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[Icy1007]

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I didnt say 04 office was major except to me but there a number of other programs that are incompatible with lion and users are complaining.

Stop.

A 7-year-old office suite is NOT a major program for any computer or software maker.

In fact, they couldn't care less.

And ... I'm willing to bet MS couldn't care less either - they will also tell you to ditch 2004.

If you were on an iPad, your typos would be fixed for you. I have a hard time believing you write any kind of books, especially with office 2004 which as the other poster said, is ridiculously slow.

 

[r.j.s]

I didnt say 04 office was major except to me but there a number of other programs that are incompatible with lion and users are complaining.

The post I quoted said office 2004 is a MAJOR program ... in caps ...

There is no reason to still be using an ancient software suite.

Even TextEdit in Lion is a better option.

 

[Nychot]

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If you were on an iPad, your typos would be fixed for you. I have a hard time believing you write any kind of books, especially with office 2004 which as the other poster said, is ridiculously slow.

If you know anything about an ipad which apparently you dont per your rude comment you can turn off autocoreect which makes stupid and annoying corrections, so i have it turned off thus some typos. Word 04 is great. I do basic writing with it and just chapter headers and page numbers. It does what its supposed to do and majir publishers are compatible with it. Slowness is nit a factor. So dont have a hard time believing.

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The post I quoted said office 2004 is a MAJOR program ... in caps ...

There is no reason to still be using an ancient software suite.

Even TextEdit in Lion is a better option.

Great you use text edit and i'll use word 04 and we'll both be happy.

 

[mountains]

Has there ever been an OS release that people haven't described as bloated and hardware-intensive? Surely I'm not the only one here who remembers people hating on Windows XP because it just used so much memory.

I'm sure there are analogues with earlier OS X releases, too, but I'm a relatively recent convert to OS X (just been around for SL/Lion).

 

[MBP13]

It's funny that he says he's a writer; yet, he, the OP, has constantly misspelled words throughout his posts. I guess that's why editors look over writers' work!

 

[Nychot]

My initial post was to inform anyone interested that you can easily downgrade from lion to snow leopard if you need to despite what apple says. Im not here to debate office. No more to say. Back to the giants game.

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It's funny that he says he's a writer; yet, he, the OP, has constantly misspelled words throughout his posts. I guess that's why editors look over writers' work!

They are called typos. Read my explanation.

 

[snaky69]

Ive been using word in office 04 to write probably 5 or 6 of 11 nonfiction bestselling books ive produced so i do not consider it slow and doesnt suck. It does vert well for me and im not about to go to ms word 11 which i hear is slow and has multiple issues.

Good for you. I can tell you this though.

Office 2011 is much faster and efficient than 2004 ever was, as it doesn't have to be run through a PowerPC emulator(Rosetta) before being displayed on your screen. Since it made to run on current hardware(not the PowerPC stuff that Apple used in 2004, which is 7 years ago, by the way) it is much more efficient in general.

I used to have office 2004 on my early 2008 MBP, it would take roughly 45s to a minute to actually open word, and anytime I had any complex formatting or formulas displayed on the document, it would slow to a complete and utter crawl, rendering word nearly unworkable.

Word 2011, for instance, opens in 5 seconds(just timed it, in fact) and I just did my internship report on it. A rather small 35 page document, that is riddled with mathematical formulas and pictures, with automatic formatting and such, all the things that would make word 2004 slow to a crawl. I can scroll through the document as fast as if it was through a PDF, and save it in seconds.

I think Apple was giving you a heads up to get with the times. Office 2011 is much faster, more stable, and more user friendly than 2004.

 

[Nychot]

you may be right. the reason i did what i did -- lion to snow leopard -- was to avoid spending $100 plus for office 2011 which only works with lion when word 04 is working perfectly for me. as a test reading your post i booted word and it came up in about three seconds!! i have about 110,000 words so far in my new project and it loads extremely fast, what can i say. i use '04 on my 2010 mac mini, on my 2010 imac and now on my base 2011 mbp. i dont you use anything else in office such as excel or powerpoint etc. my projects are straight text, no graphics, etc just page numbering and chapter headings so nothing complex. art, index etc is handled in post production by the publisher. so speed or anything else has never been an issue, at least for me. but i appreciate what you are saying.

Good for you. I can tell you this though.

Office 2011 is much faster and efficient than 2004 ever was, as it doesn't have to be run through a PowerPC emulator(Rosetta) before being displayed on your screen. Since it made to run on current hardware(not the PowerPC stuff that Apple used in 2004, which is 7 years ago, by the way) it is much more efficient in general.

I used to have office 2004 on my early 2008 MBP, it would take roughly 45s to a minute to actually open word, and anytime I had any complex formatting or formulas displayed on the document, it would slow to a complete and utter crawl, rendering word nearly unworkable.

Word 2011, for instance, opens in 5 seconds(just timed it, in fact) and I just did my internship report on it. A rather small 35 page document, that is riddled with mathematical formulas and pictures, with automatic formatting and such, all the things that would make word 2004 slow to a crawl. I can scroll through the document as fast as if it was through a PDF, and save it in seconds.

I think Apple was giving you a heads up to get with the times. Office 2011 is much faster, more stable, and more user friendly than 2004.

 

[DWBurke811]

If you're a author or whatever you're claiming, and $100 is breaking the bank, you're doing it wrong. Even if it were $1000, if you're writing best sellers, who cares?

 

[thunng8]

Good for you. I can tell you this though.

I used to have office 2004 on my early 2008 MBP, it would take roughly 45s to a minute to actually open word, and anytime I had any complex formatting or formulas displayed on the document, it would slow to a complete and utter crawl, rendering word nearly unworkable.

I find that very hard to believe unless there is something really screwed up about your Rosetta installation. I used to use Word 2004 on a '09 MBP and it opens in less than 3 seconds. Everything seems to work fast, in fact, for lots of tasks it seemed faster than Word 2008.

I've got Word 2011 now, and I agree, it is quite good and glad I upgraded, but Word 2004 on a semi decent computer is fast and unless you really require some of the new features of 2011, it works fine.

 

[snaky69]

I find that very hard to believe unless there is something really screwed up about your Rosetta installation. I used to use Word 2004 on a '09 MBP and it opens in less than 3 seconds. Everything seems to work fast, in fact, for lots of tasks it seemed faster than Word 2008.

I've got Word 2011 now, and I agree, it is quite good and glad I upgraded, but Word 2004 on a semi decent computer is fast and unless you really require some of the new features of 2011, it works fine.

My friends that had the same computer and the same version of Office experience the same sluggishness. There was nothing wrong with my Rosetta installation.

 

[Nychot]

If you're a author or whatever you're claiming, and $100 is breaking the bank, you're doing it wrong. Even if it were $1000, if you're writing best sellers, who cares?

Certainly its not breaking the bank. It would take a lot to do that, lol. I care because its unfair that apple wont let me use a pgm i'm happy with because they changed the os. So i got what i wanted. I'm happy with sl and word 04. Enough already. I guess i should not have mentioned what i did for a living because it seems to have brought out of the woodwork the snarky, the envious and the jealous
But hey partner deal with it.

 

[DWBurke811]

It's not unfair, it's just how technology works; Office 2004 is software that's 7 years old, and is obsolete. In 2002(the year), would you expect the version of Office that worked on Windows95 to work with XP? It's just how things are, software is updated and it's unrealistic to expect Apple(or Microsoft) to support obsolete software forever.


Also, Apple made it clear that PPC programs wouldn't be supported on 10.7. Now, I hate 10.7.2 way more than the next person, but dropping support of obsolete program architecture isn't one of my reasons.


EDIT: I couldn't possibly care less what you do for a living, or lack there of. I just found it funny that you "brag" about how many best selling books you have, then complain in multiple posts about having to buy a $100 program.

 

[sweetbrat]

No one here cares what you do for a living. I highly doubt that people are jealous. But people do find it funny that you say you're a writer and yet none of your posts have been written properly. You're the one that pointed out that you're a writer, thus opening yourself up to the criticism. Typos are one thing, and we all make them from time to time. But seriously, you need to learn to use capital letters and apostrophes. If the way you write here is anything like the way you write your books, I'd say your editor must get paid a fortune because you're just being lazy and making extra work for them.

Back on to the original subject of the post, yes Lion has some issues. Apple choosing not to use Rosetta any longer is NOT one of them. You're using software that is seven years old. You call Lion bloated, and yet you're upset because Apple streamlined things and chose not to include Rosetta, which most people don't use anymore. You said that there's tons of people complaining that MAJOR programs no longer work, yet the only one you named was Office '04. And by the way, Office '11 will work in Snow Leopard as well as Lion. Your statement that it works only in Lion is incorrect.

 

[swingerofbirch]

Lion's purring for me, just learn the new tricks of the trade. Eventually there will be a time where you have to upgrade because SL won't be supported forever.

Lion is the first Mac OS I've downgraded from, and I've used Macs for a long time. When I have to upgrade hardware, I will consider Windows on a Mac or PC hardware, and I will also re-evaluate Apple's current OS. I am trying to help Apple improve Lion, but Bug Report isn't working for me and they never respond--I've tried every avenue of contact I can think of, even calling corporate executive customer relations and they too were embarrassed they knew of no way to contact anyone for help with Bug Report besides the e-mail address no one at Apple answers.

Apple even refunded my purchase price of Lion, but I guess they don't care too much why it didn't work for me. I would think a company would want to know why a customer returns a product. I'm already bracing myself for, "Apple is the world's most successful company. Millions of people love their products. They don't care why a few loons don't." Sorry if I stole anyone's thunder; I just hate anticipating backlash which I see more of these days on MR, so I thought I'd try to get ahead of it.

 

[thunng8]

My friends that had the same computer and the same version of Office experience the same sluggishness. There was nothing wrong with my Rosetta installation.

Nothing like what I experienced. Anyway, I dug up a benchmark here:

http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.24/24.03/Office2008Benchmark/index.html

On average 2008 (native) performed 37% better than Word 2004 on Rosetta on a MacBook Pro. How you got a startup time of 45s is beyond me and is an order of magnitude (>10x) more than my time .

 

[dba415]

I am glad I downgraded from Lion back to snow leopard.

 

[Nychot]

http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/21/office-for-mac-isnt-an-improvement/

 

[r.j.s]

http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/21/office-for-mac-isnt-an-improvement/

You just said you don't want to discuss office anymore, and then you dig up this old article to fit your argument ...

NEWS FLASH: That article was from either: 1) before Office 2011 was released, or 2) immediately after it was released.

Either way, it is irrelevant now, as there have been a lot of improvements in the past year - most of them focused on speeding it up.

Eventually, you are going to have to either give up on 2004 and upgrade or never buy a new computer again. You won't be able to downgrade the next generation of machines to SL.

 

[Mojo1]

IMO there are much better programs for writing books, screenplays and research articles than word processing software such as Word.

I recommend checking out Scrivener at http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php. Only $45 and it is compatible with Lion.

It's got features that writers can really appreciate. Once the work of writing is completed, Scrivener makes it easy to compile a finished manuscript for export to Word, as an e-book and other formats.

Scrivener was developed by a writer for writers, and it's a winner.

 

[DWBurke811]

A single article from a year ago means exactly nothing, not only is it one article, it too, much like Office 2004, is obsolete.

It's fine if you want to use outdated software, but for everyone else that likes being relevant, it doesn't matter if it doesn't work with 10.7.

 

[Nychot]

A single article from a year ago means exactly nothing, not only is it one article, it too, much like Office 2004, is obsolete.

It's fine if you want to use outdated software, but for everyone else that likes being relevant, it doesn't matter if it doesn't work with 10.7.

huh?

 

[aristobrat]

My initial post was to inform anyone interested that you can easily downgrade from lion to snow leopard if you need to despite what apple says.

Your method of "Just make a Genius Bar appointment and pray that you get a Genius that won't follow Apple's guidelines" is neither easy nor likely to work for most, IMO.

 

[BLOCKMONSTER]

If you do a search you will find out, it's possible to go back to SL on a Lion preloaded MBP. All you need is the appropriate GREY restore discs for your specific MBP. Not the retail copy of SL. Insert DVD, boot from DVD, diskutil your hdd, install SL. Done. No big deal.

The grey restore discs are easy to find. Apple, ebay, friends... as long as it matches your existing MBP config.

 

[Nychot]

Your method of "Just make a Genius Bar appointment and pray that you get a Genius that won't follow Apple's guidelines" is neither easy nor likely to work for most, IMO.

I called ahead and spoke to a manager and he confirmed thay any of the geniuses would do the downgrade. I'm too cynical to make assumptions like you or take chances.








I wouldnt jyst take a chance and go there not knowing. As they say, duh!