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I hate to say this, but if I needed the Mac Pro, and I needed wheels on it... I probably would.
 
The only people complaining are those who do not need or have no interest in buying them

Well, yes, I have no interest in buying a Mac Pro because I won't pay $6000 for $3000 worth of computer... whereas, like most of the complainers, I would have been a potential customer for a Mac Pro at the usual ~$3000 starting price. The Wheels, Stand and Feet are just symbols of how things got that way.

...and no, the $6000 MP isn't worth $6000 just because it has 8 PCIe slots and 1.5 TB RAM capacity (...which you can't use with the CPU in the $6k system) because some of us just want a headless Mac that can take 1-2 half-decent GPUs and some extra internal storage... and those who want more probably won't want the 8-core CPU (but expensive 'cos its a Xeon) and rubbish (but expensive because it's a MPX module) GPU in the entry model.

The fact that Apple think a set of castors are worth $700 and the feet they replace worth $300 give you a window onto the pricing strategy of the whole thing...
 
Why would anyone need wheels on a computer tower? specially on a tower that has an easy way to grab it and move around. Also, if for any reason anyone comes up with a valid excuse to buy wheels, why should they buy ones without a lock to stay in place.

Shall we get into the price now? Nah, its a waste of time to try convincing anyone considering this already.
 
90% of the “people” who buy the Mac Pro are corporations, and corporations spend money on all kinds of crap. So...why not?

Because it’s still a waste of money that’s why not? That $700 could go to someone’s salary instead of $700 wheels on something that most people probably won’t even move or need to move very often.
 
Nobody buys a Rolls to hide it under a desk or stand their computer display on it (...well, somebody might buy one to store as an investment, but that's a long shot even with luxury cars and certainly doesn't apply to computers...)

Rolls, Bugatti etc. aren't just expensive cars, they're cars bought by people who think that regular luxury cars are too cheap for them. They're made by companies like BMW and VW who also make a complete range of cars for people who might want a serious car, for a serious purpose, and are prepared to spend serious money but aren't NFL footballers, pop stars or Apple execs who want to pay ridiculous money to enhance their p... er, prestige.

The real problem with the Mac Pro isn't the Mac Pro (which at least evolves from 'laughably over-priced' to merely expensive the more you expand it), it's the big hole it leaves in Apple's range where the ~$3000-$10,000 headless desktop options (for people who don't need 1.5TB RAM and 8 PCIe x8 slots) used to be (the new Mac Pro doesn't even start to make sense until you spend well over $10k on giving it better specs than an iMac).

The Stand and the Wheels are not the reason people are complaining about the Mac Pro, they're just symbols of Apple's ridiculous greed and pretentiousness. They're not even well designed - just expensively over-engineered.

If Apple want to make a 24ct gold-plated ceramic "MacBook Pro Edition" for the super-rich, that's fine by me - but sort out the basic models first for the people who actually want to use them rather than stuff them down teh front of their pants.
Funny, looking back over my post I swear I was talking about the wheels.

And this “Apple greed” trope is just as silly, an irrelevant label wielded by the triggered. You think Apple’s getting rich on Pro wheels? Or the Pro at all? What percentage of their earnings do you think they project will come from the Pro? You think their phone prices insultingly high (did you call Sammy greedy over their $2K foldy fail)? You think their profit margins are outlandish (you should take a minute and compare)? You think that a whole 10% cut to run an App Store is outrageous? You think iBooks is a monopoly when actually it was used to try to break the Amazon monopoly? Do they not sell a low-priced high-specced iPhone? Are they not dropping prices on upcoming iPhones with OLED screens?

It’s all silly. I couldn’t give a hoot about price, I give a hoot about value. Apple’s products are typically outstanding in terms of usability, integration, privacy, and especially quality, and are bundled with a good suite of productivity software and a solid OS. When they stumble, such as with the butterfly keyboard (which they’re fixing or replacing) or arguably the new MBP, I take a pass and move on, instead of getting all outraged and posting silly labels all over creation about greed. Or, as is the American way, suing.
 
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Jerryrig’s videos and Lew bending the iPhone 6 really caused structural improvement to phones in the entire smartphone industry, but your channel probably made a bigger impact.
oh really? cause i can no longer apply unreasonable amount of force to bend these devices anymore? surprise, go google iPad Pro 2020 bend test.

these devices have always been built to withstand normal use. intentionally bending a device at a certain point is not normal use. iPhone 6 and iPad Pro had a small number of customers experiencing bending which were due to mishandling.

if i make a youtube channel, it would have nothing to do with reacting to products.
 
I became a Macintosh/Apple user in 2003. 2019 I became a Google user.

I needed a new computer and bought a $200 Chromebook. It works great. This computer was the same price as Apple AirPods.

The cheapest Apple laptop is $800 more. No thanks Tim Apple.
Having saved $600 on your laptop, you’ve seen the light and you’re done with Apple. You know the importance of value.

And how do you rate the value of the time you spend continuing to post on MacRumors, now that you’ve moved on?
 
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You think Apple’s getting rich on Pro wheels? Or the Pro at all?

Apple is getting rich partly on poor standard specs plus large mark-ups for upgrades and extras across their entire hardware range.

The Wheels and Stand are just an example that is noticable because it sounds so mundane.

And, you know what, yes they've improved slightly in the last 6 months with things like the iPhone SE and better default specs on new MacBooks etc. Maybe because sales were stagnating and lots of people were calling them out on high prices?

I'll ignore the rest of the cavalcade of straw men (except... having sold software on a small scale myself pre-App Store I think their mark up on the App Store in particular is a ruddy bargain considering it covers distribution, billing and a shop window on however many million devices. Meanwhile, not sure about you, but in the universe where I live, Samsung got royally roasted over the price and faults on their folding phone...)
 
oh really? cause i can no longer apply unreasonable amount of force to bend these devices anymore? surprise, go google iPad Pro 2020 bend test.

these devices have always been built to withstand normal use. intentionally bending a device at a certain point is not normal use. iPhone 6 and iPad Pro had a small number of customers experiencing bending which were due to mishandling.

if i make a youtube channel, it would have nothing to do with reacting to products.

Your personal taste in videos is not the definition of what a bad YouTuber is, or when someone “contributes to society”.

My argument was that smartphones have become much stronger, which is true, but since you don’t pay attention to these videos, you obviously can’t know. Many phones have had terrible built quality and thanks to these guys, companies can no longer easily sell bad phones. It’s what reviews are for. Jerry has a review channel, just purely based on built quality and technical details.

Lewis has a total of 3 billion views on his channel because people like seeing products, what’s so bad about it? Why do you visit MaRumors and care about Mac Pro wheels? There’s no shaming here, everyone does it and it’s totally fine.

Would it change your mind if you knew Jerry gave the iPhone 11 Pro a very positive review after being very critical before (it easily withstood unreasonable amounts of force, gives some a peace of mind)? Maybe this is mostly about Apple fanboyism.
 
So you agree that this markup is out of line - I get the idea of premium for Mac Pros, Displays and their stands (although the stand is a bit of a stretch to justify), but the wheels price is just silly.
The only reason you people are banging on about about price is that Jony Ive is no longer around to make his own video explaining the exceptional, painstaking attention to detail that went into reimagining, designing, and manufacturing these wheels.
 
Why oh why consumers give Apple so much commercial through hatefulness???
MacPro is targeted at businesses! The stand 999 USD is NOT Expensive for that branch.
Wheels are ridiculously overpriced - but again, not for consumers.

Do I agree the price for the entire Mac Pro line is absurd? YES!
But I also understand they don’t care about making high volume of these. They are not for us - Mac and Cheese eaters sitting in a futon.

I saw nobody yanking Bugatti or Lamborghini about their prices for cars.
WTF???!!!

chill out.nobody forces you to buy it :)
neither Bugatti or Lamborghini are targeted at business
 
Your personal taste in videos is not the definition of what a bad YouTuber is, or when someone “contributes to society”.
Never said that's the definition. In fact there is no way to define objectively what a bad Youtuber is. It's inherently subjective, so I don't know where you're going with that point. It's no different than saying I think country music is bad while you think country music is great.

My argument was that smartphones have become much stronger, which is true, but since you don’t pay attention to these videos, you obviously can’t know. Many phones have had terrible built quality and thanks to these guys, companies can no longer easily sell bad phones. It’s what reviews are for. Jerry has a review channel, just purely based on built quality and technical details.

You have 0 basis for this. There were reports of an internal Apple document that Apple knew the iPhone 6 was more prone to bending all along. It's entirely possible Apple would have made structural improvements whether or not "Youtubers" complained about it, but due to time constraints, they couldn't make those improvements to the original iPhone 6.

The fact that you're convinced that it's all thanks to Youtubers has me convinced you're just a complete fanboy of those channels.

Lewis has a total of 3 billion views on his channel because people like seeing products, what’s so bad about it? Why do you visit MaRumors and care about Mac Pro wheels? There’s no shaming here, everyone does it and it’s totally fine.

Justin Bieber scored 7 billion Spotify listens. Doesn't mean his music is good.

Would it change your mind if you knew Jerry gave the iPhone 11 Pro a very positive review after being very critical before (it easily withstood unreasonable amounts of force, gives some a peace of mind)? Maybe this is mostly about Apple fanboyism.

No, because you're erroneously attributing this dislike of some youtubers to "apple fanboyism". I love bashing apple for what I think are the correct reasons. Touchbar? Not useful. Mac Pro 2013? Mistake. 3D touch? Apple can't make up its mind with this tech.

Arbitrarily picking a point to bend on a device and making a "scientific conclusion" that the device is weak however is not a correct reason to bash Apple. It's designed to generate clicks. This is especially true when Youtubers facepalm themselves for the Youtube thumbnails.
 
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