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Dont buy the new MBPr, most of them are flawed.
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Well, they refuse to exchange it. They said it is normal. It is in Apple's specification. That's problem. This is why that thread is so long in Apple forum. People are complaining and new comers who just notice Image retention when it got worse over time. People outside who don't really understand the problem. They just say we are silly and crazy about perfection. They just don't know what it is all about.
If I spent nearly $3000 on a laptop, you're damn right I'd be expecting perfection.
This is why I'm glad I decided to wait for rev 2 of the rMBP. It's a great laptop, sure. Probably one of the best I've ever seen. But being the first release to use such a hardware intensive technology in such a thin chassis? Yeah, there's bound to be a couple of bugs.
I'm right there with you, kind of glad I cancelled my order back then (luckily BTO took longer than expected), but that logic tells me to hope for a silent update / small spec bump too, as Haswell would be or could be the same whole game again.
I wonder though, if Apple ships their upcoming 13" rMBP with LGs? Sure they were produced a while ago, but I really hope that they take this issue serious and handle it appropriate and offer not just a useless instruction on the Apple store how to 'adjust' this.
My rMBP seemed to be perfect before the EFI update.
I had no IR, the GPU OC like a bandit and had no throttling what so ever. Now with the EFI updated, followed by a long phone call with Apple Support it seems my system was suppose to be throttling like this. (I called BS)
So I asked for a different tech and he was fully aware of what was happening. And Also suggested something was wrong with my System(Stil not returning it until and EFI update come around).
Although for now I can get the rated GPU clocks of 900/2508 (1254)Mhz by using Nvidia Inspector. So I am really reluctant to get thrown into the rMBP russian roulette.
The apple tech did say apple is aware of the throttling issue, but didn't state if they are going to be fixing it soon, and I thought that was kinda ODD.
I travel more then I would like to admit, and for me this is the best laptop I have ever had for that. I throw the adapter in my luggage, pack my Ipad and my rMBP in my back pack with iPhone in hand. And I never want for anything when traveling. If your a road warrior and want something you can game on, and travel as light as humanly possible then there is no competition. I have tried them all, From AW, HP (Envies), Dell's, Sony to Sager/Clevo (Clevo/Sager are the best at Performance to cost ratio, My son has the Clevo now) and nothing fills the niche I have like the rMBP. You will have to take this thing from me When I am dead. Other wise it's staying with me, hell my wife has my old 15" MBP, and I catch her on my rMBP all the time. Once you get used to the clarity of the screen, you can't go back.
I had no IR, the GPU OC like a bandit and had no throttling what so ever. Now with the EFI updated, followed by a long phone call with Apple Support it seems my system was suppose to be throttling like this. (I called BS)
So I asked for a different tech and he was fully aware of what was happening. And Also suggested something was wrong with my System(Stil not returning it until and EFI update come around).
Although for now I can get the rated GPU clocks of 900/2508 (1254)Mhz by using Nvidia Inspector. So I am really reluctant to get thrown into the rMBP russian roulette.
The apple tech did say apple is aware of the throttling issue, but didn't state if they are going to be fixing it soon, and I thought that was kinda ODD.
I travel more then I would like to admit, and for me this is the best laptop I have ever had for that. I throw the adapter in my luggage, pack my Ipad and my rMBP in my back pack with iPhone in hand. And I never want for anything when traveling. If your a road warrior and want something you can game on, and travel as light as humanly possible then there is no competition. I have tried them all, From AW, HP (Envies), Dell's, Sony to Sager/Clevo (Clevo/Sager are the best at Performance to cost ratio, My son has the Clevo now) and nothing fills the niche I have like the rMBP. You will have to take this thing from me When I am dead. Other wise it's staying with me, hell my wife has my old 15" MBP, and I catch her on my rMBP all the time. Once you get used to the clarity of the screen, you can't go back.
I agree with you. You most certainly have the right to have a machine thats flawless when your spending $3000. The general price for a laptop is from 750-1500. Apple wants to price their products at double that, then we as the consumers have the right to have a perfect product. its your money that you worked hard for.
I spent 4200 on my maxed out retina macbook pro and I work construction for a living. I work my ass off day in and out. So I hold a high value for the money I make.
Just because several rMBPs have some issues does not mean that the whole production line is faulty!
Ouch. That is medieval levels of usury. Of course going into any sort of debt to buy consumer knick knacks is not a great idea.
My experience is not like that at all. I demonstrated the EFI issue to one of the Genius guys in Los Gatos Apple Store, and they offered me a replacement, but I'm holding off because I have a lot of things on my rMBP that I don't want to set up all over again now. I work as a coder/developer, so my terminal and IDEs have all sorts of custom commands that would take a long while to incorporate into a new computer.
Asked him about possible image retention on the unit, and he said that if I have both image retention + the EFI issue, then it's an instant exchange.
And by the way, they do actually test for image retention with one of their test suites. Mine passed, but another customer nearby didn't, and that customer got a free shipment instantly (he had a custom BTO rMBP).
Not sure how you're being denied an exchange. Ask them to test for image retention, maybe?
American consumerism is driven by easy to obtain credit. A lot of the people who got into financial trouble when the housing bubble burst did so because they obtained loans that required little or no down payment. Many of those loans didn't even require proof of sufficient income. The loans had low payments for a few years until they "readjusted" and the new payments were higher than people could afford.
People just figured that housing prices would continue to go up and they would simply refinance before their old loan payments went up. But then house prices began dropping and the really easy credit went away. The housing pyramid scheme collapsed when there were no more people at the bottom who were able to buy an expensive house. If you owe more on your house than it is worth then refinancing is no longer an option.
You would think that Americans would have learned something from the experience but recent statistics show that we are borrowing more than ever.
If you can take advantage of a loan that is interest-free and you pay it off in time, then more power to you. But more people than you think charge more than they can pay off within the interest-free time period and then get stuck with interest rates that can go higher than 20%.
Is a maxed-out Retina MBP four times as capable as a $1200 MBP? Nope. Do most of the people purchasing those high-end Macs fully utilize all that computing power? Not Even Close... But every day on this forum there are folks encouraging others to buy way more Mac than they will ever need.
When you are talking about credit, time really does equal money. You can be a wage slave working your butt off to keep up with your bills. Or you can ignore the hype, spend within your means and have some freedom in your life. A lot less stress too...
People just figured that housing prices would continue to go up and they would simply refinance before their old loan payments went up. But then house prices began dropping and the really easy credit went away. The housing pyramid scheme collapsed when there were no more people at the bottom who were able to buy an expensive house. If you owe more on your house than it is worth then refinancing is no longer an option.
You would think that Americans would have learned something from the experience but recent statistics show that we are borrowing more than ever.
If you can take advantage of a loan that is interest-free and you pay it off in time, then more power to you. But more people than you think charge more than they can pay off within the interest-free time period and then get stuck with interest rates that can go higher than 20%.
Is a maxed-out Retina MBP four times as capable as a $1200 MBP? Nope. Do most of the people purchasing those high-end Macs fully utilize all that computing power? Not Even Close... But every day on this forum there are folks encouraging others to buy way more Mac than they will ever need.
When you are talking about credit, time really does equal money. You can be a wage slave working your butt off to keep up with your bills. Or you can ignore the hype, spend within your means and have some freedom in your life. A lot less stress too...
Actually, yes.
You're talking about "capability" there, not about whether people can "utilize" the machine to 100%. In terms of theoretical "capability", the quad-core Ivy Bridge chip in the maxed out rMBP is actually four times as capable, or at least twice as capable, as a dual-core chip in the 13" MBP or MBA you can get for $1200. That's not to mention you have a lot more visible pixels to work with on the rMBP compared to any other MacBook.
You are right, though, in that most people don't actually make use of that capability, but for those who actually DO make use of the capability, the rMBP is the much better choice compared to all other computers.
For instance, when I develop mobile apps, I really appreciate the fact that the rMBP can show the iPad Simulator at 1:1 pixel in Portrait mode, so I don't have to scroll up and down to see what it is I'm coding. Same goes for the iPhone 5 Simulator. On a regular 15" or 13" MBP, I wouldn't be able to show the iPad Simulator at 100% and see everything. If I scale the window down, then I am missing pixels that I shouldn't. If I show it at 100%, I have to constantly scroll up and down.
How about 30% of respondents reporting problems?
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1459427/
*I know this is not a blind survey or perfect poll but it is data...
I think that the "actual capability" of the rMBP is closer to twice as powerful vs. four times as powerful:
http://www.macworld.com/article/116..._retina_models_occupy_the_consumer_space.html
I don't doubt that in your situation an rMBP makes you more productive. If you are making money using a Mac then spending more can sometimes pencil-out as being a worthwhile investment. I can remember a time when a $6000 PowerMac had over $12000 of RAM installed and it was a worthwhile investment for the printer who actually profited from the increased capability of the upgraded Mac.
But the construction worker who spent $4000 on a "maxed-out" rMBP over-spent at least $2000, unless he happens to do some heavy-duty computing on the side... And there are a lot of people on this forum who spend money that they cannot afford to obtain a minuscule gain in performance.
It's 4 times as "capable" to me because I can see 4 times more pixels on the screen.
But in terms of performance, the GPU is actually more than 4 times as powerful. It's only the CPU that's "only twice as powerful".
And I don't disagree. But here's the kicker: does the construction worker absolutely need a Retina MacBook Pro? Is he forced to buy one? Does he just want it?
If the construction worker "needs" the machine, or is "forced" to purchase one, either because his job requires him to view very detailed CAD drawings, or because he is more productive with a more powerful computer, then... it actually "helps" his productivity, and increased productivity means increased return, right? So in which case, I think he still "gains". When you work in any field, I think any "gain" in productivity is appreciable. Be it small or not.
If the construction worker just wants the machine, then he has to rationalize the purchase. In which case, he has already thought about the loss and gain, and I don't think anyone can, or should, criticize him for his decision. They are not in his shoes. Who knows, he might have a secret bank account in Switzerland.
What I'm trying to say is... how you see the world is not how everyone else does. Maybe you don't find people's purchases justified, but it's their decisions to make.
I came across the article. The rMBP push to hardware limitation. With number of pixels, it has to drive 400% more. That is why apple has to overclock the GPU.
I have the retina MacBook Pro with the LG screen and have had ZERO issues. Best display and laptop I have ever used. I have owned mine since July of this year and use it every day.
Not the whole, just 50% or whatever percentage out there possess LG screens
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My 2 friends have rMBP with LG screens and they are just as beautiful and flawless as mine with Samsung! Stop giving poor statistics...
Disagree
Have they checked for IR with a dark gray desktop wallpaper? I GUARANTEE they will produce IR in the coming days, weeks, or months to come. I have received 11/13 rMBP units that were LGs, including the one I'm currently using and I have produced IR in each one between 2 days to up to 2 months. I even had 2 repairs of 1/2 being an LG display and it produced IR within a few days. In addition, over time the ghosting will get worse. You are very fortunate to own a Samsung, although I'm not entirely certain you own a perfect screen. You could probably have additional defects such as yellow/pinkish tints and especially backlight bleeding that I've seen on 3/4 Samsung screens I owned temporarily.
I will wait patiently for what Apple has in store for us this coming Tuesday. We'll see if Apple has finally made things right and resolved heat dissipation and display issues. It will be utterly disappointing if Apple continues to consider this anomaly being a "feature" since a 13" rMBP will accomodate more sales, possibly double or triple the 15" rMBP.
You won't know when the changes will happen with the rMBP. Apple will not detail design changes or time frames., other than "Improvements coming soon" vagueness. You'll read about it on tech sites.
Doesn't really matter, right? I mean... you're comparing HD4000 in MBA 13" to 650M in rMBP in that context. The rMBP would be inherently many times more capable if you do any CAD or 3D modeling.