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Dr. Dre Addresses Abuse Accusations With Apology, Apple Releases Supporting Statement
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So, you don't like rap from people that grew up in the ghetto, talking about things there. Gotcha. I bet you think that actors on TV are the same as the characters they portray. All of the nihilism in other genres gets a pass tho, but not this n****r sh*t...is that it?
His CV, production credits, grammies, etc...
And he's actually produced some pretty good *music instrumentally* regardless of the lyrics...and is quite prolific in this regard...
For the record, Dee has stated that she's happy it wasn't portrayed in the movie. Also, this isn't some "dark secret" being covered up in ANY way. It is a *well known* incident, albeit from 25 years ago.
This also was NOT the first time he's publicly acknowledged or apologized for these things...
Doesn't look like he's changed much at all. Seems to resemble the same "man" to me. Only difference now is, he's likely got high priced professional babysitters to keep him mostly out of trouble. The never-ending pile of "keep-silent" bribe money probably helps as well.
Including this one, I've written 6 posts on this topic. If you can find an apology or excuse for Dre's behavior in any one of them, I'll own it. I'll save you some time. You won't find it. Apple apologist? Ha. Nothing in my post history would support that assertion. May I suggest you re-read my quote. I wrote that you don't know if he wrote the lyrics you attributed to him. Those lyrics were the basis of your argument that he didn't write the apology. I said you can't base your argument on those lyrics because it's possible he didn't write them.
F w/Dre - 6 writers credited
B's aint Sh*t - 8 writers credited
S#%ttin on the world - couldn't find info on writers
FU - 5 writers credited
Murder Ink - 3 writers credited
Bolded from your quote - LOL indeed. Nothing in my quote suggests I said that. Absolutely nothing. I did say that you can't assume he didn't write the apology based on the writing style of rap lyrics. An apology would have a different style. Nothing about the apology's author can be ascertained from an examination of those lyrics, whether he wrote them or not. That's like saying Dr. Seuss couldn't write a science paper without rhyming - because, you know, 1 fish, 2 fish, red fish, blue fish.
That premise is absurd regarding both Dr.'s Did he write it? I have no idea. Neither do you, and your lyrical "evidence" isn't the answer you seem to think it is.So...let's have a look at this then, hmmm?
In this video, he's doing absolutely nothing what so ever but hanging out with a bunch of other rich Hollywood types including a top male fashion model and the director of The Italian Job.
But I bet *you* thought he was hangin' out with a bunch of his "homies" from the "hood" huh?
See? This, right here.
Most of us have done things we're not proud of, and apparently he's as human as the rest of us. Who would have guessed? It takes a strong man to work to overcome his problems like this. I support this guy.
I respect the man for making such a public apology. It certainly wasn't required of him to do so.
Seems the world now loves to kick a man when he's up OR down. People are so willing to unrelentingly point out someone else's every mistake and flaw. But when you try to tell someone of their own bad ways; they just turn it right back on you, so it's pointless.
Probably because it happened like a quarter of a century ago and since then, he's become a prolific music producer, a multi-Grammy winner, built a product and brand based on something *they* cared about (music accessories...as opposed to sneakers, which was the first idea), was a business parter with someone who is LEGENDARY in the music industry (Iovine) and had been for many years, was tried, convicted and served whatever time and penalties for what he did all those years ago, has decried these things in the past publicly both in his work and in separate public statements, has been married to the same woman for nearly 20 years that seemingly hasn't seen the reason to divorce him (but definitely kicked her previous husband to the curb) and hasn't been remotely involved in anything like these acts for the better part of 20+ years?
That might have something to do with it
-K
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Peer reviewed does not equal published. A doctor is someone who has reached a certain level of academia. An MD has been peer reviewed via boards and other exams. Many of these people, medical doctor or not, spend nearly a decade of their life acquiring these credentials, and in my opinion, it's disrespectful to not use the title without their explicit instruction. Why? When someone dedicates a significant portion of their life to something, going so far as to demonstrate their expertise, they have the right to be called by whatever title they choose.
I don't have a problem calling someone who sails a boat Captain Harvey, if they do it because they earned the title. If a professional driver wants to be known as Driver Harvey, then we should respect that.
His Airness isn't a title? Well no, it's not. That's true. It's a nickname. Just like King James. The difference is the origin of the name, and who first began using it. That wasn't my point though. Michael Jordan earned his championships. If he wanted to be called "Six Time NBA Champion Michael Jordan" no one should consider that pretentious because he earned the right to use that title.
Titles streamline the process of presenting credentials. These titles help us understand who has demonstrated expertise and who has not. It doesn't tell you where or why they have the title, because that is what the credentials are for. I've never seen a title on a driver license, but I have seen one on a dinner reservation. If someone went through the effort to earn the title I will respect that and use it when addressing them.
And just so we are the same page, pretentious means attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed. It is not pretentious to call yourself Doctor, if you possess a doctorate.
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You wrote this screed about *this guy*...just so you know...
"Dr. Dre"
I do not think it could be any more clear that this guy was not pretending to have a Medical Degree or Advanced Degree of any sort and was using a Stage Name
You're Welcome. Please, do enjoy your weekend...I'm having a nice Rye now myself...
-K
Seriously??? Dre. Has been making millions even before the Apple/Beats deal WITHOUT apologizing for his behavior. What damage control do you think he needs now? For all we know, he could've already apologized personally years ago.
LMAOOOOOO @ anyone really upset at a PRODUCER/RAPPER using the title "Dr."
Pretty sure nobody is mistaking him for a real doctor.
And I'm 100% positive that Dre didn't adopt that title in an effort to present himself as a real doctor.
I'm genuinely tickled and baffled at someone taking issue with his name. HE'S AN ENTERTAINER.
Pretty sure nobody is mistaking him for a real doctor.
And I'm 100% positive that Dre didn't adopt that title in an effort to present himself as a real doctor.
I'm genuinely tickled and baffled at someone taking issue with his name. HE'S AN ENTERTAINER.
I don't think anybody, least of all Dre, is trying to make excuses or justifications for his past behaviour. However, people tend to grow up and what has happened to Dre is exactly what has happened to many other popular musicians who have grown out of their wild ways. He's extremely unlikely to be a repeat offender. 25 years ago the business milieu Dre was involved in involved things like shootings, beatings and Suge Knight threatening to kill people over contracts. I doubt that's happening in Dre's current job at Apple.
Someone made a comparison with Steve Jobs earlier. Jobs behaved appallingly as a young man and it cost him his company. The Steve Jobs who came back to Apple and was so successful had done an awful lot of growing up.
That makes about as much sense as criticising Ozzy Osbourne for promoting devil worship.
The director actually strongly disagreees with you, at least on paper. According to the director himself being interviewed about the making of the movie (emphasis mine):
Tupac is not in the movie because a sequel of Straight Outta Compton focusing on him and additional artists' careers is already planned.
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I find it amusing that all this white skin is suddenly outraged over little black Dee Barnes for an encounter she had with Dr. Dre over 24 years ago...
Only after he became the first black hip-hop billionaire...
Only after he became the first black hip-hop billionaire...
It's no secret to anyone that actually follows hip hop and actually watched "Pump it Up" back in the day.
It's that white privilege starting to show it's face again. Like they discovered this, so only now it's real...Forget the thousands of times this has been discussed among black people since the day it happened.
For the record, she stated that an explicit portrayal would have been too ugly for a general audience, but the facts should have been addressed in some way nonetheless (emphasis mine):
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I just read her full account in that article of the years afterward. It does make one question the sincerity of his "change". It's at the very least a harrowing tale and as a migraine sufferer myself who had also had my head bashed around growing up in a rough environment, I sympathize with the lifelong aftereffects she's had to deal with from such a brutal beating. Her blacklisting from the business apparently lasts to this day.
She makes some intelligent and telling points about Dre's continued failure to acknowledge the contributions of women to his work. But there is more than her side to that and it would be interesting to hear what other women who have worked with him have to say.
