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Just a thought... can Thunderbolt run on an Arm-based Mac? I thought that was an Intel thing...

I wonder if Apple can make a Thunderbolt controller for their A-series chips..? If someone knows, I’d be curious! I’ve invested a considerable amount between docks and external drives.
 
Just a thought... can Thunderbolt run on an Arm-based Mac? I thought that was an Intel thing...

I wonder if Apple can make a Thunderbolt controller for their A-series chips..? If someone knows, I’d be curious! I’ve invested a considerable amount between docks and external drives.

Thunderbolt 3 is one reason why I am still using Thunderbolt 2 and USB equipment. I would be absolutely fine with Apple ditching Thunderbolt 3. I personally prefer HDMI, Mini-HDMI, DisplayPort, Mini-DisplayPort, USB-C, etc. It would be a great time to make a break with this more-or-less proprietary interface.
 
I do need a new computer for business. Should I go preowned or buy 16” 2.4/2tb/64gb/5500 for $2760 all in?
 
I think this is pointless. Even considering the best case scenario: all major commercial programs are made compatible right away on launch, then you should expect performance issues or whatever at least at the beginning. Not mentioning thousands of software that would never be...
So if you work with creative suites then the answer is obvious. If you don't(just basic stuff) then yeah, you could probably wait even if all the advantages would be less obvious.
 
I was considering replacing my 2015 13" MBP with a new 13" MBA or MBP. Not urgent though, I suppose I can keep it a while longer.

Just depends. I wouldn’t spec out a Mac. This time I got a used 16 with apple care from a neighbor for 2k that sells for 2499 on amazon. She was past return. macOS isn’t growing on her and cash talks. Apparently the xps 17 caught her eye as well with a little help. Lol.

8 cores. Killer speakers. Decent screen. Best mbp ever imo. Will run all the software i need for years along with Windows.

Btw. That replaced my similar 2015 13” Mac. All I remember is it’s the last of the glowing logos, MagSafe, and good kb ones. Looking to get rid of it finally but still has appeal. A new 13” one still isn’t enough of a difference to me but 16”’is wow in comparison.
 
Just a thought... can Thunderbolt run on an Arm-based Mac? I thought that was an Intel thing...

I wonder if Apple can make a Thunderbolt controller for their A-series chips..? If someone knows, I’d be curious! I’ve invested a considerable amount between docks and external drives.

Thunderbolt isn't processor-specific. The controller can work with Intel, AMD, ARM, or even by itself.
 
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I'm still using my 2015 R9 mbp and it still works perfectly for my needs and about to upgrade to new 16" but knowing the announcement and looking back at the history powerpc to intel transition, the last powerbook G4 to support mac OS was for 2 years. Apple released it in 2005 and the last support for the machine was OSX leopard in 2007.
that's just 2 years of OS updates !

Quote from wikipedia :
"The latest version of OS X that any PowerBook G4 can run is Mac OS X Leopard, released in 2007.[1] When Apple switched to Intel x86 processors in 2006, the PowerBook G4's form and aluminum chassis were retained for the MacBook Pro."

Beginning to think I should hold off on upgrading and wait until apple deliver 16" arm mbp.

There will probably be many bugs and a lot of software that will not run.

My opinion only but I would hold off on an ARM based computer for awhile (not buy the first rev of a new design).

If you think that your current laptop is fine for many years to come, I would probably wait.

Otherwise the current 16" MBP is a nice machine.
 
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Indeed but that is when they are not transitioning to a completely different chipset.



I think many are, not so much caring about ARM specifically but people believe the hype and that will cause the resale value of intel machines to tank.

I'm hoping (but not holding my breath) that Apple will have a good trade-in program in 3-4 years to throw late Intel Mac purchasers a bone (similar to what they do with iPhone trade-ins, which is valued a little higher than 3rd party resellers actually!).

My 2013 MBP lasted me 7 years with all of the latest updates and I bought my 2020 MBP hoping that it'll last me that long as well, but honestly I think that I'll just get the latest updates for 3-4 years and "support" for another 3-4 years after that but will miss out on all of the new functionality of ARM integrated ecosystem (Phone, Watch, Laptop, etc.) that is bound to happen very quickly.
 
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I'm hoping (but not holding my breath) that Apple will have a good trade-in program in 3-4 years to throw late Intel Mac purchasers a bone (similar to what they do with iPhone trade-ins, which is valued a little higher than 3rd party resellers actually!).

My 2013 MBP lasted me 7 years with all of the latest updates and I bought my 2020 MBP hoping that it'll last me that long as well, but honestly I think that I'll just get the latest updates for 3-4 years and "support" for another 3-4 years after that but will miss out on all of the new functionality of ARM integrated ecosystem (Phone, Watch, Laptop, etc.) that is bound to happen very quickly.

I fully expect to get ten years out of my 2014 MacBook Pro. I can always run Windows on it. Same for my 2015.
 
I fully expect to get ten years out of my 2014 MacBook Pro. I can always run Windows on it. Same for my 2015.

Ha! That is true, and I'm right now I'm a dual OS user already (work laptop is only in Windows, which I'm on for 6-8 hrs a day, while my personal laptop, phone, watch, etc. are all Apple).
 
Just think like this.
We are still getting at least one Intel update for some of the machines.
Only from THAT point on you can expect support for at least 4-5 years. Anything less would be a major FU to users.
If they would want to drop the support quick as some of the doomsdayers here are claiming they wouldn't release several updated intel models in 2020. They would just wait few months and release arm like they said they will.
I have a feeling they do not know what to expect or they simply don't have the output so they are scaling the transition.

**yesterday there were over 20 refurbished 27" models in the apple store.
All gone today and all within 24 hours. Even those with fusion drive.
If you need a computer buy it. If you want to be a good guinea pig and pay a company to beta test their products then I would definitely appreciate the feedback so I know if gen 2 is good to go :D
 
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Just think like this.
We are still getting at least one Intel update for some of the machines.
Only from THAT point on you can expect support for at least 4-5 years. Anything less would be a major FU to users.
If they would want to drop the support quick as some of the doomsdayers here are claiming they wouldn't release several updated intel models in 2020. They would just wait few months and release arm like they said they will.
I have a feeling they do not know what to expect or they simply don't have the output so they are scaling the transition.

New Intel-based Macs in development = 21.5" and 27" iMac refresh

Apple also released a couple new Power Macs after they announced the transition to Intel. It didn't help with PPC longevity.

  • June 6, 2005: Apple announces transition from PPC to Intel.
  • October 19, 2005: Apple Introduces Power Mac G5 Quad & Power Mac G5 Dual.
  • October 26, 2007: Apple ships Mac OS X 10.5 "Leopard", the final release with PowerPC support.
 
New Intel-based Macs in development = 21.5" and 27" iMac refresh

Apple also released a couple new Power Macs after they announced the transition to Intel. It didn't help with PPC longevity.

  • June 6, 2005: Apple announces transition from PPC to Intel.
  • October 19, 2005: Apple Introduces Power Mac G5 Quad & Power Mac G5 Dual.
  • October 26, 2007: Apple ships Mac OS X 10.5 "Leopard", the final release with PowerPC support.

PowerPC was dead in 2007 while intel will still kick ass in 2030.
 
I would hold off on buying new or BTO. You should buy whatever suits your needs NOW (or a year or two into the future) at the lowest possible price (base model and/or older machine) so that when support inevitably drops, you haven't sunk a ton of $$$ into a top end machine that you had expected to last 10 years, and will now be a (expensive) paperweight in 5. Apple believes in ARM, and has decided that that is the long-term plan, and that support for Intel will wind down at some point, probably in a few years, so buying a Mac Pro probably isn't worth it, if we look at the PM G5, the last high end machine that was obsoleted in a few years after a major architectural transition.
 
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And Apple believes they'll kick everyone's asses in 2021. See the problem?
Hope they will cause we win if that happens but I still wouldn't worry about your intel machine for 4-5 years. If what they say is true you will sell it waaaay sooner anyway to put your hands on the super dooper ultra fast whatever fruit we get.
Also if you are a general consumer like for example 99% of my coworkers you will still be happy using core 2 duo and some mac from years ago. They can edit documents, print them, use email and shop on amazon and it is all they need. Now some are discovering you can print from your iphone which means they will most likely not even buy a pc / mac anymore.
Consumer does not equal geek in majority of cases.
 
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Yup, very good advice. I'm 90% confident now to wait for the 16" ARM mbp, the 10% in me is just itching for new mbp to play it because I have an almost 5 year old machine.

But when I bought my mbp back in August 2015 I never would have imagined Apple would change the platform like it did with powerpc and now my 2015 mbp performance more or less is on par with 2019 13" mbp so I'm guessing my machine could still get OS updates until Apple goes ARM OS all the way.

That means I could get the same OS updates with the current 16" with less performance obviously, but I can still get my work done.

Howdy Tankmaze,

There is no telling how long the wait will be for a new 16" MacBook Pro using Apple CPU. It could be two-years from now, and a lot could happen in two-years. Apple has yet to prove to the public that their CPU can perform as well as Intel (or AMD for that matter) in real-world applications. Showing synthetic GeekBench scores does not prove real-world performance. GeekBench always seems to favor multiple cores, the more cores you have, the higher the scores. Just take the current 16" MBP for example. The base i7 is clocked at 2.6 GHz, only. has 6 cores which means that it has more thermal headroom (less cores emitting heat), and runs at a higher base clock. The 2.3 GHz i9 gets a better score despite that the i7 is faster. I am NOT saying that the i7 is better than the i9, but a synthetic score would show that, based off raw numbers.

If you can (and want to) wait for up to two years, it may not be a bad idea. Personally, I want to wait until the products are in the real world, and see what Apple has done. There is no architectural reason that an ARM based system couldn't perform as well, or beat an Intel system, but this has yet to happen in the consumer space. Apple has a lot of work cut out for them, to make this happen. They will have to license technologies, and build their own things like PCIe controllers and potentially USB 4/Thunderbolt controllers to have expandability. They already have USB in the iPad and potentially the iPhone, so that may be the route they take, go straight to USB4. What is unclear to me at the moment, is if TB3 devices will work over USB4. If they do, no problem, but if not, a whole bunch of hardware will be useless for a new Mac. They will still need to have some way to allow for dedicated GPUs, which means some sort of graphics bus. This means PCIe, or completely custom GPU hardware, which would be a hard sell in the professional scene. Unless Apple has figured something out, that no other company. has, integrated video in their A-series SOCs, cannot compete with AMD/NVIDA on that side.

With all of that said, perhaps they have all of these issues licked, and we will all be pleasantly surprised with the results? It is possible :)

Rich S.
 
I'm stuck on what to do also:

- buy 2020 MBA
- or buy 2020 MBP
- or wait for Arm model

I tend to keep my Macs for a while (7 years for 12" PowerBook and nearly 9 years for current 11" MBA). I'm worried that if i get an Intel Mac now, it won't last as long as those because Apple will drop Intel support and Universal apps will stop at some point sooner rather than later.

Any thoughts on this would be most appreciated. Thanks.
 
I remember the doom and gloom of the PowerPC to Intel transition. The same is happening now. I for one am really impressed by the ARM chips. The FCP/LR/PS demo yesterday was impressive. Plus Apple has been using these chips for awhile on the iDevices. Yes, I am a tiny bit skeptical, but overall I am excited to see how powerful the upcoming MBPs will be. Also, my main working software is Adobe CC and they seem to be on track optimizing their apps. I am holding on my MBP 15" 2015 until the next generation arrives.
 
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