Dual Core Yonah PC Notebook Specs

[Sunrunner]

My brother has a powerbook, i have an i book, my classmates (many) have macs. Plus my high school was MAC only. Those were the days! If people are using macs at college level doesnt that make a statement. MACS ARE BETTER THAN WINDOWS!!!

It amazes me that there are still people who dont accept that fact as a foregon conclusion...

 

[SiliconAddict]

vista is nothing more than XP warmed over

If you think that then you really don't know much about Vista. It may be buggy. It may have massive issues when it ships but underneath the surface is a MASSIVE overhaul to Windows. This isn't XP. Heck the code base isn't even based on XP its based on Windows Server 2003. If you look at the patches released over the last couple years you will see that ones that apply to NT, 2K, and XP don't in 2003 and that is because MS really tightened the code base. It’s not perfect but its worlds better then XP and that is before they started going to work on Vista.
What Microsoft is doing under the hood is just as big as Apple’s migration from OS 9 to OS X. And before people continue to hack on Vista might I mention a small thing called 10.0. Not 10.1 (Which wasn't much better.) or 10.2, 10.3, or 10.4. When Apple released OS 10.0 it was a FUGLY mess. I remember several of my friends who jumped in with both feet when Apple released it cursing it as if it was Windows ME. Most soon moved back to OS 9 until the FREE (Guess why.) 10.1 came out.

 

[Randall]

Just wait to see how many corporations actively migrate to vista right out of the gate, very very few. Vista does not give them anything new beyond what they have beyond XP or 2000.

That's true with any new OS release. Corporations almost always wait at least until SP1 before they even consider switching. That's just good practice. And BTW Vista is not "just a new skin on XP" (despite many people on these boards claiming otherwise). It is apparent that Microsoft is taking a step towards the *NIX architecture with Vista albeit a very small one. This is evident with their new shell MSH, which has been delayed from shipping w/Vista. Not just that, but they eventually want to get rid of hard drive letter labeling, they are adding soft links (ln) instead of shortcuts, and they have also changed the file structure from C:/Documents and Settings/username to C:/Users/username. Like I said, these are baby steps torwards *NIX, but you know what's coming... or at least what Microsoft wants to do in the long run. They are more security oriented now, they have to be, because Windows XP has been an insecure nightmare for end-users without spyware and virus protection.

 

[firebox]

I'm a trader, professionally. My entire living (a VERY good one I might add) is fed by knowledge of markets, buying patterns, what's in demand and what is not, and what is mostly "hype" of some nature.

Then you must have spotted, about 18 months/2 years ago, the Apple share price of around 18 dollars.... and made a killing! Anyone involved in tech or media with even one eye open would have noticed this, and made a lot more than just your next vehicle (unless it's an Enzo!...mmmmmm.)

...and you are the first "proffesional" trader making a "VERY" good living to feel the need to shout about it..in a mac forum...as a windows user.. that i've ever heard..

(I almost feel guilty saying what I do is work)

...Take 2..

Yes, the halo effect -is- very real and no.... it is not a major force, but you have to understand; Two people (of course the number is larger, but to just make a point) buying, say, an iMac because of the iPod in no way means that much to the OVER ALL status or nature of the main driving force behind Apple sales. I do not care, from a professional stand point, if 10,000 Macs are sold because 10,000 out of 1,000,000 iPod buyers thought "Hey, sure! Apple!" when the major, 90% / higher market, belongs to Windows and will for a VERY long time.

...just like the American car market was going to thrive for a VERY long time....untill someone else (read: The Japanese) came and very nearly collapsed it!

The only, -only- way OSX will be a MAJOR, huge, gigantic player is if HP and Dell, the top two PC distributors respectively, sell ONLY that operating system. Never gonna happen, btw.

i thought you we're "professional" !?!?

I'll leave the last bit in here for all to enjoy again....

I am simply saying: Do not , do NOT assume Apple or OSX will be or are -better, stronger, faster, harder-; That Apple users are "smarter" (that I could bitch about for days, more emotionally unstable I would say), or that the rest and majority of us (Windows users) are somehow "dirty" or "flawed" (this isn't a flame, read the posts)

Sorry to flame, i know it's an opinion and i really am not a Windows basher (unless sat in front of it) but some people just attract it..

 

[shawnce]

The room of people actively waiting for vistas release with some sort of awe and anticipation is a rather empty one. People are starting to figure out that vista is nothing more than XP warmed over (which was really nothing much more than 2000 warmed over in the first place). Just wait to see how many corporations actively migrate to vista right out of the gate, very very few. Vista does not give them anything new beyond what they have beyond XP or 2000.

Don't under estimate the capabilities that Vista brings to the table. It is the start of many new capabilities for Windows that application vendors will begin to leverage over the coming years. In many ways it is much like the transition from Mac OS to Mac OS X. It is not just a warmed over version of Windows but many fundamental things have changed and added to the operating system. It is catching up to Mac OS X in various areas and passing it by in others (areas arguably not that important to Apple at this time).

Vista will be disruptive in the Windows world at first but you should expect it to start to smooth out with the first service pack and with the release of updated applications.

Personally I will continue to use and want Mac OS X but I will be getting Vista for my PC systems once things stabilize.

 

[fabsgwu]

re: the power issue:

2.0 Ghz is on the high end of Yonah's power scale, for now... Lower power versions will start at 1.66 Ghz, and will be aimed at the lighter (iBook) non-gaming/consumer notebooks.

 

[Peace]

Whoever it was that said the X1600 only has 256megs is correct..
It's 128 or 256..The rest is shared..
Seems like Acer is really trying the hype machine.

 

[Marx55]

- We need double DVD-RW/DVD-R drives as even cheap PC-Windows boxes have been sporting for years!!!

most important Apple machines have them now...

They do not. I mean two drives. One drive is a DVD-RW and the other drive is a DVD-R. Why? To copy your CDs and DVDs. What Mac users do now is buy an external DVD-RW drive.

I know, this is a laptop thread. I meant for Desktops (sorry about not indicating that)...

 

[md11]

The processor weighs VERY little, I doubt Yonah has much to do with weight other than allowing the heat sink to be smaller.

Maybe a less powerconsuming portable don't needs a huge battery..

 

[matznentosh]

Why am I hearing "If it ain't white, it ain't right" in my head?

If everything worked together and other programs, accessories, etc were pointless the tech industry would crash into a million pieces and so would the US economy. Apple users need to move AWAY from this "everything together....must.....everything in the same place..... IT ALL HAS TO LOOK THE SAME!" and twitching. "We want iPods so small they fit UP the rectum and we can hear music inside our head."

Microsoft will always be the business darling because it BREEDS business. Apple does not; Atleast not to the same extent.... and ax the less-than marketshare crap.

Although Windowuser82 sounds rather like a troll, he makes an interesting point. Look at how business is funnelling so much money to the current set of politicians; I don't think it is because it is a Republican majority, but because whoever is there is happy to promote business interests.

Likewise, Business (with a capital B) may enjoy promoting Windows products because there are so many jobs generated around it; inefficiency may be welcome. I suppose this violates current thinking on free marked capitalism which is supposed to reward efficiency though. Who knows?

 

[mulletman13]

Sweet Jesus, 2gb of ram? Thats quite unexpected..

 

[boombashi]

Sweet Jesus, 2gb of ram? Thats quite unexpected..

Yeah seems pretty beefy for a stock machine - I doubt Apple would make that leap, but 1GB standard on the 15" PB would be nice - I don't think anyone would even care if it was soldered in with 2 empty slots - 3GB Max RAM on PBs - oh please.

 

[boombashi]

Whoever it was that said the X1600 only has 256megs is correct..
It's 128 or 256..The rest is shared..
Seems like Acer is really trying the hype machine.

I saw that too, and thought wha? On a laptop! That would be a nice choice for Apple to use on the new PBs...that would be a huge leap in graphics performance.

 

[BlizzardBomb]

Whoever it was that said the X1600 only has 256megs is correct..
It's 128 or 256..The rest is shared..
Seems like Acer is really trying the hype machine.

So? Are you trying to tell me an X1600 isn't as good as a Mobility 9700? The X1600 would destroy a Mobility 9700, no matter how much VRAM it has.

2.0 Ghz is on the high end of Yonah's power scale, for now... Lower power versions will start at 1.66 Ghz, and will be aimed at the lighter (iBook) non-gaming/consumer notebooks.

I'm not too sure if Apple would go for that particular version, let alone a dual-core. But who knows what Jobs will do next.

 

[Peace]

So? Are you trying to tell me a Mobility X1600 isn't as good as a Mobility 9700? The Mobility X1600 would destroy a Mobility 9700, no matter how much VRAM it has.

??

I'm not trying to tell YOU anything..

Merely pointing out Acer is deceiving people is all..

Shared memory is the worst out there.Period.

 

[BlizzardBomb]

But with 2GBs of RAM, how bad could that be?

 

[red diamond]

Will new macs run pc apps

Hi, I am a game developer, however most games are developed on the pc. I was wondering if anyone knew if the new yonah processsor will allow you to run native pc apps like Maya. thanks.

 

[windowuser82]

Then you must have spotted, about 18 months/2 years ago, the Apple share price of around 18 dollars.... and made a killing! Anyone involved in tech or media with even one eye open would have noticed this, and made a lot more than just your next vehicle (unless it's an Enzo!...mmmmmm.)

Anyone with a brain noticed the price jump. Anyone with a brain also knows the "iPod Party" fueled the jump. Anyone with a brain and followed the discussion is aware my comment was directed at the market validity of OSX which did NOT and never will cause the jump seen by IPOD. Current prices are fueled by what? Anticipation, Apple-spewed Proclamation, and still IPOD.

...and you are the first "professional" trader making a "VERY" good living to feel the need to shout about it..in a mac forum...as a windows user.. that i've ever heard..

I'm not shouting about it. It was a supporting statement to further explain my original intent when I posted a message that was later commented on.

smile.

...Take 2..

Make a point to begin with

...just like the American car market was going to thrive for a VERY long time....until someone else (read: The Japanese) came and very nearly collapsed it!

Apple will never be or cause a collapse in the computing/tech sector. It will always remain the other choice.

i thought you we're "professional" !?!?

Very trained, very educated, and not so high and mighty as to keep a distance from a product or group of product owners in which I am invested and curious about.

I'll leave the last bit in here for all to enjoy again....

Mac users, I have noticed from this forum (and this is not a statement to generalize all users OF this forum) seem to suffer from what I'm now calling "Apple Abuse Syndrome" haha. Much like the psychological effects of an abused child you are latching onto something that is a tool, only a tool, and wildly slinging fists at anyone who maybe doesn't "get it" yet and is simply sharing his or her point of view and take on it. Some MacFans are scary to an extent. Very scary, indeed. It is only a computer that uses an operating system and has competition.

Sorry to flame, i know it's an opinion and i really am not a Windows basher (unless sat in front of it) but some people just attract it..

See what I mean?

 

[Peace]

But with 2GBs of RAM, how bad could that be?

Bad..

I've used this analogy before....

Put a 100 meter strip of mud in the middle of the autobahn and you have shared memory..

It slows down the whole system.

 

[boombashi]

Hi, I am a game developer, however most games are developed on the pc. I was wondering if anyone knew if the new yonah processsor will allow you to run native pc apps like Maya. thanks.

Yes - It is called Maya for OS X - I don't believe it was ever native to PC anyway, I believe it was originally for SiliconGraphics systems. - It may be possible to actually run Windows on these new Macs, but we'll have to wait and see.

 

[windowuser82]

Although Windowuser82 sounds rather like a troll, he makes an interesting point.

I am just going to smile

 

[boombashi]

I am just going to smile

You should consider changing your user name - you will get killed around here with a name like that - unless of course you are a glutton for punishment - but I'm glad you are smiling

 

[WindowsSUCKSX5]

With all this talk about the new processors, nobody is really saying how much they think new intel ibooks/mac minis/powerbooks will price at. If jobs can lower prices on ibooks he could bring them into more than just the "1000^" market. How much you guys reckon all these intels will cost after mac world (if ofcourse they are released)?

 

[BlizzardBomb]

With all this talk about the new processors, nobody is really saying how much they think new intel ibooks/mac minis/powerbooks will price at. If jobs can lower prices on ibooks he could bring them into more than just the "1000^" market. How much you guys reckon all these intels will cost after mac world (if ofcourse they are released)?

I think the price points will stay the same. I'm hoping that Apple release a budget laptop (£499/$699?) for people who just need to do simple things like word processing, but I doubt that will happen.

 

[legacyb4]

That's only really useful if camera makers would put USB 2.0 onboard their cameras en masse; shooting at full res with 4+ megapixel cameras gets pretty data heavy after a while...

It's much easier to just plug the camera in, as far as I'm concerned.