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The title "Dr." doesn't actually have any meaning today, other than we politely entertain doctors' pretentious desires to be special. It would be a misrepresentation of his credentials if he put down a medical degree or a doctorate degree under the list of his education on his C.V.

It might be a misrepresentation of his credentials, as well as several other crimes, he responded to a plea for medical help from someone injured yelling "I need a doctor!" and began trying to administer medical aid. However, I doubt he would do that...

Dr. has no meaning??? here u cant give lectures or grade bachelor theses unless you got a dr. to name a pretty basic example
 
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That might be one of those 1 out of 100 situations. But when it comes to things like...



...this? No. Consequences do have actions, sure. But the joke, while tasteless, was entirely misinterpreted, and the resulting punishment far exceeded the crime.

I'm of the opinion that you can call people stupid on the internet, and disagree with them until the cows come home. But when you start messing with someone's livelihood just because they said something you didn't like? There's no excuse for that.

I don't know anything about the incident you are describing and I've mentioned that people do overreact but...if she hadn't posted in the first place, nothing would have happened...
 
I don't know anything about the incident you are describing and I've mentioned that people do overreact but...if she hadn't posted in the first place, nothing would have happened...

To me, that's kinda like saying "yeah, that kid might've ended up getting his skull caved in, but if he didn't flick that guy in the nads with that Tonka truck, it never would've happened".

There's that other story about that one woman who heard two guys behind her making stupid, juvenile jokes about dongles or something at some industry even or another. Instead of giving them a death glare, then rolling her eyes like she should've, she went straight to the internet to try and start a shaming event. It ended up blowing up in everyone's faces. The whole thing was 15 different kinds of dumb, and three people lost their jobs because of it.

Actions do have consequences, but they should be proportional.

As for the women I mentioned earlier on, here you go. To me, it's endemic of everything that's wrong with the internet mob scene.
 
Yup can't understand why Apple a company who was headed by a guy that went out of his way to deny his own daughter. And pay the least amount of child support as possible, would do business with a guy like Dr. Dre.

Yup, can't understand why.....

Exactly. How many COUNTLESS times have all of us seen some of the most brilliant people on the planet be as fallible as regular everyday people??? Is ones talent defined by ones "behavior"? If so a TON of historic masterpieces should be destroyed.

Did somebody say AMADEUS???

Some of "you" need to turn your comments into "I" statements and look into your own closets, attics, and mirrors.. Some of the biggest finger pointers in history are themselves the worst offenders.
 
That's a real apology. No excuses, admits fault, and shows that he's trying to be a better man.

I admire that he realizes that he made a mistake, and respect him for working to be a better man.

I don't know what he's done in the last 25 years, but I hope that it shows him progressively becoming better.

This isn't an apology. This is nothing more than a damage control, corporate attorney concocted, protect interests, phony apology. It was done to protect income and earnings of Dre and all those affiliated. He's had 25 years to apologize, and only now, with big corporate connections and interests, does this bogus apology come. What a joke.
 
I take it you know his writing style well, as well as his lawyers to be able to spot the difference. Correct? Well then, I can certainly understand your viewpoint. I'd prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt rather than be cynical and expect the worst. Perhaps he's full of ****, perhaps he's not. I can understand what he's saying, so I personally hope he's being honest. This may surprise you, but even a wealthy man can tell the truth.

Here are a few examples of his writing style, if you're not familiar. Favorites such as:

"Fu** Wit Dre Day"
"B*tches Ain't Shi*"
"Sh"ttin' On The World"
"Fuc* You"
"Murder Ink"
and many others.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/drdre/****witdreday.html
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/drdre/bitchesaintshit.html
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/drdre/shittinontheworld.html
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/drdre/****you.html
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/drdre/murderink.html

I think it's safe to conclude that his lawyers wrote the apology.
 
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To me, that's kinda like saying "yeah, that kid might've ended up getting his skull caved in, but if he didn't flick that guy in the nads with that Tonka truck, it never would've happened".

There's that other story about that one woman who heard two guys behind her making stupid, juvenile jokes about dongles or something at some industry even or another. Instead of giving them a death glare, then rolling her eyes like she should've, she went straight to the internet to try and start a shaming event. It ended up blowing up in everyone's faces. The whole thing was 15 different kinds of dumb, and three people lost their jobs because of it.

Actions do have consequences, but they should be proportional.

As for the women I mentioned earlier on, here you go. To me, it's endemic of everything that's wrong with the internet mob scene.

People not taking responsibility for things is endemic of everything that's wrong with the world.
 
Here are a few examples of his writing style, if you're not familiar. Favorites such as:

"Fu** Wit Dre Day"
"B*tches Ain't Shi*"
"Sh"ttin' On The World"
"Fuc* You"
"Murder Ink"
and many others.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/drdre/****witdreday.html
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/drdre/bitchesaintshit.html
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/drdre/shittinontheworld.html
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/drdre/****you.html
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/drdre/murderink.html

I think it's safe to conclude that his lawyers wrote the apology.
I think it's safe to conclude you don't know much about the music industry. There's no guarantee he wrote the lyrics to any of those songs. He certainly didn't write for NWA; Cube did. The music industry has people who do nothing but write lyrics for other artists. For the sake of argument, let's say he did write those lyrics. How could you say, because he wrote the lyrics, he couldn't write the apology? :confused: Is the assumption that he would write the apology in the same style as gangsta rap lyrics? If it is, that's a pretty poor assumption. That leap in logic would have to cross a chasm to land on firm ground.
 
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Oh yes, here we go again... Apple/Cook the exploiter. Yea, your right. Apple is Foxconn's only customer etc etc etc etc etc.

Dude, or dudette -- this argument is SOOOO 4 YEARS AGO.

Go post your comments on a FOX NEWS site somewhere can you? It fits right in.

Truth hurts. I understand your being upset.
 
So you're an ubermensch is what you're saying, right? So, because what he's done wrong is worse than what you've done wrong, he's a bastard. Is that it? If anyone has gone down a road as dark as this guy has, I think it's admirable that he's managed to come out of it and become the man he is today. I don't get the hostility.

I bet if he beat or treated your mother, wife, girlfriend, daughter the way he's treated and abused the women in his life, you might then "get the hostility". But, maybe not. Too bad.

The kind of "man he is today" is the result of making a lot of money by taking advantage and promoting, encouraging, and glorifying violence, misogyny, thuggery, illegal drug use and infecting his fellow "brothers" with this damaging message. Then, he made more money by taking advantage of those same "brothers" by selling them cheap, overpriced, lousy headphones.

The "man he is today" appears to be nothing but a hypocritical, parasitic, sellout.
 
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The kind of "man he is today" is the result of making a lot of money by taking advantage and promoting, encouraging, and glorifying violence, misogyny, thuggery, illegal drug use and infecting his fellow "brothers" with this damaging message. Then, he made more money by taking advantage of those same "brothers" by selling them cheap, overpriced, lousy headphones.

Dr. Dre is black Ted Nugent!

...well, except for the drugs part.
 
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I think it's safe to conclude you don't know much about the music industry. There's no guarantee he wrote the lyrics to any of those songs. He certainly didn't write for NWA; Cube did. The music industry has people who do nothing but write lyrics for other artists. For the sake of argument, let's say he did write those lyrics. How could you say, because he wrote the lyrics, he couldn't write the apology? :confused: Is the assumption that he would write the apology in the same style as gangsta rap lyrics? If it is, that's a pretty poor assumption. That leap in logic would have to cross a chasm to land on firm ground.

To the claim that lawyers wrote the apology and not Dre, your counter argument is that "artists" in the music industry don't write their own stuff? They have "people" who do that for them. You then suggest that it's reasonable to conclude that they (artists/Dre) do, OTH, write their own multi-billion dollar corporate affiliate public apology letters? LOL!

Another genius Apple apologist.
 
Personally, I would never forgive him, as nobody should, but if after 25 years he can convince me he's truly sorry, and has been working to improve himself for the majority of that time, I'd understand. I still wouldn't forgive him, wouldn't want him near my daughter or even in my own community, naturally, but I'd at least understand, and I wouldn't consider him a threat so long as he sticks to his new sense of self.
Him saying he was sorry 25 years later would not be an issue, would not have made it past year 1 and i would most likely be in jail
 
And you're missing the point. This isn't about people not taking responsibility for one's own actions. It's about mob rule disguised as justice, and extreme retribution doled out for minor infractions.

I got your point the first time. I merely point out, once again, that a deliberate choice that goes astray is still a deliberate choice. The irrefutable fact is that the woman's actions started something and idiots escalated it way beyond reason. But she still started it.
 
And I promise you if attention was brought to the past misdeeds of an anonymous rank and file Apple engineer, that person would be quickly shown the door.

So true. And that is really the issue with this Dre debacle. Tim Cook should never have recruited this guy. But TC only sees dollar signs and will ignore all else in pursuit of profit. He made the same idiotic move with that John Browett character. He thought Browett could increase profit and failed to look at this persons character, history, reputation, philosophy, and methodologies. Although, the Browett issue is nothing in comparison to this Dre idiocy.
 
I got your point the first time. I merely point out, once again, that a deliberate choice that goes astray is still a deliberate choice. The irrefutable fact is that the woman's actions started something and idiots escalated it way beyond reason. But she still started it.

We can at least partially agree there. She said something stupid, though it was kind of tongue in cheek. No doubt about it she probably deserved a good smack upside the head.

But it went far beyond that. The reaction to it was, to me, more than a little scary.
 
This has nothing to do with forgiveness. Simply put, when you become involved with individuals that have a questionable past, then you also inherit that past. In this case, Apple has to accept that one of the faces of their company, a billion dollar face to be sure, is not the most savoury of characters.

To add, the fact alone that he has adopted the Dr. prefix, without having actually achieved the degree, is an indication of this man's character.

Really?! You're gonna go there with a *Stage Name*?!?! Dr. Hook, Dr. J, Dr. Buzzard, Dr. Demento...
 
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This isn't an apology. This is nothing more than a damage control, corporate attorney concocted, protect interests, phony apology. It was done to protect income and earnings of Dre and all those affiliated. He's had 25 years to apologize, and only now, with big corporate connections and interests, does this bogus apology come. What a joke.

Except this isn't true. This isn't the first public apology he's issued for these exact same events...
 
No I didn't miss your point. I guess maybe I'm just not as cynical as everyone else here. And I do think people can grow up and change as I've witnessed it in my own family. I have no evidence that would suggest Dre's apology is not sincere. If someone else does let's see it.

My god man, you need to give it a rest. On almost every forum you defend Apple with countless posts. Sorry, but all your efforts aren't helping to boost the sagging stock price, which I guess you must hold a lot of. I can't think of any other reason you are so feverishly defending this company no matter what the issue is.
 
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