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On another note, does anyone know what "the chronic" actually is?

(I do, and it is 'somewhat' illegal, depending on what state you are in, and still federally illegal...lol)

Apple, has an exclusive deal for an album who's title is about illegal drug use...especially it was in 1992!

20th Century Masters - The Millennium Collection: The Best of Eric Clapton by Eric Clapton
https://itun.es/us/gJB2

Found this Eric Clapton song on iTunes...thought you might like it. Or should it have been censored??

Greatest Hits by Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
https://itun.es/us/uLGi1

Found this Tom Petty song on iTunes... thought you might like it. Or should it have been censored??

TLDR;
Track list:
1) Eric Clapton - Cocaine
2) Tom Petty - Last Dance with Mary Jane
 
Only one. What's your point?

And I'm sorry. My meaning of thug is much different from your meaning because I grew up in the inner city during the 80's. Back in my day we called it Gangster music, hardcore rap, ghetto music. It was used to represent a style of music; not to single out a race because I only knew of one culture. Dr. Dre, Ice T, Ghetto Boys did Gangster music. The fat boys, LL cool J and Run DMC did mainstream rap. I didn't start calling it thug music until Tupac rolled on the set back in the early 90's. Gangster music was actually on the way out until Dre did The Chronic and 2001.
I actually did not like rappers such as DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince (aka Will Smith) because they weren't hard enough. I never liked Tupac or Biggie because I was getting away from rap at the time due to responsibilities. I was more a NWA fan when I was a kid.
So Thug music, Thug artist to me represents a music style. To me I'm not using it as a derogatory replacement for the N word. For me there is a difference between using the word Thug and using the N word. I never use the N word and I'm black. Other than thug what other politically correct word do you use to represent such music; Gangster artist? By today's standards Dr. Dre and Eazy E. were not hiphop artist. That's a slap in their faces.

So you're saying that Dr. Dre is a thug based on his music and actions from over 2 decades ago? Interesting.

Heaven forbid we look into the questionable things you did/said when you were younger.

Dr. Dre is nowhere near a "thug" at this point in his career. He's actually the furthest damn thing from one. The guy is as mainstream and commercial as it gets. Hence why Apple felt it was safe to bring him into the fold.
 
So you're saying that Dr. Dre is a thug based on his music and actions from over 2 decades ago? Interesting.

Heaven forbid we look into the questionable things you did/said when you were younger.

Dr. Dre is nowhere near a "thug" at this point in his career. He's actually the furthest damn thing from one. The guy is as mainstream and commercial as it gets. Hence why Apple felt it was safe to bring him into the fold.

Do you think Apple were purchasing Beats for Dr Dre? I believe he was an acceptable risk in terms of image in the buy out.
 
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All of these exclusivity deals are going to drive me back to pirating music.

If you don't release your music to every streaming service, at the same time, I'll gladly download from a source where you won't get a dime of my money.

That's completely illogical. They will only sell from one source so you'll just steal it? That's like saying that if a CD is selling exclusively at Walmart, and you can't get it at Target or Costco, you'll just steal it outright? And it's not like you have to drive for days to get to a Walmart, just like Apple music isn't forcing you to use iOS to access the music on Apple Music.

People can sell, or not sell, their work wherever they want, and if it boosts traffic to the merchant, so what?
 
I'm not a fan of Dre or his music.

I'm a 47 year old white guy, who grew up (in the UK) when the early rap/hip hop artists first appeared.

Back then, it was kinda light hearted stuff such as The Sugarhill Gang etc, but over the next few years Grandmasters Flash & Melle Mel appeared and the music became less 'mainstream' and a little 'darker' (I was 14 in 1982 when White Lines was released and had no idea what it was about!).

However, I've never really restricted my music listening to any particular genre and I'd describe my Spotify playlists as wide ranging to say the least.

I kind of followed the careers of some of the artists that emerged after GMF etc, but I never really like Dre as an 'artist'. I don't really know why, it was nothing more than a gut feeling.

However, I remember clearly when the story of him beating Dee Barnes broke (even in the UK!) and thinking to myself, "Wow, I knew there was something wrong about him".

It was nothing more than a gut feeling and I'm not claiming to be prophetic or anything, but it was a really nasty incident that really turned me off of an artist, that although I didn't like musically, I respected his success (in a "he must be doing something right" kind of way).

Dr. Dre incident

After her 1990 interview with Ice Cube in which the rapper discusses his leaving N.W.A. at the height of their feud,[2] the group, feeling they had been negatively portrayed, sought retaliation. On January 27, 1991 Dr. Dre encountered Barnes at a record release party in Hollywood. According to Rolling Stone reporter Alan Light:

He picked her up by her hair and "began slamming her head and the right side of her body repeatedly against a brick wall near the stairway" as his bodyguard held off the crowd with a gun. After Dre tried to throw her down the stairs and failed, he began kicking her in the ribs and hands. She escaped and ran into the women's rest room. Dre followed her and "grabbed her from behind by the hair again and proceeded to punch her in the back of the head."[3]


N.W.A.'s MC Ren later said "bitch deserved it", and Eazy-E "yeah, bitch had it coming." As Dr. Dre explained the incident, "People talk all this ****, but you know, somebody **** with me, I'm gonna **** with them. I just did it, you know. Ain't nothing you can do now by talking about it. Besides, it ain't no big thing-- I just threw her through a door." Barnes sued in February 1991, telling reporter Alan Light: "They've grown up with the mentality that it's okay to hit women, especially black women. Now there's a lot of kids listening and thinking it's okay to hit women who "get out of line."[3] In February, Barnes filed assault charges and brought a $22.75 million lawsuit against Dr. Dre, who pleaded no contest to the assault. He was fined $2,500, placed on two years' probation, and ordered to perform 240 hours of community service and produce an anti-violence public service announcement.[4] The lawsuit was settled out of court.[5]

The incident is #37 on Spin magazine's "100 Sleaziest Moments in Rock".[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dee_Barnes
 
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It's not an issue of Spotify vs Apple Music, vs Tidal, vs whatever. It's an issue of fragmentation. These deals hurt all users of every streaming service.

I understand completely but there is the question of competing with Spotify which is patly owned by the major labels. Apple Music needs to be aggressive on all fronts if wants to have any chance of making profit in next five years. The market is already saturated with similar services.
 
I'm not a fan of Dre or his music.

I'm a 47 year old white guy, who grew up (in the UK) when the early rap/hip hop artists first appeared.

Back then, it was kinda light hearted stuff such as The Sugarhill Gang etc, but over the next few years Grandmasters Flash & Melle Mel appeared and the music became less 'mainstream' and a little 'darker' (I was 14 in 1982 when White Lines was released and had no idea what it was about!).

However, I've never really restricted my music listening to any particular genre and I'd describe my Spotify playlists as wide ranging to say the least.

I kind of followed the careers of some of the artists that emerged after GMF etc, but I never really like Dre as an 'artist'. I don't really know why, it was nothing more than a gut feeling.

However, I remember clearly when the story of him beating Dee Barnes broke (even in the UK!) and thinking to myself, "Wow, I knew there was something wrong about him".

It was nothing more than a gut feeling and I'm not claiming to be prophetic or anything, but it was a really nasty incident that really turned me off of an artist, that although I didn't like musically, I respected his success (in a "he must be doing something right" kind of way).



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dee_Barnes

Yep, this "Dr." is like regular hero... Maybe he got his PhD in beating women. https://medium.com/@byroncrawford/beatings-by-dr-dre-3c8e62bec8f1
 
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That's completely illogical. They will only sell from one source so you'll just steal it? That's like saying that if a CD is selling exclusively at Walmart, and you can't get it at Target or Costco, you'll just steal it outright? And it's not like you have to drive for days to get to a Walmart, just like Apple music isn't forcing you to use iOS to access the music on Apple Music.

People can sell, or not sell, their work wherever they want, and if it boosts traffic to the merchant, so what?

I believe what he is saying is, why should he have to drive to Walmart, Kmart, target, Costco to get all the music he likes cause they all have exclusive deals, when he can get it all in one place called "torrent store" the fact it's free is a bonus, it's the Convience, not to mention membership at all those stores ads up each month
 
So you're saying that Dr. Dre is a thug based on his music and actions from over 2 decades ago? Interesting.

Heaven forbid we look into the questionable things you did/said when you were younger.

Dr. Dre is nowhere near a "thug" at this point in his career. He's actually the furthest damn thing from one. The guy is as mainstream and commercial as it gets. Hence why Apple felt it was safe to bring him into the fold.

Perhaps you didn't see this.


"Questionable things"!!!

Beating up women and being proud of it, unapologetically promoting anti-gay homophobia, drug use, violence, misogyny, terrible attitude (to this day), among other things. No, I don't think most of us have been involved in "questionable" things to this extent when we were younger.

https://medium.com/@byroncrawford/beatings-by-dr-dre-3c8e62bec8f1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dee_Barnes

It wasn't "safe to bring him into to the fold", it was idiotic.
 
Yeah and so has Frank Sinatra. But I'm sure most, if not all people here will conveniently forget that this "classy staged man" was connected with the Mafia.

You are comparing Sinatra to Dre?? Wow..... Please do tell :rolleyes:.
 
On another note, does anyone know what "the chronic" actually is?

(I do, and it is 'somewhat' illegal, depending on what state you are in, and still federally illegal...lol)

Apple, has an exclusive deal for an album who's title is about illegal drug use...especially it was in 1992!


It's only illegal if you get caught man :D
 
I'm sure Dr. Dre signed an agreement that he will never drop another album when Apple bought Beats. If you listen to this album, and actually listen to the lyrics, oh man, I am still amazed at how Apple is so deeply associated with such a person.

This album is over 20 years old he was young and angry then. People are allowed to change and grow as human beings you know! Jeeze.
 
This album is over 20 years old he was young and angry then. People are allowed to change and grow as human beings you know! Jeeze.

It amazes me how people are getting caught up in the Dr Dre thing, when really the interesting thing here is the exclusive songs/albums. If :apple: Music is done right then it could be a game changer like iTunes was.
Also lets not forget the amount of pull that Dr Dre as, for example i'm sure Eminem isn't doing the first interview for Beats1 by accident, also any future albums from Eminem, Snoop and such artists could be :apple: Music exclusive or at the very least added to the service. Apple probably know this and is one of the reasons why Dre was hired by the big :apple:
 
First of all, who cares about thug Dre and his junk music?

More importantly through, this fragmentation of music reeks of the HD DVD and blu Ray format war from years ago which only made things difficult for the consumer. Exclusive song rights are a terrible thing for everyone except for the trillion dollar companies running the show. Those cheering about this are fools. It's all fun and games until you need to ante up $50 bucks a month or more because you have to subscribe to 3-4 different streaming services to get everything you want. What a joke.

YouTube and MP3 rippers are your friend. So is buying songs for .99 cents on Amazon or wherever else.

Good thing I dont care much for newer music and can be totally happy with my current library and the occasional ripped MP3 from YouTube. For the rest of you streaming slaves......so, so sorry.
 
Dr. Dre is nowhere near a "thug" at this point in his career. He's actually the furthest damn thing from one. The guy is as mainstream and commercial as it gets. Hence why Apple felt it was safe to bring him into the fold.

As long as he is actively marketing those ideas through the sale of his albums, he should be measured by his messages on them. So yes, he is still actively glorifying homophobia, drug use, violence etc. It doesn't matter that he now drives a Bentley and doesn't live in Compton anymore and that it is now 20 years later.
 
Activated both US and Australian accounts.
Taylor Swift 1989 omits last 3 songs.

Australian pricing cheaper with exchange rate and even more less GST.

$11.99 and $17.99.
 
I believe there are 2 views; group A that bash the music because of it's content and group B that bash Apple for releasing such content after the entire flag fiasco last week.
I love the music because I grew up with it but I have a problem with Apple and their polices. Tim Cook and company are hypocrites. One week you ban content over a flag but this week you approve of music that is so offensive you won't let your teenage kids listen to it. That's the problem I have with Apple.
If I was to post the lyrics to songs from NWA/Dr. Dre I would be banned for a few days. Who is doing the cherry picking at Apple to decide what's right and what's wrong with content? Hell; let's put some 2 Live Crew up on the mix while we're at it.

There is no money involved with the flag issue, so Tim doesn't care. If there's money to be made Tim drops all his pretend social/political concerns.

Here's another example of the Tim Cook/Apple hypocrisy you mention:

http://www.examiner.com/article/apple-boycotts-indiana-opens-stores-saudi-arabia

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/3/carly-fiorina-apples-tim-cook-hypocritical-outrage/
 
I'm mean, the Chronic is okay (well it's a 20 year-old album). But Pharrell? (since his "buffon hat" era) Swift? BeatsOne?

Apple has made what Jobs or any smart company would've NEVER EVER DONE: irreversibly compromise the brand image by associating themselves with something that is not neutral and therefor potentially of really bad taste.

Here is the complete case, Apple is doing a lot of damage to its own image, not just in terms of pricing, lack of innovation or low specs/bugs, but the degenerate image their fans have (which is legit), their ugly recent designs and now this association in music, a domain in which it's VERY hard and dangerous take part or curate.
 
itunes radio already streams AC/DC. I created my own AC/DC radio station and they come on about every 4th or 5th song.
 
Apple has made what Jobs or any smart company would've NEVER EVER DONE: irreversibly compromise the brand image by associating themselves with something that is not neutral and therefor potentially of really bad taste.
Come on now. It's not like Apple has posted a statement saying "Hey everyone, we feel like this album really reflects our values and ideas as a company and so we're streaming it exclusively on Apple Music!". Apple has always supported the arts and creative expression, and part of supporting creative expression is understanding and accepting that you're not going to agree with everything an artist says or does.
 
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