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Dual-Core PowerMacs, New G4 PowerBook, and G5 Mini?
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iMac/MiniMac can't use 64-bit today, so why not Pentium-M ??
Apple has marketed itself into this corner - a dual-core Yonah would be great for these systems, but there's the 64-bit marketing problem.
BTW, the fiasco with the security update turning off 64-bit shows how important actual 64-bit support is to Apple, and how many 64-bit applications actually exist. (Apparently, "not" and "1")
Since the iMac/MiniMac systems can't be fitted with more than 4 GiB of RAM, there isn't much point to 64-bit in those systems.aclose72 said:
Apple has marketed itself into this corner - a dual-core Yonah would be great for these systems, but there's the 64-bit marketing problem.
BTW, the fiasco with the security update turning off 64-bit shows how important actual 64-bit support is to Apple, and how many 64-bit applications actually exist. (Apparently, "not" and "1")
adrianl said:
Let me clarify:
Mac minis updated early next year (yest, definetly mactel)
iMacs will be updated before mid 06 early 07, but will go Mactel then
Sorry for the poorly worded post
why do i think it is funny that his argument :
"powerbooks will not get G5's because of the cost or redisigning the motherboard and then redesigning again for intel"
is not applied to the mac mini.
if they put a G5 in a mini, i see no reason for them not to put it into the Powerbook. yes there will be a redesign..but that can wait.
"powerbooks will not get G5's because of the cost or redisigning the motherboard and then redesigning again for intel"
is not applied to the mac mini.
if they put a G5 in a mini, i see no reason for them not to put it into the Powerbook. yes there will be a redesign..but that can wait.
Abercrombieboy said:
The thing is Apple will be using newer processors from Intel that have to be better than current G5 and Pentium 4's, but they haven't done so yet. Announcing they will be using a different architecture doesn't mean the technology formerly used is dead. Hundreds of thousands of G5 PowerMac and iMac owners wouldn't agree with you one bit.
BTW I think 2.7 GHz is closer to 3.0 GHz than 3.6 is to 4.0 Ghz. Why don't you say the the G5 is almost at 3.0 GHz as well? To be a Mac owner you sound a little one-sided on Pentiums there. And the performance of an iMac is very different compared to a PowerMac anyway.
Surreal said:
Look...............PB = 1" thin = G4.......iMac = 2" thin = G5 possible.....Mini = 2"thin = G5 "more" possible than PB........Hight or thinkness is important because the G5 needs a lagre Heatsink
That 1" difference or 2.54cm......thats a lot when it comes to cooling....Also the Mini gets a power socket to suck power from...The PB gets a bettery...the G5 uses a lot of power...Battery time = 30min. If it was not like this they would have had PB with G5 last year when they got the iMac on it
I want a Yonah PowerBook by January and I'm going to hold my breath and turn blue until I get it! See, I'm doing it!!! Look, Apple look!!!
I'm willing to try anything If everyone does their part, we can make Apple and Intel move faster Come on, let me hope...
Because if I don't get my way, I'll... I'll... I'll... buy an Intel Mini and then save up for a Merom PowerBook!
I'm willing to try anything
If everyone does their part, we can make Apple and Intel move faster Come on, let me hope...Because if I don't get my way, I'll... I'll... I'll... buy an Intel Mini and then save up for a Merom PowerBook!
Same goes for AMD.Platform said:Just to say......heard of the Mhz myth
And the P4 is now at 3.8
Look At AppleInsider!
The latest article says that an analyst notes that 2.7GHz PowerMac supply is drying up - this means a PowerMac update is much more likely. Though it would be a letdown if the top model went dual-core and the others didn't even move up (Dual 2.3, Dual 2.5, Dual Dual 2.7).
The latest article says that an analyst notes that 2.7GHz PowerMac supply is drying up - this means a PowerMac update is much more likely. Though it would be a letdown if the top model went dual-core and the others didn't even move up (Dual 2.3, Dual 2.5, Dual Dual 2.7).
I hope it gets updated. Becouse I have now decided to wait for the Paris Expo to buy my first Mac desktop.922 said:
Platform said:
Open a Mac mini and tell me that again. There are two drives sitting on top of the logic board in a MacMini, not so in a PB where they are off to the side. There is no extra room in there over a Powerbook. Probably even less.
G5 mini is most definitely *not* more possible than a PB. Open one up and you'll see for yourself.
Apple is still trying to squeeze as much money out of us as possible. With Macintels next year, that are suppose to be cheaper and faster Apple is just trying to make fools out of us all. Times change, that's for sure. When you get old, you get greedy. Yet another switch. Buy new hardware and buy new software. Is Apple going to switch back to the superior RISC platform after the Macintels flop? Buy new hardware and software again? Not the same company it used to be. I remember hangning out with Woz when I was 13 and talking to him about the Apple II. I knew more about the way it worked then he did, I guess that's what is going on now. He just gets his checks and has no clue.
It's been stated by others before but should be repeated.... The "G5 won't work in the mini if it won't work in a PowerBook" argument relies on the assumption that heat dissipation is the issue. It might not be the issue at all, especially if you factor in these lower power consumption chips that IBM announced. It's every bit as likely that what holds back the G5 in the PowerBook is short battery life which obviously has no effect on the mini.hayesk said:
Not a bad time to buy a Mac at all
Good thinking. SOMETHING new is likely
And now is a good time to buy a G4--if now, not next year, is when you need a computer. Waiting makes sense otherwise--the G4 will be the first to go when the Intel transition begins. But now is a GREAT time to buy a G5.
There are indeed good reasons to choose to wait--Intel has some great chips planned, and software will begin to take advantage of them. Plus we all like to have the "next thing." But there are also some VERY good reasons to choose to buy a Mac before the Intel transition:
1. ALL current apps will run great on PowerPC. No worries about what Rosetta will or will not run, and how fast. No worries about what is or is not optimized for the new platform. I suspect the non-Intel-compatible apps will be few--but there will be SOME at first, for the Intel Mac early adopters.
2. Most future apps too will run on PPC--and at full speed. Universal binaries. For years. Some won't eventually, but that's always the case with any computer purchase. Even OS X's next version, 10.5 Leopard, will run on PowerPC (which we know from the timing). And years from now, the one after that? Maybe.
3. You avoid the growing pains any new product line has. Let others--like me!--be the guinea pigs!
4. If you ever want to run Classic (OS 9) apps, you know you've got the option.
5. You get a new Mac NOW instead of in 6 months to 2+ years Think what you could be doing with it...
6. And even if you switch to an Intel Mac later, you won't have to re-buy all your software. Most apps (anything G3-compatible) will run via Rosetta--and not half badly, from reports. Many apps will get free updates and run even better than that. But to be safe, If you plan to buy any big apps now, do ask the company if a free Intel Mac version will be made available--and if they can't answer, then wait a few months (for that app) until they can answer.
So buy now or buy later--whatever best meets your needs. It's a personal choice, and it depends on exactly what things you want to DO with your first Mac. Either choice has benefits. I know if I were still stuck on Windows, I'd want to get my computing life moved to Tiger ASAP Preferably on a G5, but even a G4 Mini tempts me when I see them...
Don't mind the trolls, every forum has 'em
Xephian said:
Good thinking. SOMETHING new is likely
And now is a good time to buy a G4--if now, not next year, is when you need a computer. Waiting makes sense otherwise--the G4 will be the first to go when the Intel transition begins. But now is a GREAT time to buy a G5.
There are indeed good reasons to choose to wait--Intel has some great chips planned, and software will begin to take advantage of them. Plus we all like to have the "next thing." But there are also some VERY good reasons to choose to buy a Mac before the Intel transition:
1. ALL current apps will run great on PowerPC. No worries about what Rosetta will or will not run, and how fast. No worries about what is or is not optimized for the new platform. I suspect the non-Intel-compatible apps will be few--but there will be SOME at first, for the Intel Mac early adopters.
2. Most future apps too will run on PPC--and at full speed. Universal binaries. For years. Some won't eventually, but that's always the case with any computer purchase. Even OS X's next version, 10.5 Leopard, will run on PowerPC (which we know from the timing). And years from now, the one after that? Maybe.
3. You avoid the growing pains any new product line has. Let others--like me!--be the guinea pigs!
4. If you ever want to run Classic (OS 9) apps, you know you've got the option.
5. You get a new Mac NOW instead of in 6 months to 2+ years
Think what you could be doing with it...6. And even if you switch to an Intel Mac later, you won't have to re-buy all your software. Most apps (anything G3-compatible) will run via Rosetta--and not half badly, from reports. Many apps will get free updates and run even better than that. But to be safe, If you plan to buy any big apps now, do ask the company if a free Intel Mac version will be made available--and if they can't answer, then wait a few months (for that app) until they can answer.
So buy now or buy later--whatever best meets your needs. It's a personal choice, and it depends on exactly what things you want to DO with your first Mac. Either choice has benefits. I know if I were still stuck on Windows, I'd want to get my computing life moved to Tiger ASAP
Preferably on a G5, but even a G4 Mini tempts me when I see them...Don't mind the trolls, every forum has 'em
nagromme said:Good thinking. SOMETHING new is likely
And now is a good time to buy a G4 if now, not next year, is when you need a computer. Waiting makes sense otherwise--the G4 will be the first to go when the Intel transition begins. But now is a GREAT time to buy a G5.
There are indeed good reasons to choose to wait--Intel has some great chips planned. But there are also some VERY good reasons to choose to buy a Mac before the Intel transition:
1. ALL current apps will run great on PowerPC. No worries about what Rosetta will or will not run, and how fast. No worries about what is or is not optimized for the new platform. I suspect the non-Intel-compatible apps will be few--but there will be SOME at first, for the Intel Mac early adopters.
2. Most future apps too will run on PPC--and at full speed. Universal binaries. For years. Some won't eventually, but that's always the case with any computer purchase. Even OS X's next version, 10.5 Leopard, will run on PowerPC (which we know from the timing). And years from now, the one after that? Maybe.
3. You avoid the growing pains any new product line has. Let others--like me!--be the guinea pigs!
4. If you ever want to run Classic (OS 9) apps, you know you've got the option.
5. You get a new Mac NOW instead of in 6 months to 2+ years
6. And even if you switch to an Intel Mac later, you won't have to re-buy all your software. Most apps (anything G3-compatible) will run via Rosetta--and not half badly, from reports. Many apps will get free updates and run even better than that. But to be safe, If you plan to buy any big apps now, do ask the company if a free Intel Mac version will be made available--and if they can't answer, then wait a few months (for that app) until they can answer.
So buy now or buy later--whatever best meets your needs. Either choice has benefits. I know if I were still stuck on Windows, I'd want to get my computing life moved to Tiger ASAP
Don't mind the trolls, every forum has 'em
I couldn't disagree more! Yeah, all my OS 9 software (pro-tools, DVD studio, etc.) ran fantastic on OS 10. NOT!!! And it was the same hardware! just an OS switch. Don't be fooled by this guy. Emulation will suck like usual. Just wait, save your cash. Buy a Mac off of ebay with the software you want and experiment before you spen thousands on a system that will be obsolete in 1 year.
nagromme said:Good thinking. SOMETHING new is likely
Best post (in this particular thread)... ever! Nicely put nagromme! Made me feeling even better about trading up at the Expo (only if there are new screen though!) despite the fact that I'll end up getting an Intel based PN when they are released. Well maybe after a month or two to view any teething problems....
why is it a waste of money ??
I'm concerned about the assumption that buying a PPC-based Mac is a poor invenstment.
If you buy now you know a number of things:
1. the hardware is well tested
2. the OS is well tested to run on the hardware
3. the software is well tested to run on the OS running on the hardware
As such, you will be buying a reasonably stable platform. Currently the hardware, OS and application software are in 'harmony'.
As the software evolves, you'll likely want to upgrade it to acquire new functionality. There will also come a point at some time in the future when you'll want to upgrade your hardware to improve performance.
Shortly things will fall out of harmony. But, there will come a time when they fall back in.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to buy now (after this year's Paris Expo) and wait out the period of termoil and uncertainty, being ready to buy again when things are back in harmony, say early 2008.
Three years is a reasonable amount of time to have a reasonably well-performing system. By which time you'd probably looking to upgrade either your hardware, software or both anyway.
Sorry if I'm rambling a little but I see no lack of intellect in making a buying decision now. It really depends on your needs and budget.
~iGuy
fordlemon said:
I'm concerned about the assumption that buying a PPC-based Mac is a poor invenstment.
If you buy now you know a number of things:
1. the hardware is well tested
2. the OS is well tested to run on the hardware
3. the software is well tested to run on the OS running on the hardware
As such, you will be buying a reasonably stable platform. Currently the hardware, OS and application software are in 'harmony'.
As the software evolves, you'll likely want to upgrade it to acquire new functionality. There will also come a point at some time in the future when you'll want to upgrade your hardware to improve performance.
Shortly things will fall out of harmony. But, there will come a time when they fall back in.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to buy now (after this year's Paris Expo) and wait out the period of termoil and uncertainty, being ready to buy again when things are back in harmony, say early 2008.
Three years is a reasonable amount of time to have a reasonably well-performing system. By which time you'd probably looking to upgrade either your hardware, software or both anyway.
Sorry if I'm rambling a little but I see no lack of intellect in making a buying decision now. It really depends on your needs and budget.
~iGuy
fordlemon said:
Sorry to hear about your frustration running really old apps. Your grudge with DVD Studio being better OS X native than it was in Classic doesn't make people "idiots" for choosing to buy a quad-core G5 Mac next month, however. If such a machine is released it will be the best combination of OS and power on the planet.
You're right that Rosetta will NOT run apps as well as if they were Intel native--it's a transitional measure and nobody denies that. Buying a G5 Mac is one way to dodge the issue. The choice depends partly on how often you update your apps. If you buy a G5 now, and an Intel Mac in 3 years, and were going to update your vital apps in 3 years anyway, then it's a non-issue. If not, then it's a potential issue--which you have many ways to deal with, ranging from Rosetta, to hanging on to your G5 for a while, to paying for an upgrade which has many benefits besides just speed.
In short, it's not the end of the world. (And Rosetta is not parallel to Classic--if you had problems with an app in Classic, that tells you nothing about Rosetta.)
Your choice to wait for Intel IS a good one--for you. It is a good choice for me, too. Not for EVERY user, though. That's the point I was explaining.
MacTel
There's going to be a flood of purchasing for the MacTel products, especially when word goes around just how Snappy they are for everyday tasks.
I would think they would begin the MacTel rollout for Powerbooks and iMacs, to get the biggest revenue boom from the new tech. The mini exists to pacify the bottom feeders and switchers that don't require and won't pay for the better mac performance.
I would hope that Apple gets the MacTel iMacs and Powerbooks out first.
BTW, "MacIntel" is the term that children use.
There's going to be a flood of purchasing for the MacTel products, especially when word goes around just how Snappy they are for everyday tasks.
I would think they would begin the MacTel rollout for Powerbooks and iMacs, to get the biggest revenue boom from the new tech. The mini exists to pacify the bottom feeders and switchers that don't require and won't pay for the better mac performance.
I would hope that Apple gets the MacTel iMacs and Powerbooks out first.
BTW, "MacIntel" is the term that children use.
I Agree, Sort Of
Steve said that the low end goes first. That means the iBook and the Mac mini (MWSF 06). Then Powerbook (WWDC 06), then eMac/iMac (MWSF 07), then finally the Power Mac (WWDC 07) (could be adjusted for entirely new product lines).
mugwump said:There's going to be a flood of purchasing for the MacTel products, especially when word goes around just how Snappy they are for everyday tasks.
I would think they would begin the MacTel rollout for Powerbooks and iMacs, to get the biggest revenue boom from the new tech. The mini exists to pacify the bottom feeders and switchers that don't require and won't pay for the better mac performance.
I would hope that Apple gets the MacTel iMacs and Powerbooks out first.
BTW, "MacIntel" is the term that children use.
Steve said that the low end goes first. That means the iBook and the Mac mini (MWSF 06). Then Powerbook (WWDC 06), then eMac/iMac (MWSF 07), then finally the Power Mac (WWDC 07) (could be adjusted for entirely new product lines).