if a bank is presented with a court order to open a safety deposit box, they should just say no? That doesn't make any sense.

It's one thing if the government is asking Apple to give them a back door into everyone's cell phones. It's a different thing for a court to require that Apple comply with a court order to access evidence in a mass murder case.

Trump is right in this case and Apple is wrong.

The software created to open this one iPhone could be used to open any iPhone. That's the point Apple is making and the point the government is either missing or being deliberately disingenuous about.
 
I can't tell you how much I hate the idea of Trump as President, and I think much of the world outside the US is behind me!

As for the iPhone, lets see how he likes it if Apple had a back door and someone walked in and stole his personal data?
 
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The order was to open the encryption on one specific iPhone belonging to known terrorist scumbags.

tbh it's not clear to me apple even CAN open the thing. how do you update a locked phone to apply any modification, even something simple like repressing the stored count of how many tries have been made to bust the passcode. Never mind a whole revised iOS w/ a backdoor on it.
 
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