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Dual 2.5GHz PowerMacs Shipping

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Okay guys, the database is up.

Go to http://powermac.king-panda.com/ to enter your order data. Please remember the username (case sensitive) that you use because that will be the only way that you can edit your information later. There will be no password for each username so please be on your best behaviour.

Unfortunatly I don't have the time to enter in all the date we already have, so please go and enter your info. Those of you who have already received their machines, it would be nice to have your information as well.

Who knows, maybe we can figure this out after all. If anyone has any suggestions, please send them to brykken@king-panda.com .

Link: http://powermac.king-panda.com/
 
hotwire132002 said:
The fans do tend to spin up when doing intensive tasks, and the system gets quite loud.

Here's another link to the G5 Forum:

http://www.coresoftcomputers.com/g5forum
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I see. Can you compare the loudness to a common noise to help describe 'quite loud'? I guess this won't be going in the bedroom if it is as you describe. A little disappointed here...I thought LCS might keep fans low speed.
 
grebo said:
I hate to overstate the obvious here, but if any of you did not fork over the extra dough for the maintenance plan, you are ASKING for trouble! I thought by waiting for the second rev of processor speeds, I'd be safe because Apple had worked out the bugs of the new (processor) technology. Here, we have the liquid-cooled processors that are going to open up a new can of worms, but I simply could not wait any longer.

If you haven't placed your orders for the maintenance pack, I suggest you call them and order it (separately so as not to delay your current order), but make sure they know it's to cover the G5 on a separate order.

Regards
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I find posts like this particularly amusing. First off, a CPU isn't something that you can really "work the bugs out of." They only have a few hundred hardware functions (aka instructions.) Either the CPU works at it's rated speed at the factory, or they bump the speed down until it does. Only a small percentage of the target yeild do not function at all. The fact that IBM is having yield issues on the 2.5 only means that there are more 1.8 and 2.0ghz parts available. Chances are, IBM is *only* manufacturing 2.5s for Apple at this point - the 1.8 and 2.0ghz CPUs are simply the byproduts of that process when something goes wrong with the 2.5ghz yield. If there were any real issues (such as the flawed Pentium CPU,) they would be recalled.

Furthermore, keep in mind that this isn't even an Apple part - it's a proven IBM product. Power 5 exists without Apple. So it's a revision, of a revision, of a revision. And, your chance of having problems with the liquid cooling are equally bad (if not worse) than with air cooling. To me, a problem is a problem is a problem - if the machine is defective, it's handled under warranty.

If you are talking about AppleCare, however, I completely agree. But it's a good idea for ANY machine, not just for a revision. The same things *can* go wrong with any product and every generation. I fix my own machines, but the lack of parts availability for Apple motherboards, CPUs, etc is slim. Luckily I can order it any time during the original warranty and be covered, so you don't *have* to shell out the extra dough *right now*.

-pooka
 
Chuckamuck said:
Hi folks,

I ordered my 2.5Mhz G5 on June 10th and am on the 8/20 release date like many others.

However, I received a nice discount from an Apple Store rep on the phone that has cushioned the disappointment in the delay of delivery.

Shortly after I ordered my G5 online through the Apple Store, I decided to cancel my order so that I could wait for the (then-rumored) release of the new aluminum Cinema Displays. I knew that if I purchased my G5 with a Cinema Display, I could purchase an Apple Care extended warranty for the G5 and the Cinema Display could be included under that if both items appeared on the same invoice.

Well, when I called to cancel my G5 order, the Apple rep said, "Sir, you're basing your decision on pure speculation. You have no idea that when or if new Cinema Displays will be released." But I had a pretty good idea based on all the info floating around at the time. I asked again to cancel.

Then the sales rep offered me a $100 discount to keep my order. I thought about it for a moment and again asked to cancel the order. Then the rep said, "Sir, I can offer you a $200 discount on your order and that's my final offer to you." Well, that sounded pretty good so I took it.

I mentioned this to a friend who's a long-time Apple user and he said he'd never heard of Apple offering discounts like that so I consider myself lucky. Has anyone else experienced something similar?

I ordered my G5 through one of Apple's corporate discounts (I work for a company that has employee discounts in place through a specially branded online Apple Store), so I ended up saving around $400 through my combined corporate discount and the $200 discount from Apple.

My system:
2.5Mhz | 2gig RAM | 500g HD | Radeon 9800 | 20" aluminum Cinema Display
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Did you try doing the "Ship Complete" option? I am doing that so that my Apple Loan which is 90 days same as cash doesn't start until the computer is ready, or else my Apple Care and Printer would have shipped in July and started the 90 days. I don't think its an option when you order but you can call soon after and request it.
 
Rocketfella said:
I see. Can you compare the loudness to a common noise to help describe 'quite loud'? I guess this won't be going in the bedroom if it is as you describe. A little disappointed here...I thought LCS might keep fans low speed.
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The fans are low speed unless you are doing a processor intensive task such as a render. When they speed up, it generally sounds about like a house fan on "medium"... though if all the fans spin up (this has only happened once so far), it sounds about like a jet engine ;)
 
hotwire132002 said:
The fans are low speed unless you are doing a processor intensive task such as a render. When they speed up, it generally sounds about like a house fan on "medium"... though if all the fans spin up (this has only happened once so far), it sounds about like a jet engine ;)
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I hope that you are kidding. How does it compare to a G4?
 
Chuckamuck said:
Hi folks,

I ordered my 2.5Mhz G5 on June 10th and am on the 8/20 release date like many others.

However, I received a nice discount from an Apple Store rep on the phone that has cushioned the disappointment in the delay of delivery.

Shortly after I ordered my G5 online through the Apple Store, I decided to cancel my order so that I could wait for the (then-rumored) release of the new aluminum Cinema Displays. I knew that if I purchased my G5 with a Cinema Display, I could purchase an Apple Care extended warranty for the G5 and the Cinema Display could be included under that if both items appeared on the same invoice.

Well, when I called to cancel my G5 order, the Apple rep said, "Sir, you're basing your decision on pure speculation. You have no idea that when or if new Cinema Displays will be released." But I had a pretty good idea based on all the info floating around at the time. I asked again to cancel.

Then the sales rep offered me a $100 discount to keep my order. I thought about it for a moment and again asked to cancel the order. Then the rep said, "Sir, I can offer you a $200 discount on your order and that's my final offer to you." Well, that sounded pretty good so I took it.

I mentioned this to a friend who's a long-time Apple user and he said he'd never heard of Apple offering discounts like that so I consider myself lucky. Has anyone else experienced something similar?

I ordered my G5 through one of Apple's corporate discounts (I work for a company that has employee discounts in place through a specially branded online Apple Store), so I ended up saving around $400 through my combined corporate discount and the $200 discount from Apple.

My system:
2.5Mhz | 2gig RAM | 500g HD | Radeon 9800 | 20" aluminum Cinema Display
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I got a discount of just over €300 when I ordered a G5 2.5 + Airport card + 23" Display.
I didn't ask to cancel my order or anything like that. I just asked what was the best deal they could do. Once I claim all the tax back it all works out to be a good deal, so i am pretty happy with that. My shipping date is on or before the end of August. Just hope they stick to that date!

Anyone else in Europe with the same est. shipping date ??
 
wdlove said:
I hope that you are kidding. How does it compare to a G4?
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I haven't used a G4 tower before, but based on what I've heard, when all the fans kick on full blast, I'd say it's about as loud as the MDD (was that the loud one? It's pretty darn loud.)

However, as I said before, it's extremely rare for all the fans to kick on full blast (It's only happened to me once, and that was just for a few seconds). Usually, it's whisper quiet. During all the renders I've done so far (quite a few, actually), it sounds about like a house fan on low. (I know, I said medium earlier, but then I turned the fan on and realized that the G5 sounds more like "low")
 
Just a friendly reminder...

When you enter your information into "The List", the order date MUST be in this format MM/DD/YYYY (sorry those from Europe). Otherwise the database will not sort correctly. That means 06/09/2004 instead of 6/09 or 28/6/04. I have fixed a few but I can't fix all of them. Please edit your entries accordingly. Thanks. :D

From now on the link will be in my sig.
 
Hi there,

Is anybody who received a 2.5 wih the 9800XT willing to perform the cinebenchtest? It would be interesting to see the difference with the 9600XT.

Cinebench available at http://www.cinebench.com/

If possible both the 'normal' and the G5-optimised version please.

Thank you vey much, odo
 
brykken said:
Just a friendly reminder...

When you enter your information into "The List", the order date MUST be in this format MM/DD/YYYY (sorry those from Europe). Otherwise the database will not sort correctly. That means 06/09/2004 instead of 6/09 or 28/6/04. I have fixed a few but I can't fix all of them. Please edit your entries accordingly. Thanks. :D

From now on the link will be in my sig.
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Also, some people have "yes" for received but no received date, and I'm pretty sure they haven't all received their machines.
 
Mutual appreciation society

pooka said:
I find posts like this particularly amusing. First off, (blah blah blah)
Furthermore, (blah blah blah)

If you are talking about AppleCare (no sh*t, Sherlock - no pun intended), I completely agree.

-pooka
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I, too, find posts like yours amusing. You sit around and wait to pounce on somebody for using either an incorrect analogy or some _minor_ technicality. You KNOW bloody well what I was talking about and you have to admit that the liquid cooling is 'bleeding edge technology' regardless of whether Apple developed it 'in house' or not. I do not want a repeat of the problems that the mirrored door G4 adapters had to suffer.

YES the G5 is a new processor (for Apple) and YES it was developed by IBM (and still is, and any bugs therein are their fault not Apple's), but WE are the early adopters and pay the price for riding the bleeding edge and I'm so glad we agree on buying the Apple Protection Plan (extended waranty, swap the damn box, whatever you wanto to call it).
 
pooka said:
I find posts like this particularly amusing. First off, a CPU isn't something that you can really "work the bugs out of." They only have a few hundred hardware functions (aka instructions.) Either the CPU works at it's rated speed at the factory, or they bump the speed down until it does. Only a small percentage of the target yeild do not function at all. The fact that IBM is having yield issues on the 2.5 only means that there are more 1.8 and 2.0ghz parts available. Chances are, IBM is *only* manufacturing 2.5s for Apple at this point - the 1.8 and 2.0ghz CPUs are simply the byproduts of that process when something goes wrong with the 2.5ghz yield. If there were any real issues (such as the flawed Pentium CPU,) they would be recalled.

-pooka
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With respect to the statement that slower speed processors being a side effect of a yield issue, I have an opinion. Here it is.

This may be a true statement but is most likely not. IBM yield issues are probably not an AC performance issue (i.e. a number of parts will work slowly and not enough work at the design target frequencies). In fact IBM has talked about their defect densities as being the root of the problem. This inidcates that there are specific defects on too many places on the raw silicon wafer. These defects cover enough individual die to make a greater than anticipated of them just plain bad. These defects make the chip dead and non-functional. May not be able to execute all the instructions required successfully for instance. I would expect that these die do not pass the basic tests that indicate whether the device is logically correct (typically determined by tests call Single Stuck At tests). These issues have nothing to do with the logical correctness of the design or the electical correctness of the design (how fast will the device run).

Now the electical correctness is in fact something that you can "work the bugs out of". In all designs, there are critical paths from an electical and timing point of view. One can go back and modify these paths with circuit techniques and potentially logical changes to make it run faster. This may cause a higher percentage of the process distribution to yield parts that run at higher frequencies. This would then be a situation where one is "working the bugs out" to increase yield. However, I do not think that this is the situation today with the IBM fabs.


IBM is not going to tell anyone what exactly is wrong with the process. This is like admiting that you do not know what you are doing. This is something that many people have problems with and corporations have a real problem with because they are usually punished by Wall Street for actions like this. These dynamics leave people like us in this thread left to speculation and conjecture. We can only take small tidbits of information and try to extrapolate what seems to be the most likely the truth.
 
Just happy for all of you

I'm no power user. I'm quite happy with my iMac 800, and will be happy with my AlPB 15 when it arrives tomorrow.
I have been following with interest the whole delivery quagmire inflicted on you all by Apple. I'm happy that the 2.5's have started shipping, and that the first reports are positive as far as quality, fit and finish. It's diappointing that you had to wait so long, but it would have been far worse to get your box a week or so sooner, only to have defective equipment to contend with.
Here's hoping that all of you get your 2.5's before the week is out, that they all rock, and that they are obsolete in January when the 3.0's are announced (of course those won't ship until at least April!) :)
 
I'm finding that placing several ice pails on and around the tower, along with keeping the air conditioning set to high, is eking out about 2.3 more fps on avg. in several of the many Mac games for which I specifically ordered my dual 2.5 to play. Just kidding.

I agree with the guy above who mentioned the high fan noise during renders. It's not much worse than the dual 1.8 though (or dual 2.0, which I've never used). To those of you who ordered less than 1.5 gb ram: OS X is still bitch-slapping the HD to get it to tow the line for virtual ram.



Dual G5 2.5, 1.5 gb (more on the way), 160 HD, NV 6800, 17" Studio
Dual 1.8 Rev A, 6 GB, 160 HD, 9800 Pro retail
iMac G4 800, 768mb, 60HD, NV geforce 2mx
Powerbook G4 1 ghz, , 512mb

All tied up for the next 1.5 weeks on one Maya render.
 
FedEx reports my G5 is only a couple dozen miles away and will assuredly make its expected arrival tomorrow morning. I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight. I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve.

Aug 8, 2004
9:52 pm = Arrived at FedEx Ramp = ROMULUS MI
5:21 pm = Left FedEx Sort Facility = MEMPHIS TN

Aug 7, 2004
12:15 am = Arrived at Sort Facility = MEMPHIS TN

Aug 6, 2004
3:48 pm = Left FedEx Sort Facility = ANCHORAGE AK

Aug 5, 2004
10:34 pm = Left FedEx Ramp = SHENZHEN CN
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I wonder if it's too late to take tomorrow off?
 
Essefgy said:
I wonder if it's too late to take tomorrow off?
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Duff-Man says...cough cough cough....I think I am cough coming down cough with something cough cough...I don't think cough I should come in cough today so that I don't cough make my co-workers cough cough sick too...cough cough....that's my plan when mine ships....heheheh.....oh yeah!
 
Cheers! Here's hoping that our macs ship this week! (please... maybe tommorrow? :rolleyes:)

Well, who knows... let's wish for an eventful week!
 
brykken said:
Cheers! Here's hoping that our macs ship this week! (please... maybe tommorrow? :rolleyes:)

Well, who knows... let's wish for an eventful week!
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To quote the man I spoke with: "Those people with an order date of 'on or before 8/20' will see their computers ship before 8/20."

My bet: The resellers will begin to receive their shipments the week after next or later this week, with quantities in the hundreds. Ours should all ship this week before theirs do. :)

(On my last conversation with Apple Billing I was told that my machine was currently being built! :D )
 
Big Problems

There seems to be big problems with the G5 at the moment. Here's an email I recieved from my sales rep this morning.

Yes, they are shipping in the States, but still not here. Apple have a major problem with G5s generally (we can't get ANY G5 models right now, and as the largest UK dealer, that really hurts us), which they are keeping fairly calm about, but it's unusual for such a broad shortage to happen.

On the 2.5 model, the due date keeps getting put back, and Apple have now told us to expect them in the third week of August.

I apologise for the lack of information, but I can assure you that I'm not keeping anything from you - that really is all Apple UK can tell us.

Hang in there....
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That doesn't sound good to me!
 
whookam said:
There seems to be big problems with the G5 at the moment. Here's an email I recieved from my sales rep this morning.



That doesn't sound good to me!
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No, that doesn't sound too good. Now, the question is, what is going to happen to the new iMac G5. Since there seems to be a shortage of all G5 models, IBM might still have problems with the yields. So even if Apple announces the iMac G5 at Paris Expo, they might not ship in quantities until well into autumn or even early winter. What is Apple going to sell in the next few months? Even new PB and iBook revisions won't help too much.

Edit: Just another thought that came to my mind, if IBM only has problems to build enough chips that are rated at 1.8 GHz and above, Apple could put "low speed" G5s (1.6 GHz and below) into the new iMac :eek:
 
I bet IBM is still having a lot of yield issues, and add that to the fact they are reserving quite a few g5 processors for the iMac, then you get the delays as we see them today... sadly.. but true
 
Suggestions for "The List"

A thousand thanks for implementing the G5 order database for us. It will be exciting to see them arrive. A few suggestions:

1. Correct the spellings of "receive" on the entry form.
2. How about a column to enter the "on or before" date?
3. Maybe people could post their FedEx tracking numbers in a column?
4. A column to enter what machine they'll be replacing would be interesting since there are quite a few making huge jumps.
5. A column to enter a link to a user's photos/reviews once they've received their Mac.

Thanks!

mactarkus
 
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