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You are still over generalizing. Let me rephrase what you are saying. "I don't like the monitors, because they don't have the features I need. And because I find them overpriced I hereby declare them junk, and by implication I declare that anyone who finds that the monitors suit their needs should return to the village missing their village idiot."

So who died and made you Emperor of Good Value and Good Taste?

There you go with your generalizations again. Good Lord I wish I had a product to sell at the margins Apple products can demand. If you can sell your product, and sell a lot of it, at a higher price than your competition.... then I would call that successful. And I'm sure with your MBA and access to Apple's competitive data that you know exactly how many monitors they sell. :rolleyes:
There you go again.... Do you ever consider, just once, allowing that what you are saying is opinion? Perhaps a little conjecture and educated guesses? Any product is worth what people will actually pay for it. Enough people pay for the peripherals that - it's worth what it's priced at - for those people. If you think it's overpriced, don't buy it. Terribly simple, really.
Why? Do you think the bright lights at Apple haven't thought of that? Apple sells enough monitors, for Apple's needs, just the way the are. They just don't apparently sell enough units to suit your needs. If you were a stock holder, you would actually have the right to question Apple on this decision. Even if you were a stock holder, all you are doing here is messing up a perfectly fine discussion on the speakers in the Apple displays.


I don't have any Windows computers around. The last Windows I played on was XP as a virtual machine inside OS X. And that only because my wife needed XP as a virtual machine on her MBP for work, and so I had it so I could answer the occasional question.

So it's bad having a monitor from Dell that suits everyone needs? Since it can do anything and be connected to anything? Unlike the Apple monitors?

I bet Apple doesn't sell very many of them compared to the number of computers they sell- most consumers are smarter than that.

It's a fact that Dell monitors work with all types of computers, and give you the same amount of screen real estate for less money. It's a matter of opinion whether you should spend hundreds extra for a crippled product because it has a little Apple on the front.

Serious computer users have Windows around- it's impossible to avoid. I try not to use it day to day, but I run into things that can only be done on Windows on a regular basis.
 
BiggAW, I dont understand where the break in understanding is. I will try to give out some facts, its up to you to decide which monitor is best for you. However the decision is a lot closer than you make it out to be.
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Both the Dell monitors and the Apple monitors offer specific features. They also share some basic features.

-BOTH the Dell 24" and 27" monitors offer IPS panels.

-BOTH the Apple 24" and 27" offer IPS panels and LED backlighting.

-Dell offers various connections and card readers.

-Apple offers a standardized connection, as well as a magsafe cable to charge their laptops.

-Apple offers speakers, microphone and an isight as well.

-Dell offers a more flexible stand.
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So both companies offers IPS panels with different styles of convenience. Apples monitors are both LED backlit which might make them arguably better visually.

You might hold more connectivity options higher and like the Dell, however im sure there are PLENTY of people that love the convenience of built in speakers, iSight, microphone and magsafe connector. Which of those people are correct? shrug.

In the end you have two very good mid range monitors, both offer good convenience for specific users.

Apple's monitors cost: $799 and $999 (24" and 27" respectively)

Dell's monitors cost: $599 and $999 (24" and 27" respectively)

fin.
 
So it's bad having a monitor from Dell that suits everyone needs? Since it can do anything and be connected to anything? Unlike the Apple monitors?
No, it's not bad. Did anyone say it was? But I'd rather have the Apple monitor that connects to the Apple computer that I have. And integrates well with it.

Serious computer users have Windows around- it's impossible to avoid. I try not to use it day to day, but I run into things that can only be done on Windows on a regular basis.

I haven't used Windows in over a year. And as a software developer, I'd say I'm a "serious computer user." As a matter of fact, most "serious computer users" I know hate Windows and use Linux/Mac. Just what is a "serious computer user" anyway?

Yes, Windows has a larger market share. Yes, some apps don't exist on the Mac. But saying all "serious computer users" need Windows is just plain made up.
 
Guys? Maybe it's reasonable to stop trying to explain somwthing to BiggAW? He claims that monitors are made of glass, doesn't it show enought about his knowledge?

J&JPolangin, the day is coming. For last 10 years, windows did not improve it's stability.
 
BiggAW, I dont understand where the break in understanding is. I will try to give out some facts, its up to you to decide which monitor is best for you. However the decision is a lot closer than you make it out to be.
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Both the Dell monitors and the Apple monitors offer specific features. They also share some basic features.

-BOTH the Dell 24" and 27" monitors offer IPS panels.

-BOTH the Apple 24" and 27" offer IPS panels and LED backlighting.

-Dell offers various connections and card readers.

-Apple offers a standardized connection, as well as a magsafe cable to charge their laptops.

-Apple offers speakers, microphone and an isight as well.

-Dell offers a more flexible stand.
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So both companies offers IPS panels with different styles of convenience. Apples monitors are both LED backlit which might make them arguably better visually.

You might hold more connectivity options higher and like the Dell, however im sure there are PLENTY of people that love the convenience of built in speakers, iSight, microphone and magsafe connector. Which of those people are correct? shrug.

In the end you have two very good mid range monitors, both offer good convenience for specific users.

Apple's monitors cost: $799 and $999 (24" and 27" respectively)

Dell's monitors cost: $599 and $999 (24" and 27" respectively)

fin.

MDP is now a "standard" but many computers don't have it. Thus, they can't connect to the Apple monitor. In fact, my APPLE computer cannot connect to those monitors, and it's still got a few weeks of it's 3-year service life left (and will be pushed to at least 3.5 years due to hard drive, memory, OS, and battery upgrade/replacements). What a genius move: make a monitor that some of your own computers cannot connect to. Admittedly, it can't drive a DL DVI monitor, but it could still run a 24", if it had VGA/DVI, both of which can be adapted from the mini-DVI port.

OTOH, I can't think of a Dell monitor that my computer cannot connect to. It would even physically connect to a 30", even though it wouldn't be able to drive native resolution, so it would be rather useless.

That's another thing that's highly irritating. Apple keeps making up little monitor connectors, and then charging outrageous prices for the adapters. At least the Mini-VGA on the iBook came with the adapter. Now with Mini-DVI and MDP, you have to buy the adapter to get a normal port out of it. At least Monoprice has come to the rescue and made cheaper adapters. It shouldn't be so hard.

I have a Magsafe connector and audio in my "docking cable", you can make a docking cable with some twist ties and add whatever you want on there. Once you've got power, gigabit, USB, and audio, you're pretty much set, as everything else runs off of USB.
 
Guys? Maybe it's reasonable to stop trying to explain somwthing to BiggAW? He claims that monitors are made of glass, doesn't it show enought about his knowledge?

J&JPolangin, the day is coming. For last 10 years, windows did not improve it's stability.

It's a word used to describe the panels. If you know much about monitors, you've heard the term. Helllooooo.
 
So it's bad having a monitor from Dell that suits everyone needs? Since it can do anything and be connected to anything? Unlike the Apple monitors?
You don't understand my point at all. I don't care about the relative qualities of Dell vs Apple. That's the wonderful thing about choice. What I care about is being called an idiot, by implication, by somebody who knows, in my opinion, squat about the industry. If you like Dell, great. I don't really care. Why do you care what display I buy? Has someone appointed you arbiter of good taste?
I bet Apple doesn't sell very many of them compared to the number of computers they sell- most consumers are smarter than that.

It's a fact that Dell monitors work with all types of computers, and give you the same amount of screen real estate for less money. It's a matter of opinion whether you should spend hundreds extra for a crippled product because it has a little Apple on the front.

Serious computer users have Windows around- it's impossible to avoid. I try not to use it day to day, but I run into things that can only be done on Windows on a regular basis.

And of course the rest of it was just trolling for fun....
 
You don't understand my point at all. I don't care about the relative qualities of Dell vs Apple. That's the wonderful thing about choice. What I care about is being called an idiot, by implication, by somebody who knows, in my opinion, squat about the industry. If you like Dell, great. I don't really care. Why do you care what display I buy? Has someone appointed you arbiter of good taste?


And of course the rest of it was just trolling for fun....

It's amazing the sort of Apple fanboys out there, who will waste hundreds just to get a little apple logo on it. Some of us aren't blind followers of Steve.
 
Who is talking about wasting hundreds of dollars? You make it seem like the Apple monitors are twice the price of its competitors.

The 27" Dell and Apple monitors are the same price (the Dell might even be MORE expensive).

The 24" Apple monitor is $200 more expensive.

I dont understand how you think there are huge gaps between the price VS feature category. Sounds less like Apple fanboys more like a troll.
 
You don't understand my point at all. I don't care about the relative qualities of Dell vs Apple. That's the wonderful thing about choice. What I care about is being called an idiot, by implication, by somebody who knows, in my opinion, squat about the industry. If you like Dell, great. I don't really care. Why do you care what display I buy? Has someone appointed you arbiter of good taste? ....

It's amazing the sort of Apple fanboys out there, who will waste hundreds just to get a little apple logo on it. Some of us aren't blind followers of Steve.

The definition of "Fanboy" from the UrbanDictionary.com.....

"...
2 - 2: A pathetic insult often used by fanboys themselves to try and put down people who don't like whatever it is they like.

3: ...Fanboys usually acuse others of being fanboys....

6: ...A person who has an undying urge to sway everyone that is not a believer of the belief system they have towards a ... piece of hardware. If they do not succeed, they will not sway from their statement infront of anyone who knows their stance!."
 
Who is talking about wasting hundreds of dollars? You make it seem like the Apple monitors are twice the price of its competitors.

The 27" Dell and Apple monitors are the same price (the Dell might even be MORE expensive).

The 24" Apple monitor is $200 more expensive.

I dont understand how you think there are huge gaps between the price VS feature category. Sounds less like Apple fanboys more like a troll.

They are several hundred dollars more for an inferior product.
 
The definition of "Fanboy" from the UrbanDictionary.com.....

"...
2 - 2: A pathetic insult often used by fanboys themselves to try and put down people who don't like whatever it is they like.

3: ...Fanboys usually acuse others of being fanboys....

6: ...A person who has an undying urge to sway everyone that is not a believer of the belief system they have towards a ... piece of hardware. If they do not succeed, they will not sway from their statement infront of anyone who knows their stance!."

So what am I a fanboy of? Hmmm, gotcha there.
 
How are they by default "several hundred more"?

the Dell 27" and Apple 27" are the same price currently.

The Dell is on sale and normally costs MORE than the Apple 27"

Once again what makes them inferior? Ohh yeah, you just hold more connections higher than other things. Some would call the Dells inferior because of the lack of LED back lighting.

The point is that you like the Dells more since they have more connection options, not that either of the products are inferior to one another.

You come off more as an Apple hater than anything else. This is coming from someone who uses two Dell 2410's on his main work machine.
 
How are they by default "several hundred more"?

the Dell 27" and Apple 27" are the same price currently.

The Dell is on sale and normally costs MORE than the Apple 27"

Once again what makes them inferior? Ohh yeah, you just hold more connections higher than other things. Some would call the Dells inferior because of the lack of LED back lighting.

The point is that you like the Dells more since they have more connection options, not that either of the products are inferior to one another.

You come off more as an Apple hater than anything else. This is coming from someone who uses two Dell 2410's on his main work machine.

Some Dells are LED, some aren't. The fact of the matter is that the Apple displays cannot connect to most computers, including many of Apple's own computers. Dell monitors will connect to about anything, and are substantively cheaper.
 
Also, Dells aren't the be-all end-all for displays, there is HP, Lenovo, Samsung, and many others. What do they all have in common? Ports that actually work with all computers, and stiff competition to keep the prices in check.
 
You are comparing generic Dell monitors to Apples? That doesnt work, of course they are cheaper then Apple. Are all Eizo monitors inferior to Dell monitors since they are more expensive and have less connections?

Did you know that Dell also offers lots of computers for ~$500. They also have a ton of connections, more than Apple. ALL of Apples computers are inferior to Dells. Why would anyone buy an Apple computer?!?!

Apple 27" = Dell 27" in price.

They offer different connections.

YOU choose which monitor you want by which features better suits your needs. Both are good monitors, AND the same price.

I dont understand the logic and will be giving up shortly.

EDIT: Those other manufacturers dont really make monitors that can be compared to Apples, or even Dells high end. There is a difference in the technology used. TN panel != IPS panel.

The Apple 24" is slightly more expensive than other monitors in its range (read: ~$200). I chose the Dell 2410 because it was better for my needs. That IN NO WAY makes the Apple 24" a bad monitor or inferior...
 
You are comparing generic Dell monitors to Apples? That doesnt work, of course they are cheaper then Apple. Are all Eizo monitors inferior to Dell monitors since they are more expensive and have less connections?

Did you know that Dell also offers lots of computers for ~$500. They also have a ton of connections, more than Apple. ALL of Apples computers are inferior to Dells. Why would anyone buy an Apple computer?!?!

Apple 27" = Dell 27" in price.

They offer different connections.

YOU choose which monitor you want by which features better suits your needs. Both are good monitors, AND the same price.

I dont understand the logic and will be giving up shortly.

EDIT: Those other manufacturers dont really make monitors that can be compared to Apples, or even Dells high end. There is a difference in the technology used. TN panel != IPS panel.

The Apple 24" is slightly more expensive than other monitors in its range (read: ~$200). I chose the Dell 2410 because it was better for my needs. That IN NO WAY makes the Apple 24" a bad monitor or inferior...

Wow, you found one model that's not hundreds overpriced.

Do Dell computers do the same thing as Apple computers? No.

Do Dell monitors do the same thing as Apple monitors? Yes. And more.
 
Every car manufacturer is inferior to Kia because they do the same and cost a lot more.

Every watch manufacturer is inferior to Casio because they all do the same thing and cost more.

You are not comparing, for lack of a better term, Apples to Apples.

I think that is where the confusion is. Comparing models that have the same basic features and quality the Apple Monitors are fairly priced.
 
I wonder if anyone has a setup with two 24 inch cinema displays that have speakers integrated into them...

How do the speakers work? Do you run a USB cable to each monitor so you have both sets of speakers working at the same time? Can you configure the monitor on the left to just play audio for the left channel and the monitor on the right to play just audio for the right channel?

It may be possible to do this, in principle. But WHY? At best, you'll wind up with a mediocre and possibly buggy sound system mucking up your big $$$ system; after all, if you're using dual 24s you've already got about $1.6k tied up in monitors plus the (not cheap) Mac Pro needed to run them...

Buy some real speakers already...
 
Every car manufacturer is inferior to Kia because they do the same and cost a lot more.

Every watch manufacturer is inferior to Casio because they all do the same thing and cost more.

You are not comparing, for lack of a better term, Apples to Apples.

I think that is where the confusion is. Comparing models that have the same basic features and quality the Apple Monitors are fairly priced.

Wow, now we're resorting to using analogies that don't even make sense?
 
Ok, I will spell it out then.

You need to compare models that have the closest quality panels. What you see on the monitor is probably the most important feature correct? So we need to find monitors that use comparable panels, correct?

Assuming the panel is the most important, there are only two Dell monitors that are comparable.

They are:

Dell u2410 ($599)
Dell u2711 ($1099)

You can not compare monitors with different base features and expect to be understood. Your comparison doesnt make sense because you are not comparing items that share the same basic qualities.

Your comparison is the exact same as my outlandish analogies.
 
Can't wait for the 27" inchs which I'm seriously considering for my new Mac Pro and have the dual mini display ports in the back is a added plus.:D:D:D

I would just get the sleek bose sound system. Either companion 3 (Which is really good) or C5 ( Movie theater IMAX sound quality)

24" displays are good buys now for $799 but they should have been priced that low from the beginning. :cool:
 
Ok, I will spell it out then.

You need to compare models that have the closest quality panels. What you see on the monitor is probably the most important feature correct? So we need to find monitors that use comparable panels, correct?

Assuming the panel is the most important, there are only two Dell monitors that are comparable.

They are:

Dell u2410 ($599)
Dell u2711 ($1099)

You can not compare monitors with different base features and expect to be understood. Your comparison doesnt make sense because you are not comparing items that share the same basic qualities.

Your comparison is the exact same as my outlandish analogies.

The U2410 is $499, $300 less than the Apple, and is in the Ultrasharp series, so it's at least as good of a monitor as the Apple one, and it has SEVEN inputs, including DVI, HDMI, Displayport, VGA, and Component. That $300 will get you an extra power supply, a bag of twist ties, and still leave you with over $200.

I can't find a price for the Apple 27" but you can buy the Dell now with 7 inputs for $999. Take that Apple display.

And you fail to mention the 30". Dell's is $1400, Apple's is $1800, and Dell's uses newer glass than Apple's. It uses DVI-D. Dell's more expensive monitor, with 7 inputs again, is $1600, a full $200 cheaper than Apple's.
 
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