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Whatever iPhone on stage should have been immaculate. Apple probably checks everything five times over before a presentation like this. It was really strange, but makes me wonder if whoever was setting up the tables accidentally turned on the display and it tried to scan their face multiple times. But wouldn't they have anticipated that?

Furthermore, whatever demo units were out for the hands-area should also be perfect and tested many times. Makes me worried about perhaps some faulty hardware in one of those new sensors like the dot projector, etc, and maybe yields are why the iPhone X isn't coming out until November 3rd.
 
More questions:
  • Will a picture of your face unlock your phone?
  • Can the phone tell the difference between identical twins?
  • Can someone hold the phone up to your face to unlock it while you are sleeping?
  • What if multiple people share a phone?

Apple answered these but they either are not good answers or not convincing.
 
More questions:
  • Will a picture of your face unlock your phone?
  • Can the phone tell the difference between identical twins?
  • Can someone hold the phone up to your face to unlock it while you are sleeping?
  • What if multiple people share a phone?
Watch that part of the presentation - your questions are answered there
 
3. Your friend could grab your phone, hold it up to your face and open your phone.

This is something that they'll have to come up with a solution to.

with TouchID or passcode, you have to be physically "attached" to the device to unlock. With faceID, you don't have to be. someone can point it at your face to unlock your device.
 
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In this instance, you would be picking it up to use it, right? Wouldn't that then authenticate? If you are just checking notifications, you can just tap, no need to unlock at that point. While we don't know how it will work in all scenarios, I don't think it will be an issue. In normal use, someone would pick up their phone and start using it.
 
I still wonder if they will integrate touchID next year if they get the tech down.

Touch ID will probably be phased out by all new iPhones in 2018 or 2019. I think it's just easier to save resources to get newer and more important features in a phone than an under the screen sensor. It's a hugely convenient concept, but I also think it is not make or break.
 
I truly believe it was the second explanation. Rebooted with no passcode punched in.

That being said, I'm having some serious doubts that FaceID will be better than TouchID.

I will be waiting for some solid reviews on this one.
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Face Recognition is a solution to a NON-EXISTENT problem....if your phone is stolen...facial Recognition is not going to bring it back to you.....but when it fails...you will be cursing Apple....no thanks...just one more hair brained idea to fail.
 
Who cares about a single keynote fail?

The successful attempts are way more interesting - they seem to be way slower than Touch ID.
That's the real issue here.

A single fail in something that's not going to ship for over 6 weeks is not my concern.

A single fail in a keynote in very controlled lighting that they probably rehearsed a dozen times is a special kind of single fail.


To add to this, from the iOS Security Guide:
  • The device has just been turned on or restarted.

  • The device hasn’t been unlocked for more than 48 hours.

  • The passcode hasn’t been used to unlock the device in the last 156 hours (six and a half

    days) and Touch ID has not unlocked the device in the last 4 hours.


  • The device has received a remote lock command.

  • After five unsuccessful attempts to match a fingerprint.

  • When setting up or enrolling new fingers with Touch ID.
The bolded point is why your phone asks for your passcode every week or so (unless you entered it/rebooted your phone at some point during that week), which wasn't in your original points.

You are going to suggest that you think no one did a dry run of this keynote ahead of time? My guess is they spent the morning testing and walking through everything several times. I don't buy the inactive for xxx hours theory.

There's a few scenarios/problems I see with this new FaceID.

1. Say I am in a meeting and I need to check a text message and I want to unlock my phone under my desk to glance at the message, this will now be WAY more obvious to my meeting guests. Hold On! I need to hold my phone up to my face.. That's going to be weird.

2. Let's say I am driving, wearing sun-glasses. Face ID isn't going to work that way either. Facial recognition doesn't work with sun-glasses. So I will be more distracted in my car.

3. Your friend could grab your phone, hold it up to your face and open your phone.

4. Also another issue, non-faceid related: Having a case on your phone, it seems like you won't be able to use the wireless charging?

5. They also didn't talk about how secure this biometric data is. Is it sent in any-way to apple. Can the CIA access the data? etc. I think they should have touched on that in the demo

All very good points, which goes back to why they would try to fix something that wasn't broken. They should have also included TouchID somewhere on the device.
 
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With FaceID, cops can just point your phone at your face while they have you in handcuffs then look through your phone without a warrant.

This is actually a good reason not to use Touch ID, also.

They could touch your finger to the phone just as easily, could they not?
 
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In this instance, you would be picking it up to use it, right? Wouldn't that then authenticate? If you are just checking notifications, you can just tap, no need to unlock at that point. While we don't know how it will work in all scenarios, I don't think it will be an issue. In normal use, someone would pick up their phone and start using it.

No I don't always pick it up. And my notifications are kept private such that the phone has to be unlocked to see them. Yes I know I received a message, but I don't want the contents visible by anyone but me. Often, in meetings, i don't want to be so obvious as to pick up my phone to use it, such as to cause a distraction. I'll sort of casually glance at it while keeping my focus on the speaker. i'll even reply without lifting it from the table. So no. Apple either has to ensure it works the same way or force its customers to change the way they currently sue the phone.
 
I think we grabbed or was given a phone that was never setup for FaceID, perhaps a phone he was going to use to demo how to configure it.
Not sure why the hyperventilation on the forum...
 
This is actually a good reason not to use Touch ID, also.

They could touch your finger to the phone just as easily, could they not?

No, they cannot do that. With your face, they could just hold it up and say -- 'is this your phone? Oh gee, look at that it unlocked!'
 
I have a multitude of TouchID failures on the first try. I use my hands a bit for work and sometimes my thumbprint is in "less than perfect" condition so it may take 2-3 tries for it to unlock.
I have had this issue since TouchID was introduced, across every iOS device with TouchID. Currently on the 7 Plus.

Do I jump to conclusions on TouchID not being 100% perfect? No
Am I going to jump to conclusions on FaceID not being 100% perfect? No

Am I expecting perfection from anything? No
Because having too high of expectation on anything will 100% lead to disappointment. Take it for what it is. Something new, something niche, something kind of cool. - That's it.
 
This is actually a good reason not to use Touch ID, also.

They could touch your finger to the phone just as easily, could they not?

Mmh, how do the authorities want to know which finger(s) is/are registered? In theory, you can use a finger not registered to touch id and force to disable it that way. This is impossible with FaceID
 
I don't know. I think after his initial failure (and I bet he wasn't trying to work out why the first phone failed at that point), he just decided to be extra safe and made sure his face was in full view of the camera. That's why his performance looked stilted and slow at that point.

In their video of the person in the pool though she specifically pulled herself up from the water and leaned over the phone. It's all tea leaves right now but I'm concerned.
 
This was actually my covert plan to discourage ya'll from buying an iPhone X on day 1 so there'd be enough for me to get one.
 
Stop yelling.... stop yelling... stop yelling... stop yelling...

People use phones in their car for navigation. Its the primary purpose of Apple Maps, Google Maps, Waze, etc...

Have you used Siri... ever? Its easy enough to just ask Siri whatever details you need? Really? Have you used Siri?

Yes, I have used Siri to read my messages, provide directions and search the web for answers to questions - while driving. It's not perfect, but it's better than taking your hands off the wheel to hold your iPhone, type and read whatever you're trying to do.

And as far as navigation in general goes, why would you need to be interacting with your iPhone while driving to use any navigation? Again, you get in the car, set your destination and go. If you need to change the destination while driving, it is easy to tell Siri to do that. Or to pull over or stop the car somewhere safely and type in details.

Distracted driving due to phone use is just as dangerous and deadly as drunk / drink driving. At some point in the future, it will be a moot point when our cars can do the driving for us, but until then, there is no reason to be using your iPhone (holding and interacting with it) while driving.
 
You have to wipe you face first, duhh.

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You are more right than you think! The problem was the makeup that Craig used on stage to avoid a shiny face with so many lights (like TV hosts wear on camera). After wiping the face with both hands the FaceID worked flawlessly.
 
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Still wondering about situations like wearing sunglasses... I think it will be cumbersome to remove your sunglasses to unlock your phone. May not seem like a big deal, but spend all day outdoors and have to remember to do that.

Second, I unlock my phone with Touch ID well before I even look at it currently. Now I will need to tap, look and swipe to unlock. Seems like a major step back in simplicity (which is a cornerstone for Apple)

That goes for Apple Pay too... currently you take the phone out of pocket, finger on home button and autenticate purchase. Now I will need to double click sleep button, scan face, then point to POS terminal?

Major step backwards in my opinion. I think when everyone has the phone in real world situations, they'll feel the awkwardness.

For this reason, I think I'll go to the iPhone 8 and wait for the iPhone X to evolve a couple of generations.
 
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