I'm sure Apple did their homework on him before they made him a billionaire. I bet that PR statement was drafted long ago, waiting for the day when the old abuse stories became front page news. I bet Tim Cook and others are privately annoyed that they have to have him in such a prominent role. Doesn't seem very Apple-like.
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Dr. Dre Addresses Abuse Accusations With Apology, Apple Releases Supporting Statement
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I'm sure Apple did their homework on him before they made him a billionaire. I bet that PR statement was drafted long ago, waiting for the day when the old abuse stories became front page news. I bet Tim Cook and others are privately annoyed that they have to have him in such a prominent role. Doesn't seem very Apple-like.
Most of us have done things we're not proud of, and apparently he's as human as the rest of us. Who would have guessed? It takes a strong man to work to overcome his problems like this. I support this guy.
Personally I don't know much about this guy, and I don't really think much of this whole music business of his. Will I hang out with him if I get the chance? Sure. Be friends with him? Maybe. But I will always have reservation about him. Lets just say it takes a lot to physics abuse someone, let alone abusing woman. You can continue to make yourself a better person, which is a good thing, but you should also be prepared to live with the consequence of what you did in the past.
Well, maybe that's the case with heartless people, but personally I tend to judge people based on their own merits, and not based on how society would have me judge them.
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That may be the case, but "gangsta rap" was a CIA operation from day one designed to ruin society. There's a guy on the internet who claims he attended a secret meeting outside of L.A. in the early 90s where record companies got together to 'design' gangsta rap. Even if this is only conspiracy conjecture, all you have to do is look at the quality acts before gangsta rap took over: De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, Dream Warriors, even fun groups like Leaders of the New School, Black Sheep -- there were tons of positive groups and good rappers like Gang Starr, Big Daddy Kane, etc., who were hard without being lowlifes, and who mostly put out positive messages, or at worst self-aggrandizing rhymes. Then it all turned ugly with those Compton ghetto-mongers and turned into a big nightmare which engulfed us all. Dre and his cohorts were nobodies then and are nobodies now. They ruined a legitimate art form.
Sounds about as genuine as one can be. He got out of trouble and has spent a quarter century moving on to better things in life. And he doesn't appear to be making excuses or pretending it didn't happen. That's really all I could ask.
You lost me at "CIA operation from day one designed to ruin society." Sorry, but you sound like those crazies who say the same about gay people, and Jews, and everyone else.
You lost me at "CIA operation from day one designed to ruin society." Sorry, but you sound like those crazies who say the same about gay people, and Jews, and everyone else.
Oh, no doubt. He should never be completely forgiven for what he's done, nobody should. But we should all have the ability to recognize someone who is aware of his mistakes and is big enough to not only admit them, but to work to improve himself. If he's being honest, which I hope he is, then I support him 100%.
I'm not arguing against you. I never implied he was sincere or not. Just that people can choose to have their own opinion on whether or not he deserves forgiveness (to them).
Personally I don't really care because I'm not a "fan" of his, his career, or music. I'm not in a position to judge him or his apology. I have nothing vested.
However you can ask me about movies based on real life and I'll tell you that they almost always get it wrong. That events are dramatized or shuffled around to fit a narrative (so are documentaries). And that often times, significant events are excluded. Sometimes it's due to time. Sometimes it's due to changing the narrative. I'm not likely to see the movie in question - it doesn't appeal to me. Ultimately I think that people should be "smarter" and if a subject interests them, they should do their own research. You can enjoy entertainment for what it is. But if you're looking for facts, you're likely barking up the wrong tree.
He's super famous. Celebrities such as Dre will always have the press following him, picking up on any little thing.
Now he works at Apple, he will have been under even more scrutiny.
I'll bet there are people on this forum that have done things MUCH worse than him, but Dre will get slated because of his status and wealth, and peoples jealousy.
Not defending the guy at all, but he could have easily said that nothing happened and this would all be swept under the carpet.
Now he works at Apple, he will have been under even more scrutiny.
I'll bet there are people on this forum that have done things MUCH worse than him, but Dre will get slated because of his status and wealth, and peoples jealousy.
Not defending the guy at all, but he could have easily said that nothing happened and this would all be swept under the carpet.
This is dumb. He's probably done a lot worse than what he did to Dee Barnes 25 years ago. He's 50. He's apologized and paid for his mistakes. Why do we care now?
I read the Barnes article, and while t sucks what happened to her, she did get paid. It's not Andres obligation to keep apologizing for it. I also saw the movie and didn't think that was relevant. I think it's pretty obvious they were womanizers who did bad stuff.
Can we move on now? Most of the criticism is from people who don't like Beats, or Hip Hop or just racist individuals anyway.
I read the Barnes article, and while t sucks what happened to her, she did get paid. It's not Andres obligation to keep apologizing for it. I also saw the movie and didn't think that was relevant. I think it's pretty obvious they were womanizers who did bad stuff.
Can we move on now? Most of the criticism is from people who don't like Beats, or Hip Hop or just racist individuals anyway.
Yes, I agree. And no one will take that degree away. A medical doctor's MD degree isn't worth less because Dr. Dre calls himself that. I'm not talking about the education or the credentials. I'm talking about the stupid obsession doctors, lawyers, and some other professionals have with titles. Titles are idiotic, and applaud anyone that that shows how idiotic they are, like Dr. Dre.
Sincerely,
Dr. Ambassador Hon. oneMadRssn, Esquire, Ph.D.
So what you're saying is you can instantly be forgiven of abusing women as long as you never claimed to be a moral person? Got it.
Goodness, quite a few of y'all really suck. If hip-hop music is not your cup of tea, it's quite ok. If Dr. Dre isn't your favorite human, it's even better. He's not mine, either. Yet, I understand the influence this man's music and the company he and Jimmy built has had on American culture. I grew up in those L.A. streets. I love NWA. I love hip-hop. I also love rock & roll, jazz, blues, pop, etc. I recognize the musical value in a rapper as much as a rocker or a notable singer. I'm not set in my ways to not understand the value of all these American music mediums. Additionally, I understand Apple's acquisition of Beats had as much to do about its market influence, talent, and patents as much as Jimmy and Dre, if not more. Furthermore, I also know how to separate the public persona of Dre from the man Andre Young. Dr. Dre had a profound impact on many musically, yet those many would not look to Andre Young as a model man. Does not take away from his music talent, his business acumen, or his influence in those industries. His character? We can use his actions and his possible repentance of the wrong ones as whether that should be upheld. But to dismiss Apple as "shortsighted" for buying Beats or denounce Dr. Dre's musical influence? That's just a lot of hot air.
That's the scary part, abusing woman (or anyone) is already pretty high up on the list. I hate to think what else is beyond that...
I think you're misunderstanding the cause of the anger. Anyone who has grown up in hip-hop knows about both the Dee Barnes & Michele situations. I remember when it all happened. It's not about forgiving but acknowledging that it even happened in a "biopic" about the group. It was a really really really big deal when it happened. I agree w/ Dee Barnes that they didn't need to show the actual beating up but it should have been addressed in some way, perhaps even as a cautionary tale, though he never really suffered any consequences for it. Up until now. Anyway, that's why his apology is hollow.
I'm sure if someone beat your sister or mother the way Dre beat those women up, you'd be this forgiving as well.
Great, we could use a whole lot more people like you then. Sadly, that's not what we have.
Oh my god I've heard it all now.....
I don't use my titles either, but the issue is that his artistic name is a misrepresentation of credentials.
I've never done anything bad in this way to another human being, other than the odd argument, so yes, I feel 100% entitled to be as critical as I wish to thugs like this.
Becoming rich and saying sorry, does not cut it.
No not at all. I'm just saying if you pass yourself off as this good moral Christian person (the Duggars did have a TV show for many years) then when you get caught doing something immoral you better be prepared for the backlash.
No, I think the point there is that if you are saying one thing publicly while doing something completely different in private, there is a problem there.
In this case, whether you believe him or not, Dre is saying that he regrets what happened in the past and is actively working to change the way he lives. If someone comes forward with allegations that contradict what he has said, then it's fair game to go after him as a hypocrite. But until then, all we can do is take him on his word.
There has been numerous posts about his history and how it clashes with Apple's image. The fact that this article would even need to be posted speaks volumes about his reputation. But you know this...