The Ripple problem really is a bit overstated.
It's not very noticeable at all...
But, it is there...
It's not very noticeable at all...
But, it is there...
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ATI 9600 XT Ripple & Video Hash
I tend to agree. I don't have a bad ripple but with fast scrolling I see some waves in the text. It would be better if it was just a static scroll in the window. Another unusual thing is I see a momentary "crazy quilt" video effect when waking from a black screen. I never saw this stuff before. I look forward, with anticipation, to reports of those who finnally get the NVIDIA 6800 Ultra cards. If they are cool, I might just fork out the bucks as what you see on the display is where the rubber meets the road. If you've gone this far.......
As I read elsewhere, the ATI 9800 design is already a year and a half old. The 9600XT is just a cheaper version of that. The 6800U is a totally new architecture with on board video processor. I also read, it has a very quiet fan. I'm getting tired of fan revs every time I do something like a crop in Photoshop.
ccroo said:
I tend to agree. I don't have a bad ripple but with fast scrolling I see some waves in the text. It would be better if it was just a static scroll in the window. Another unusual thing is I see a momentary "crazy quilt" video effect when waking from a black screen. I never saw this stuff before. I look forward, with anticipation, to reports of those who finnally get the NVIDIA 6800 Ultra cards. If they are cool, I might just fork out the bucks as what you see on the display is where the rubber meets the road. If you've gone this far.......
As I read elsewhere, the ATI 9800 design is already a year and a half old. The 9600XT is just a cheaper version of that. The 6800U is a totally new architecture with on board video processor. I also read, it has a very quiet fan. I'm getting tired of fan revs every time I do something like a crop in Photoshop.
I know SOME Australian orders have shipped but not many. I'm in Brisbane and ordered on 16 June through a reseller and still don't have mine. (BTO with a Radeon 9800XT.)
invaLPsion said:
It's statements like these that will embolden me toward purchasing a 2.5...keep 'em coming!
(Is it really that quiet...?)
Duff-Man says....I have not noticed any "ripple effect" yet...both my LCD's are connected digitally - I wonder if that matters....or maybe my eyes are just not that quick anymore.invaLPsion said:
My extra GB of Ram arrived from Crucial today...installed and tested without problem...now up to 2.5GB. My Digital Performer upgrade is in transit as well now....I am curious to see how this thing handles DP, Reason, Arturia Moog Modular and Minimoog all at the same time.....oh yeah!
I agree. I just got my DP2.5. I get the rippling effect with the 9800XT as well. I'll deal with it because I waited so damn long for this thin and it really isnt that noticable... But I hope its a firmware update to stop it. The fan reving is getting annoying but again..(hey...how about that...there goes the fan again) I waited since 6/9 so I really couldnt give a crap at this point. I'm just happy its running smooth otherwise.
My new 23" has a few stuck pixels that are only noticeable on dark backgrounds. but the pixels are much smaller and tighter than the my previous 20" Cin Display. They are really barely noticable.
My machine passed the Hardware test no problem. (there goes the fan again) with 2 extra Gigs of Crucial Ram (2x1GB) bringing me to 3GB.
Looking forward to playing with this thing. The BT mouse are keyboard are pretty sweet. My first BT module. Cant wait to get a BT Phone.
Its been great reading the threads...It's kept me sane and drove me crazy at the same time. I'll stop back here and there to make sure everyone gets there machines and are happy. Hey, maybe we'll all see each other again in the "ATI Recalls 9600XT and 9800XT" Forum in a few months! (there goes the fan again) Hope not!
Good luck to everyone
Fish
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EDIT...there goes the fan again! (Seriously...Its rediculous... It revs every time I scroll. WTF?)
My new 23" has a few stuck pixels that are only noticeable on dark backgrounds. but the pixels are much smaller and tighter than the my previous 20" Cin Display. They are really barely noticable.
My machine passed the Hardware test no problem. (there goes the fan again) with 2 extra Gigs of Crucial Ram (2x1GB) bringing me to 3GB.
Looking forward to playing with this thing. The BT mouse are keyboard are pretty sweet. My first BT module. Cant wait to get a BT Phone.
Its been great reading the threads...It's kept me sane and drove me crazy at the same time. I'll stop back here and there to make sure everyone gets there machines and are happy. Hey, maybe we'll all see each other again in the "ATI Recalls 9600XT and 9800XT" Forum in a few months! (there goes the fan again) Hope not!
Good luck to everyone
Fish
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EDIT...there goes the fan again! (Seriously...Its rediculous... It revs every time I scroll. WTF?)
It must be a DVI issue, because I have a 15' Apple LCD connected to the ADC port and I'm not having any troubles. Still running 10.3.4 at present. Have not taken the time to update yet. Looks like the trickle is becoming a steady stream now.
I'm up to 2.5 gig (appropriate huh) of ram. I'm waiting on a 10k system hard drive before I install & configure logic pro, waves platinum, final cut. I'm very interested in seeing what logic does loaded with plugins since I have a lot of songs to remaster in digital that were done in DP on my old 9600.Duff-Man said:
I geeked out on Konfabulator after the gig tonight. Really cool little widgets. Kinda like a christmas grab bag of stocking stuffers for the G5.
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solo-act said:
If you are talking about installing a wd raptor, it would be very nice to know about the performance gain and noise levels.
Someone I know told me they were quite noisy, but I'm not shure I'm willing to believe that... HL
HL-Audio said:If you are talking about installing a wd raptor, it would be very nice to know about the performance gain and noise levels.
HL
check http://storagereview.com/comparison.html
and http://storagereview.com/articles/200401/20040126WD740GD_6.html
rob118 said:
Man, you got all the useful links...
The 74gb raptor is 3dB quieter than the 36gb. Maybe the one I heard about was using th 36gb version... 4 of them in a dell actually...
HL
HL-Audio said:Man, you got all the useful links...
The 74gb raptor is 3dB quieter than the 36gb. Maybe the one I heard about was using th 36gb version... 4 of them in a dell actually...
HL
Well the 2nd link which i added later is prolly of more interest to you cos it mentions noise while in operation
I ordered 19thjune . Reseller in NSW says apple aust expects a very small number soon. Not sure what that means . Do you know of anyone definatley receiving one in Ausbigbang said:
74Gb Raptor drives - definately worth it?
I just had a read through the reviews on those links, and I think I basically concluded that the Hitachi Deskstar 250 is a good choice for a second drive in the G5 (I ordered a stock 160Gb with the machine), and obviously on a $ per Mb basis, it's much better value than the Raptor, but I am curious as to how much better everybody thinks these Raptors are!? - is it a truly beneficial move, or are people just being fanatical (and I mean no offense there!) with having the fastest in everything even if it's only slightly noticeable?
If I went for one, I'd be inclined to do the same as mentioned already; Raptor as boot and apps, with files on the second drive, but since I do use the OSX system of file distribution (ie: home/documents/my files etc), would I just create aliases to the files on the second disk or what?
Cheers!
I just had a read through the reviews on those links, and I think I basically concluded that the Hitachi Deskstar 250 is a good choice for a second drive in the G5 (I ordered a stock 160Gb with the machine), and obviously on a $ per Mb basis, it's much better value than the Raptor, but I am curious as to how much better everybody thinks these Raptors are!? - is it a truly beneficial move, or are people just being fanatical (and I mean no offense there!) with having the fastest in everything even if it's only slightly noticeable?
If I went for one, I'd be inclined to do the same as mentioned already; Raptor as boot and apps, with files on the second drive, but since I do use the OSX system of file distribution (ie: home/documents/my files etc), would I just create aliases to the files on the second disk or what?
Cheers!
rossshear said:
Yeah i heard from one small reseller that apple was getting some in about 3-4 weeks from now, they seemed fairly sure none had come into Australia yet. Apparently there is a bit of an issue with supply of th 1.8 and 2's as well. I am buying through Next Byte, what about you rossshear?
Mr MacNabbit said:
Not knowing the specs of everything involved, i'm going to make some assumptions here.
The hitatchi is a 7200 RPM drive, and the WD is a 10,000 RPM drive correct? A quick google made me believe this was the case.
So how it would work for you is this.
On a server, in a purely random workload with 70% reads and 30% writes you would see +/- 5% difference between a 10k and 7.2k drive. Your limiting factor on this is the read/write heads ability to reposition itself. The read/write head only takes maybe 0.5ms to pull the data chunk off the drive before it is off and moving so only the difference in rotational latency is improving the ability to read/write faster. So it's about 5% best case.
However on a desktop a good chunk of the work you do is more sequential than not. With this being the case the faster rotational time begins to play a small factor in performance because the head gets positioned, and then the rotation of the disk is what is scraping off the data and then the head moves not near as much because it's not having to service hundreds of other requests at the same time.
So if you do a lot of video editing, or a lot of large file type manipulation you will see about 25 - 30% improvement in the file load time, edit times, whatever is disk intensive.
But is that speed boost worth the extra $? Only you know that for sure. Pricewatch shows only a 74GB 10K drive as the biggest in their serial ATA category. This leads me to believe that what the vendors are doing is taking a SCSI drive (36/74/146/300 sizes) and puting SATA electronics on it which makes sense, and then the price point is going to go up but your reliability should be higher as those drives are designed to run 24x7.
But for me at home price per GB is king. I don't get paid by the hour to play with my home videos, or surf macrumors, or whatever. So 7200RPM is enough for me.
brykken said:
I figured most of the 6/9's would have shipped by now
my 6/17 will never ship at this rate.
Another Thing
10K RPM drives are rather noisy. They also draw more power = dissapate more heat. One drive should pull about 18w which equals about 62 BTU/hr more that it is going to put into the room. 7200 SATAs should pull about 9 - 10w which is about 30 BTU/hr.
A few years ago I fired up a fibre controller than spun up 60 10Ks at once. While cool to see it sure made a lot of noise for a bit and the UPS started to groan with that power surge. We were rather close to the max that the room UPS could handle.
10K RPM drives are rather noisy. They also draw more power = dissapate more heat. One drive should pull about 18w which equals about 62 BTU/hr more that it is going to put into the room. 7200 SATAs should pull about 9 - 10w which is about 30 BTU/hr.
A few years ago I fired up a fibre controller than spun up 60 10Ks at once. While cool to see it sure made a lot of noise for a bit and the UPS started to groan with that power surge. We were rather close to the max that the room UPS could handle.
Trekkie said:
sweeet 60..... we have an xserv raid conected to an xserv with fibre
only 5 or 6 drive though.Mr MacNabbit said:
Sorry if this is getting OT....
But this is exactly how I configured my system.
I stole (found?) the idea how to do this from a Swedish forum.
http://99mac.se/forum/showthread.php?t=7505
(Second post)
Translated from Swedish:
To move the Users-folder from one partition to another you hack the following in the terminal.
Just replace username with the name that the users catalogue has and Newpartition with the name of the unit you want the catalogue to be on.
sudo ditto -rsrc /Users /Volumes/NewPartition/Users
(copies whole Users catalogue (incl resources) to the new disk/partition)
sudo niutil -createprop / /users/username home /Volumes/NewPartition/Users/username
(Set the system pointer so that the system "looks" for the home-folder in the right place)
Log out and in again to check that the new home folder works. Then run the next command to clean up.
sudo rm -dr /Users
sudo ln -s /Volumes/NewPartition/Users /Users
(Removes the old Users-folder from the system partition and creates a link that points to
the new place where your home-folder is. This is done so when adding new users their home-folder are created in the right place.)
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