I read somewhere that you can only set up one face for it, so only you can open the phone.
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Doubts and Speculation Surround Apple's Onstage Face ID 'Fail' During iPhone X Keynote [Updated]
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I read somewhere that you can only set up one face for it, so only you can open the phone.
So you drive often without your eyes on the road?
And how exactly is keeping both hands on the wheel going to happen? With the included magical hovering device?
Just a reminder guys, this is BETA software he probably was using final software revisions has yet to come. Although it's most likely a security timeout IMO, the faceID software is not completely done. They're not scheduled to release until November which would mean final build will be due beginning-mid October.
Who cares about a single keynote fail?
The successful attempts are way more interesting - they seem to be way slower than Touch ID.
That's the real issue here.
A single fail in something that's not going to ship for over 6 weeks is not my concern.
The successful attempts are way more interesting - they seem to be way slower than Touch ID.
That's the real issue here.
A single fail in something that's not going to ship for over 6 weeks is not my concern.
And just to Hammer the point home, this is what it says after a number of failed attempts...This is what a Touch ID iPhone displays when the iPhone has been restarted and you attempt to unlock it with Touch ID:
This is what Craig's demo Face ID iPhone displayed when he attempted to unlock it with Face ID:
The word restart isn't included. So, I think the whole "it was restarted" theory can be thrown out the window.
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If it is not as functional as what it is replacing, it is hardly worth $1000. Sorry. Go scream at someone else.
The phone has driving directions in it. If it wasn't meant for car use, it wouldn't.
If people didn't use cell phones in cars, there would be no CarPlay. Your response is pointless.
good. STOP USING YOUR PHONE WHEN DRIVING!
Adn everytime you cry about using the your phone in the car is going to be harder, I'm going to keep yelling STOP USING YOUR PHONE WHEN DRIVING!
and I encourage everyone else on these forums to do the same.
STOP USING YOUR PHONE WHEN DRIVING![/QUOTE]
Going further on this point, iOS 11 disables the iPhone when it detects that you're driving. Sure, you can force it to allow you to use it, but you shouldn't be doing anything other than driving. And if you absolutely need to know what's happening on your iPhone, it's easy enough to just ask Siri to tell you whatever details you need.
Adn everytime you cry about using the your phone in the car is going to be harder, I'm going to keep yelling STOP USING YOUR PHONE WHEN DRIVING!
and I encourage everyone else on these forums to do the same.
STOP USING YOUR PHONE WHEN DRIVING![/QUOTE]
Going further on this point, iOS 11 disables the iPhone when it detects that you're driving. Sure, you can force it to allow you to use it, but you shouldn't be doing anything other than driving. And if you absolutely need to know what's happening on your iPhone, it's easy enough to just ask Siri to tell you whatever details you need.
Cool! I lost about 18-20 pounds a couple of summers ago from rushing around to fill those rings. I gained most of it back after having a surgery and lying flat for a few weeks, though. I joined Nike Run Club and even just recently got my very first pair of Nike running shoes. But that's really more of wishful thinking on my part and makes me a target of good natured mockery from my family because my knees are awful. I can manage a good sprint now and again, and I can run enough to practice soccer with my kid and that's about it. I keep trying though. One of these days I'm going to pull a Forrest Gump on everyone!
It was reported by a couple of sources that Apple wanted to build Touch ID behind the glass. That would've been great, alas it was not to be. No matter how great Face ID is, by definition it needs to see your face to authenticate, which makes it less convenient than Touch ID.
My biggest concern is that Apple being Apple will NOT continue working to include Touch ID in the next iPhone, but instead will get fully behind Face ID. Because courage.
My biggest concern is that Apple being Apple will NOT continue working to include Touch ID in the next iPhone, but instead will get fully behind Face ID. Because courage.
Tim Cook's phone was used to show security feature.
Yesterday at a media event held in Apple Park, Apple announced its much-anticipated all-screen 5.8-inch iPhone X, which features a next-generation facial authentication system called Face ID for unlocking the smartphone in lieu of a home button with Touch ID.
During the keynote at the Steve Jobs Theater, Apple software engineering chief Craig Federighi took to the stage to demo Face ID. However, much to his chagrin, the facial recognition technology appeared to fail at his first attempt to unlock the iPhone X, forcing Federighi to switch to a backup device to get the demo moving.
Some observers have leapt on the moment as an indication that Face ID is unreliable or a yet-to-be-perfected technology that's unfit to replace Touch ID fingerprint authentication. Vice News even went so far as to link the onstage incident to a sudden drop in Apple's share price. Since the demo aired, however, three competing theories have been put forward to explain the apparent "failure".
One theory is that Apple has adopted the same reboot security measure on the iPhone X that is found on iPhones with Touch ID, and this is what stalled Federighi's Face ID demo. The moment when he tries to unlock the iPhone X with his face, a closer look at the presentation screen reveals the words "Your passcode is required to enable Face ID". As several contributors on Quora have pointed out, a similar message is seen when an iPhone with Touch ID is first switched on, or if the phone hasn't been used in the last 48 hours.
This suggests someone forgot to enter the passcode on Federighi's iPhone X after a reboot. But if that were the case, the message likely should have stated, "Face ID requires your passcode when iPhone restarts", which more accurately reflects the equivalent message Touch ID phones display after a reboot.
Another theory put forward is that several unsuccessful attempts had already been made to unlock the device prior to the onstage demo, since Federighi only tries to authenticate Face ID twice before the passcode screen appears, whereas Touch ID takes five consecutive failed attempts before requiring a passcode. It's possible, but unlikely, and doesn't really explain the two failed tries witnessed by the audience.
The third, more concerning explanation, of course, is that Face ID simply failed to recognize the Apple executive, suggesting the feature has accuracy issues that the company is still working to resolve. Indeed, while Face ID was generally lauded by the media during hands-on iPhone X demonstrations after the keynote, at least one journalist reported "plenty of missed unlocks", and even problems activating Face ID that were only resolved after repeatedly turning the display off and on again, which they called "a little worrying". A similar issue may have befell Federighi on stage.
Apple claims Face ID can recognize a user's face under a variety of conditions and in poor light, despite everyday changes in appearance, such as applied make-up or beard growth. It is also said to boast a mismatch error rate of 1 in 1,000,000, compared to 1 in 50,000 for Touch ID, thanks to multiple neural networks built into the iPhone X's dual-core A11 bionic neural engine. With the iPhone X officially up for pre-order on October 27, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.
Article Link: Doubts and Speculation Surround Apple's Onstage Face ID 'Fail' During iPhone X Keynote
Your response shows you have NO CLUE what you're talking about.
you can still use your phone for driving directions. Get a phone dock and put on your maps, and dock it. You will still get maps and turn by turn direction without th eneed to constantly unlock and handle your phone.
Anyone using Apple car Play doesn't need to be picking up their phone. Car play puts the apps that are usable while driving on the car's head unit. There's NO NEED TO UNLOCK YOUR PHONE.
again. you're trying ot make excuses why you should be able to use your phone's handset while driving.
STOP USING YOUR PHONE WHILE DRIVING. it's reckless. It's dangerous, and your self centred whining isn't going to suddenly change anyones mind.
DON'T USe YOUR PHONE WHILE DRIVING.
I'm 100% certain Apple intended to include both technologies (FaceID and TouchID) on the same device for at least one or two generations in order for people to get use to the new tech BEFORE they pull the plug on the "old" tech. But it's pretty clear from the rumors that have been circulating since Spring that they failed to get TouchID to work through the screen and therefore ended up axing it in favor of FaceID, which unfortunately is not yet mature.
To add to this, from the iOS Security Guide:
- The device has just been turned on or restarted.
- The device hasn’t been unlocked for more than 48 hours.
- The passcode hasn’t been used to unlock the device in the last 156 hours (six and a half
days) and Touch ID has not unlocked the device in the last 4 hours.
- The device has received a remote lock command.
- After five unsuccessful attempts to match a fingerprint.
- When setting up or enrolling new fingers with Touch ID.
There's a few scenarios/problems I see with this new FaceID.
1. Say I am in a meeting and I need to check a text message and I want to unlock my phone under my desk to glance at the message, this will now be WAY more obvious to my meeting guests. Hold On! I need to hold my phone up to my face.. That's going to be weird.
2. Let's say I am driving, wearing sun-glasses. Face ID isn't going to work that way either. Facial recognition doesn't work with sun-glasses. So I will be more distracted in my car.
3. Your friend could grab your phone, hold it up to your face and open your phone.
4. Also another issue, non-faceid related: Having a case on your phone, it seems like you won't be able to use the wireless charging?
5. They also didn't talk about how secure this biometric data is. Is it sent in any-way to apple. Can the CIA access the data? etc. I think they should have touched on that in the demo
1. Say I am in a meeting and I need to check a text message and I want to unlock my phone under my desk to glance at the message, this will now be WAY more obvious to my meeting guests. Hold On! I need to hold my phone up to my face.. That's going to be weird.
2. Let's say I am driving, wearing sun-glasses. Face ID isn't going to work that way either. Facial recognition doesn't work with sun-glasses. So I will be more distracted in my car.
3. Your friend could grab your phone, hold it up to your face and open your phone.
4. Also another issue, non-faceid related: Having a case on your phone, it seems like you won't be able to use the wireless charging?
5. They also didn't talk about how secure this biometric data is. Is it sent in any-way to apple. Can the CIA access the data? etc. I think they should have touched on that in the demo
I don't know. I think after his initial failure (and I bet he wasn't trying to work out why the first phone failed at that point), he just decided to be extra safe and made sure his face was in full view of the camera. That's why his performance looked stilted and slow at that point.
I am sure it was one of the two explanations. If it just didn't recognize him, nothing would happen. Instead it prompted him to enter a passcode first. Either way, I was happy with it thereafter and the hands on people afterwards said it worked well. Almost too well considering you can just point it at someone's face. I don't really see it as an issue though in my day to day life. iPhone X looks pretty amazing to me after seeing all the hands on videos.
Apple doesn't take something away just to put it back in next year. That's an admission of failure, and Apple is WAYYYY too proud to do that. I wish they would, but unfortunately TouchID is long gone, at least in the iPhone X.
People are worried about it because its unproven tech that REPLACED proven tech, and controls the security of the phone... and its noticeably slower than the proven tech during the keynote.
All the "videos from the hands on area" are of little value. If they just trained it to their face and then used it standing in the same spot, it should work. But try then using it in different lighting situations, in different usage situations, with daily changes in your face (stubble, sweat, etc.) and wearing different hats, glasses, etc. Your fingerprint is pretty constant other than when your hand is wet, and you can easily place it on the sensor while you are pulling the phone out of your pocket or purse.
To me, there was nothing broken with TouchID... it was great tech... and they have REPLACED it with something that can't possibly be faster (unless you can get your face into your pocket). I also believe the 1:50K vs. 1:1M is going to result in it having a lot more false failures. Its not really necessary to have better than 1:50K to be secure, unless you are regularly standing in a group of 100K people that are handling your phone at the same time.
They broke the cardinal rule... "if its not broken, don't try to fix it.".
Me too. It seemed kind of awkward for Craig at the time; Pick up phone, point to face, open eyes, stare, wait, then swipe up. It also looked like it was a real juggling contest to keep from dropping the phone when swiping up with the same hand holding the phone.
I often use Touch ID when the phone is on the desk not pointing to my face. I too think they abandoned Touch ID too soon.