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Dr. Dre Addresses Abuse Accusations With Apology, Apple Releases Supporting Statement

Mums said:
You would give a real apology for a billion dollars as well. But the apology reads like a lawyer wrote it.
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I take it you know his writing style well, as well as his lawyers to be able to spot the difference. Correct? Well then, I can certainly understand your viewpoint. I'd prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt rather than be cynical and expect the worst. Perhaps he's full of ****, perhaps he's not. I can understand what he's saying, so I personally hope he's being honest. This may surprise you, but even a wealthy man can tell the truth.
 
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Props for making the statement. It makes me feel a bit less uneasy. Only time will tell if he's able to live up to it.
 
This has nothing to do with forgiveness. Simply put, when you become involved with individuals that have a questionable past, then you also inherit that past. In this case, Apple has to accept that one of the faces of their company, a billion dollar face to be sure, is not the most savoury of characters.

To add, the fact alone that he has adopted the Dr. prefix, without having actually achieved the degree, is an indication of this man's character.
 
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samcraig said:
I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and whether or not they can or would forgive someone. I'm guessing not many people here were actually affected by this man.

That being said - there's no statute of limitations on forgiveness. Just because time has passed doesn't erase what someone has done. But it's a slippery slope. Look at Bill Cosby. He did a great amount of good. While at the same time, he was a very different person in private. Many people are conflicted, and for good reason on whether or not the good can or should outweigh transgressions. It's a personal choice.
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Why should it matter to people who don't know this guy personally? I can't say I'm a fan of him or his music but who am I to judge whether he's being sincere or not? Has he done anything in the recent past that would contradict his apology?
 
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Dargoth said:
I take it you know his writing style well, as well as his lawyers to be able to spot the difference. Correct? Well then, I can certainly understand your viewpoint. I'd prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt rather than be cynical and expect the worst. Perhaps he's full of ****, perhaps he's not. I can understand what he's saying, so I personally hope he's being honest. This may surprise you, but even a wealthy man can tell the truth.
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Just admit it. "Dr." Dre is the highest paid token in the history of the United States.
 
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Mums said:
Spot on! I REALLY feel like saying "I told you so" to all of the numbskulls around here who have been defending this disturbing acquisition.
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Ah well, it's just one of those things that was a bad idea, and Tim Cook doesn't have the vision, foresight or objectivity to admit it. It's been a disaster from start to end and Apple are beginning to seem like a company that enjoy the smell of their own farts – what with their keynotes seeming to get more and more smug/self-satisfying every year, and all that pointless rhetoric Iovine was giving about Apple Music.

They still do a lot of good stuff though, I should try to remember that more often.
 
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Mums said:
Sorry what is the point of this guy again?
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I'm not defending this guy's behaviour, but as a producer and musician his work is extremely influential - NWA, the Chronic, 2001, nearly Eminem's entire career, Kendrick Lamar, Snoop Dogg's early album etc.

Whether you like that music or not is another question, but Dre is an extremely notable and skilled musician/individual who kind of shaped music as we know it - despite how much of an ass he is.
 
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Rogifan said:
Why should it matter to people who don't know this guy personally? I can't say I'm a fan of him or his music but who am I to judge whether he's being sincere or not? Has he done anything in the recent past that would contradict his apology?
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As a human you are free to judge and post comments. Just like anyone and everyone. I think you missed my point. But it doesn't seem worth the effort for both of us to go back and forth to clarify.
 
Rogifan said:
Why should it matter to people who don't know this guy personally? I can't say I'm a fan of him or his music but who am I to judge whether he's being sincere or not? Has he done anything in the recent past that would contradict his apology?
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It really is a matter of what people want to believe. Some people want to think ill of people, others prefer to think well. It's all about mindset, like so many things are.
Mums said:
Just admit it. "Dr." Dre is the highest paid token in the history of the United States.
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You don't know him anywhere near well enough to claim this, neither do I. We're all guessing here, and you're being cynical, while I'm not. Either of us could be correct.
 
samcraig said:
I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and whether or not they can or would forgive someone. I'm guessing not many people here were actually affected by this man.

That being said - there's no statute of limitations on forgiveness. Just because time has passed doesn't erase what someone has done. But it's a slippery slope. Look at Bill Cosby. He did a great amount of good. While at the same time, he was a very different person in private. Many people are conflicted, and for good reason on whether or not the good can or should outweigh transgressions. It's a personal choice.
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Ok what Dre did in no way comes close to Bill Cosby. Bill was raping women WHILE he was wagging his finger at the "lazy black community" showing himself as a upstanding role model while RAPING women! When Dre was a young punk who abused women. He was not at the same time being a positive upstanding role model.
 
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Ok what Dre did in no way comes close to Bill Cosby. Bill was raping women WHILE he was wagging his finger at the "lazy black community" showing himself as a upstanding role model while RAPING women! When Dre was a young punk who abused women. He was not at the same time being a positive upstanding role model.
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You missed my point. Perhaps it wasn't clear (my fault) I wasn't equating with the actions of both people. I was equating the court of public opinion and the struggle to reconcile the good in someone and the bad.
 
samcraig said:
As a human you are free to judge and post comments. Just like anyone and everyone. I think you missed my point. But it doesn't seem worth the effort for both of us to go back and forth to clarify.
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No I didn't miss your point. I guess maybe I'm just not as cynical as everyone else here. And I do think people can grow up and change as I've witnessed it in my own family. I have no evidence that would suggest Dre's apology is not sincere. If someone else does let's see it.
 
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oneMadRssn said:
Dr. of who gives a ****? This is America, where one of the many freedoms we fought for was to do away with rules of titles of nobility. You can call yourself Barrister of Buzzkill if you want, and no one will ask to see your court credentials.
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Now there's an idea! Barrister of Buzzkill. I like the sound of that. :)
 
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Dr. of who gives a ****? This is America, where one of the many freedoms we fought for was to do away with rules of titles of nobility. You can call yourself Barrister of Buzzkill if you want, and no one will ask to see your court credentials.
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Wrong. Obtaining a graduate degree is something achieved through hard work, not due to birthright.
 
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Typical women. Bringing up stuff from 20 years ago and throw it in your face. You really think a 20 year old man is the same person when he's 40? I can tell you I'm not (and I've never had the issues Dre has). Give me a break.
 
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Dargoth said:
Or maybe the real issue is that people like you tend to judge people harshly when they reach a certain level of success? This guy is human, think of him as a human and suddenly you'll realize my point. In fact, I challenge you to do so.
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Nope. That's not it at all. When regular people do deplorable things, it doesn't matter how sorry they are. Their lives and careers are over. Some people get to live by a different set of rules. Even child molesters/rapists get a pass if they are loved by the right people -- look at Roman Pulanski and Woody Allen for example.
 
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Dargoth said:
It really is a matter of what people want to believe. Some people want to think ill of people, others prefer to think well. It's all about mindset, like so many things are.

You don't know him anywhere near well enough to claim this, neither do I. We're all guessing here, and you're being cynical, while I'm not. Either of us could be correct.
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Look I'm no fan of the guy or his music and I've been vocal about saying the Beats acquisition was stupid. But I have no time for the cynical self-righteous crowd. I don't know this guy personally so I have no basis with which to judge whether this apology is sincere or not.
 
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