Dual Core Yonah PC Notebook Specs

[inkhead]

Your a perfect example of a "fanboy" without any specs. I love my powerbook, but in the PC world laptops get MUCH, MUCH better battery life than anything offered by any powerbook out there. The powerbooks current battery life is such a joke. A brand new powerbook won't finish a 2 1/2 hour dvd... My "backup" panasonic book will play the move nearly 3 times before crappying out.

Powerbook battery life is horrible.. the average pc laptop gets about 30% more usage than a powerbook. And you're just thinking of dells' and stuff. Not the ultra slim panasonic or toshiba notebooks that are optimized for excellent battery life. By far the battery life in Apple's portable computers are some of the worst in the industry, especially when you consider the sub-par performance of the processor and the lackluster GPU.

You have to remember your average PC laptop gets 3 hours tops. Macs are "getting" 6 hours now so we should easily get 9 hours with Intel... CANT WAIT

 

[inkhead]

Another post by a mac fanboy, making stuff up. Apple deliberately modified the specs required on PC for quicktime 7 h.264 playback to make them look like the PC couldn't hack it. Not only that they "hacked" their CSS stylesheet to hide the higher quality 1080p samples from windows quicktime users.

1) quicktime is a port of a mac application, and a poorly written one at that.

2) The truth apple was hiding, and you can test it yourself with any windows xp install is that most windows machines even that are only 1.2ghz, and have wmv10 installed play 1080p JUST FINE, and smooth, which a similar and even faster mac chokes on. Sorry but microsoft has invested alot more time in optimizing windows media player.

that whole crap you said about 500mhz mac being faster than a 1ghz windows system is just not true.

mac os x is as simple as a dot compared to a bunch of junk put into windows.

go look at the apple website and compare the system requirements for quiktime 7 video viewing on a mac to a pc. That might give you an idea how the mac os is so much less power/memory/etc hogging then windows.


500mhz for a mac 1.5ghz for a pc

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/player/specs.html

 

[windowuser82]

Don’t know where you have been over the last year but you obviously haven’t been paying attention to computer news. The iPod halo effect is VERY real. Is it a major force for Apple? No. But it has likely, per numerous analysts, contributed to a growing number of sales.

I'm a trader, professionally. My entire living (a VERY good one I might add) is fed by knowledge of markets, buying patterns, what's in demand and what is not, and what is mostly "hype" of some nature.
Yes, the halo effect -is- very real and no.... it is not a major force, but you have to understand; Two people (of course the number is larger, but to just make a point) buying, say, an iMac because of the iPod in no way means that much to the OVER ALL status or nature of the main driving force behind Apple sales. I do not care, from a professional stand point, if 10,000 Macs are sold because 10,000 out of 1,000,000 iPod buyers thought "Hey, sure! Apple!" when the major, 90% / higher market, belongs to Windows and will for a VERY long time.

The only, -only- way OSX will be a MAJOR, huge, gigantic player is if HP and Dell, the top two PC distributors respectively, sell ONLY that operating system. Never gonna happen, btw.

I'm not an Apple basher, I am...after all.....in a Mac user forum and I am contemplating my first Mac purchase depending on what this Intel madness brings. I am simply saying: Do not , do NOT assume Apple or OSX will be or are -better, stronger, faster, harder-; That Apple users are "smarter" (that I could bitch about for days, more emotionally unstable I would say), or that the rest and majority of us (Windows users) are somehow "dirty" or "flawed" (this isn't a flame, read the posts)

 

[Peace]

I'm a trader, professionally. My entire living (a VERY good one I might add) is fed by knowledge of markets, buying patterns, what's in demand and what is not, and what is mostly "hype" of some nature.
Yes, the halo effect -is- very real and no.... it is not a major force, but you have to understand; Two people (of course the number is larger, but to just make a point) buying, say, an iMac because of the iPod in no way means that much to the OVER ALL status or nature of the main driving force behind Apple sales. I do not care, from a professional stand point, if 10,000 Macs are sold because 10,000 out of 1,000,000 iPod buyers thought "Hey, sure! Apple!" when the major, 90% / higher market, belongs to Windows and will for a VERY long time.

The only, -only- way OSX will be a MAJOR, huge, gigantic player is if HP and Dell, the top two PC distributors respectively, sell ONLY that operating system. Never gonna happen, btw.

I'm not an Apple basher, I am...after all.....in a Mac user forum and I am contemplating my first Mac purchase depending on what this Intel madness brings. I am simply saying: Do not , do NOT assume Apple or OSX will be or are -better, stronger, faster, harder-; That Apple users are "smarter" (that I could bitch about for days, more emotionally unstable I would say), or that the rest and majority of us (Windows users) are somehow "dirty" or "flawed" (this isn't a flame, read the posts)

Just out of curiosity.Why are you considering switching to a Mac ?

And I'd be willing to bet there's a lot more out there thinking the same thing😉

 

[windowuser82]

Just out of curiosity.Why are you considering switching to a Mac ?

And I'd be willing to bet there's a lot more out there thinking the same thing😉

Heh, I just happened to refresh the wrong tab and see this question.

I am thinking about switching just for personal "Try something new" reasons. My main computer, which I use to do all of my major "work" (I almost feel guilty saying what I do is work) will remain a Windows machine. I'm mainly after a laptop.....Powerbook; casual use for bedtime reading, etc.

My Apple stock purchases also bet there's a lot more out there thinking of doing the same heh. Large enough to cause a major shift in the computing market, no... not based on my research and common sense, but enough (as with anything) to help pay for my next vehicle 🙂

 

[alaskaunbound]

2) The truth apple was hiding, and you can test it yourself with any windows xp install is that most windows machines even that are only 1.2ghz, and have wmv10 installed play 1080p JUST FINE, and smooth, which a similar and even faster mac chokes on. Sorry but microsoft has invested alot more time in optimizing windows media player.

I was using a friends centrino 1.8 ghz laptop with a WUXGA 1920x1200 screen and wanted to see a 1080p source on a 1080p display. Went to the MS website, tried the Friday Night Lights trailer, it choked. Tried the 720p version, it choked.

Im not a power PC fanboy or a mac fanboy, but VC1 (windows media video codec) seems to be very demanding and chokes very easily. I am typing this on an 800Mhz iMac G4 and i can watch 720p H.264.

 

[ieani]

the iBook has 6 hours

But the ibook is not running a 512 graphics card or 2 GB RAM, with the former needing especially a larger amount of power. 6 hours for a PC with this performance is revolutionary. The Dell XPS has under an hour. The Toshiba Quosimo has a little over an hour. And this would probably blow each out of the water in lab testing.

 

[ieani]

Another post by a mac fanboy, making stuff up. Apple deliberately modified the specs required on PC for quicktime 7 h.264 playback to make them look like the PC couldn't hack it. Not only that they "hacked" their CSS stylesheet to hide the higher quality 1080p samples from windows quicktime users.

1) quicktime is a port of a mac application, and a poorly written one at that.

2) The truth apple was hiding, and you can test it yourself with any windows xp install is that most windows machines even that are only 1.2ghz, and have wmv10 installed play 1080p JUST FINE, and smooth, which a similar and even faster mac chokes on. Sorry but microsoft has invested alot more time in optimizing windows media player.

that whole crap you said about 500mhz mac being faster than a 1ghz windows system is just not true.

But why is Windows Media Player so poorly layed out? Also please show us the specs for your notebook with the powerbook performance but its alleged 6+ hour battery life.

 

[simie]

Here is some details of Yonah Processor speeds. How true these are we don't know.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26879

 

[BlizzardBomb]

As long as a Superdrive is standard across both the desktop and laptop line, I'm happy. I don't know many new computers which still have a CD-RW/DVD.

 

[Fukui]

This seems to be a desktop replacement/multimedia showcase type laptop given the 2gb of ram and 512mb on the graphics card. The price and weight should be largely disregarded...

What I'm more interested in is how loud the fan is.

That to me is the most important, I can't stand fans anymore. (iMac 1st-gen induced trauma)

 

[ssj300]

What's wrong with you?

yea dude, seriously wats wrong with you (to the person tat said "i trust apple with my life")

 

[BlueRevolution]

I go away, play WoW for a while and suddenly it's a great big fistfight over platform superiority. grow up, people! those fighting for Windows obviously didn't read the sign at the door, and those on the Mac side can't leave well enough alone. if someone wants to use a particular operating system isn't that their choice? now can we end this silly argument and get on with making outlandish predictions about the Macs to come and mocking the unexpectedly sexy Acer laptop?

edit: I mean, really. why do you sign up for a Mac forum and then announce that Mac 5UXX0RZ and Windows can bellydance upside down, underwater, in a bright pink latex tuxedo?

 

[windowuser82]

edit: I mean, really. why do you sign up for a Mac forum and then announce that Mac 5UXX0RZ and Windows can bellydance upside down, underwater, in a bright pink latex tuxedo?

What does 5UXX0RZ mean any way? Sucksorz? Sucks?

 

[BlueRevolution]

sucks. it's just so much more 1337 to say it that way 😉

 

[windowuser82]

sucks. it's just so much more 1337 to say it that way 😉

I'm either uber white-bread or jus' dumb. heh, 1337?

"The Windows user surveys the freshly polished Apple orchard. In the tree's native inhabitants, aware of his ignorance to their playfully tongued language..."

 

[Brent Turbo]

This thread is seriously screwed up... people who have no idea a blabbering there heads off at every thing...

Yup, just read and laugh. That's all you can do.

My favorite post was the one where a guy said that turning up the brightness on your laptop screen makes your graphics chip hotter. Always trust message boards to feed you your facts. Facts a'plenty running around in here, no hype.

 

[jeriqo]

ATI Radeon X1600 256MB (256 dedicated while 256MB can be borrowed from main memory)

Your a perfect example of a "fanboy" without any specs. I love my powerbook, but in the PC world laptops get MUCH, MUCH better battery life than anything offered by any powerbook out there. The powerbooks current battery life is such a joke. A brand new powerbook won't finish a 2 1/2 hour dvd... My "backup" panasonic book will play the move nearly 3 times before crappying out.

Powerbook battery life is horrible.. the average pc laptop gets about 30% more usage than a powerbook. And you're just thinking of dells' and stuff. Not the ultra slim panasonic or toshiba notebooks that are optimized for excellent battery life. By far the battery life in Apple's portable computers are some of the worst in the industry, especially when you consider the sub-par performance of the processor and the lackluster GPU.

You are just SO ****ING WRONG.
Most of the PCs laptops can't play half of a movie.
Damn which planet do you live on ?

 

[GregA]

Apple users need to move AWAY from this "everything together....must.....everything in the same place..... IT ALL HAS TO LOOK THE SAME!" <snip>
Microsoft will always be the business darling because it BREEDS business. Apple does not; Atleast not to the same extent....

Agreed, nice post. I've always liked a company that can work with any other company. Windows on Apple hardware, OSX on Dell, etc etc.

If Apple has the best OS, best hardware, best applications... then naturally if you buy all 3 it's even better.

 

[gnasher729]

That doesnt make much sense. If that is true ibook prices would have to raise wouldnt they. Apple wouldnt do that. If they were gonna use the ibooks to compete with the consumer pc market. raising the price sure as hell wouldnt help.

I cannot quite understand your logic. A dual core Yonah cannot cost more than a single G4 because Apple would then have to raise prices?

I think people need to realise that the G4 is a very fine processor, considering the price of I believe $72 a piece. Intel doesn't make any chips that are better for $72. Apple's problem is that Freescale doesn't produce any processors that are worth $200. A $72 chip in an iBook or a MacMini is good value for money; a $72 chip in a $2000 PowerBook is pathetic. We will get $200 and possibly $600 chips in PowerBooks, and a PowerBook with a $600 chip inside will obviously be more expensive, but it will also compare very will with the PowerMacs (and leave the G5 iMacs well behind).

But then, don't expect any PC notebook for $799 with a dual core Yonah running at any speed.

Forgive me if Im wrong but I belive apple can do that for to reasons

1. PPC is better at floating point equations
2. Apple wants to optimize its code better for the Mac

Oh PS even back in the day a 500Mhz G4 could operate photoshop faster than a 1 Ghz Pentium 3

On the other hand, an H.264 decoder doesn't do a single floating-point operation, so floating-point performance is quite irrelevant here. It wins mostly because Altivec is much more powerful than Intel's SSE2 instructions. It wins more because SSE2 integer operations on Pentium 4 are quite slow; Pentium M is much faster there (I can't find any numbers for Yonah).

2) The truth apple was hiding, and you can test it yourself with any windows xp install is that most windows machines even that are only 1.2ghz, and have wmv10 installed play 1080p JUST FINE, and smooth, which a similar and even faster mac chokes on. Sorry but microsoft has invested alot more time in optimizing windows media player.

Tell you what, fanboy, if you find _any_ software that can play 1080p H.264 video on any Pentium 4 hardware, you better give Michael Dell a phone call, and he will come and kiss your feet and make a millionaire instantly.

 

[JRM PowerPod]

Tell you what, fanboy, if you find _any_ software that can play 1080p H.264 video on any Pentium 4 hardware, you better give Michael Dell a phone call, and he will come and kiss your feet and make a millionaire instantly.

hehehehe....lol

Give him a good design..... and my friend, you will also be a billionaire

 

[Marx55]

Now the fun has just started:

- Mactel microprocessor specs and pricing will be known in advance.

- Mactels will be compared to the full detail with PC-Windows boxes out there in price, specs and performance.

Apple:

- We need double DVD-RW/DVD-R drives as even cheap PC-Windows boxes have been sporting for years!!!

- We need more RAM and more VRAM, also as cheap PC-Windows there have!

- We need powerful modular Macs. Bring back the cube!

- Frontal connectors.

- Card readers.

- More Firewire and more USB connectors.

- Much better quality/price ratio!!!

And all the good stuff of PC-Windows boxes...

Do not take me wrong. I love the Mac, but Macs are twice as expensive as PC-Windows boxes for the same iron inside!!!

 

[bigandy]

Maybe on the "lowest processor performance setting." 😉 🙂

yeah, of the "200mhz" variety...

😛

 

[bigandy]

Now the fun has just started:

- Mactels will be compared to the full detail with PC-Windows boxes out there in price, specs and performance.

i don't think they will - there's still the OS difference.... the MAIN difference... 🙄

Apple:

- We need double DVD-RW/DVD-R drives as even cheap PC-Windows boxes have been sporting for years!!!

most important Apple machines have them now...

- We need more RAM and more VRAM, also as cheap PC-Windows there have!

16gb on a PowerMac? 2.5Gb on an iMac? 2Gb on a PowerBook? not enough? I run motion, fcp, shake, and don't have any trouble on my PowerBook (see sig for specs).... VRAM - maybe a bit, but i think it's ok as is...

- Frontal connectors.

USB, headphones and Firewire not enough on the PMG5? what else you want? on any other machine they're not exactly essential, all the other ones move quite easily...

- Card readers.

For the love of god, don't go there. they're the ugliest pieces of kit on the planet, and if you really need one go to eBay and get a USB2 one for £10, or a PCMCIA one for your laptop for £5, like i did. then you can hide the ugly bastards.

- More Firewire and more USB connectors.

more usb = yes. more firewire = 2 is enough, one for drives, the other for devices. chaining, remember!

- Much better quality/price ratio!!!

go to dell and price up an equivalent box to a decent specced PMG5. you'll find it's not usually much more expensive, if at all. And dell are awful!

And all the good stuff of PC-Windows boxes...

Do not take me wrong. I love the Mac, but Macs are twice as expensive as PC-Windows boxes for the same iron inside!!!

see above. go price up a dell equivalent to a PMG5, print both up, look at them side by side, then EAT THEM. 😉 😛 🙄

 

[Squire]

- Card readers.

For the love of god, don't go there. they're the ugliest pieces of kit on the planet, and if you really need one go to eBay and get a USB2 one for £10, or a PCMCIA one for your laptop for £5, like i did. then you can hide the ugly bastards.

Hear, hear! Card readers have to be the most over-hyped, useless ports ever introduced. I know they appeal to some people but, personally, I just don't see the point. It's much easier to just plug the camera in, as far as I'm concerned.

<edit>

Apple:

- We need double DVD-RW/DVD-R drives as even cheap PC-Windows boxes have been sporting for years!!!

Is that a fact? I just checked the Dell Canada site and, like Apple, the cheapest version of every notebook model comes with, you guessed it, a combo drive. (I know you wrote "boxes" but this thread is primarily portable-related.)

<edit#2> Just checked the desktops and only the most expensive version of their entry level box comes with a DVD burner. Same with the series above that. The next one up sports a combo drive in the cheapest version. Same with their top-of-the-line box-- basically, combo drive on the cheaper models (or two optical drives: a CD burner and DVD-ROM) and DVD-burner on the top end.

So I have to ask: What are you talking about?

Squire