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Dual Core Yonah PC Notebook Specs
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This thread is seriously screwed up... people who have no idea a blabbering there heads off at every thing...
cycocelica
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strange days
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windowuser82 said:
...and this my friends, is the true HALO effect of the iPod popularity coupled with the Intel switch. I totally agree they better come out with something on par with the ACER, but i believe they won't. Design is paramount, and i can't see how they would squeeze / cool the same innards this ACER propose into a Pbook...
...on the other hand, Apple is going to compete on lower spec'd models from the start; which is the largest buyer market share for laptops anyway, and geared towards young people who need the looks first. Personally, this ACER has exactly everything i need from a laptop ( make it 17" though ) but the case. I'll probably wait to see reviews, competitions, Pbooks rumors and such before i rush out and buy one.
amateurmacfreak
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Haha, nothing's wrong with him. I agree a bit. Apple always seems to pull through... oops. I just jinxed something probably. But doesn't Apple generally deliver well? Or at least dazzle? 😀 Ok, ok, I wouldn't near bet my life, but I'm saying, I get the point...Alex Cutter said:
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WindowsSUCKSX5 said:
me, and lots of other people as well; not only Mac fanatics out there you know ?
OSX feels like a gadget UI to me; sure it's advanced, and winbooze copy everything they can from Apple, and it's easy to use ( this is why i think Apple market share will grow on top of the iPod HALO effect to the general population, and the Intel switch will seduce the more savvy ); but i could buy the same computer without OSX for half the price not so long ago ( ok let's not start a war here, you get my point, right ? ), and the other side of the winpuss uglyness is its push to curiosity when you're stuck ( thousands more programs out there, thousands more user forums as well ), which results in knowledge. On the Mac side i couldn't experience that and felt frustratred not to belong to the "real" computer world ( ok one day i will brave the LINUX waters; just not yet... ); felt like using a powerful toy.
Hey before you flame me, note that i'm an Apple fan, stockholder and user since the days of the LC630 ( that's before the original power macintosh 6100 came out ).
nagromme
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aegisdesign said:
Actually, Yonah DOES make great gains in performance per watt. (And even bigger gains are coming after Yonah, of course.)
aegisdesign said:
I'm no Intel fanboy--the G5 has great potential and I wish it had a future, but it doesn't.
Intel "vaporware" is actually a little better than what IBM has offered Apple lately: at least Intel INTENDS to make future personal computer chips. IBM doesn't even intend to in the long term. They don't WANT to be in that market. The money for them is in other kinds of processor products. (Same for Freescale.)
IBM and Freescale have essentially chosen to get out of the personal computer processor business. (Or, they are forced to, because they're unable to deliver--and because it's not profitable for them.) Apple had a backup plan waiting--thankfully--and they're using it.
That's cool, but the problem is Apple definitely won't be shipping 2GB of RAM and a 512MB GPU in their computers. 🙁 Awesome to hear about the 6-hour battery life, but I'm wondering if they traded off with a larger, bulkier battery (this 15" laptop weight about as much as our 17", but that's pretty usual... most PC laptops weigh at least an extra pound or two compared to ours in the same size)
SiliconAddict
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windowuser82 said:
Its not simple. For the most part its controls are more logically laid out. For the most part. I still have a hard time understanding how clicking on the bar above the cover art in iTunes to select selected song / now playing is intuitive. I didn't find this feature for a year. Or how about ejecting a DVD? Dragging it into the trash is NOT intuitive. Such things are about familiarity not ease of use. Where Apple's ease of use comes into play is the core functions of a app or the OS. The are easy to find and are, by and large, laid out without having to dig. Again look at iTunes. Core functions are available without needing to dig. WMP? WINAMP? The same features are there but the screen is busy and, IMHO, cluttered. The same applies to OS X.
Yes someone moving from Windows to OS X is going to be confused, confounded, and cranky. Simply because there is a certain amount of "getting to know" the OS that is involved. Getting to know the annoying aspects of it. (All OS's have this.) Getting to know how to get around it in a timely manner. (Trust me when I say I can BLOW Mac user's minds when it comes to my ability to move through the Windows Explorer. Lightening fast is pretty much an insult. Not to brag though. 😉
Hardly. Their very actions make them dumb. And when I say dumb I mean it in a relative term between OS X and Windows. The simple fact is you have to be smarter to run Windows in a way that is safe and secure and I’m sorry to say most people aren’t. Just because you can get behind the wheel of an F-1 race car and drive it doesn’t mean you know how to handle it. I just deleted a paragraph and a half in examples. Why? Because if you can’t go over your memory of the past exploits that have occurred in the last 5 years on Windows because of stupid users then you obviously don’t know what you are talking about and if you can you know what I’m talking about.
The simple fact is Windows sits between Linux and OS X when it comes to the amount of babying you need to apply to it. To set it up, to secure it (OK maybe not in-between with Linux for security.), and to get it to a point that it needs little to no maintenance.
😵 Ummm by your logic then there is no reason for the Geek Squad to even exist or the entire IT industry for that matter. Again Windows users do not want to know how to run their computer. They want to treat it like a VCR, not a car. Turn it on, and away you go. They just want to use their computer to get a job done. You can not do this on Windows without some serious tweaking under the hood and even then when something breaks most average users its well beyond their capabilities to fix it. (Example that just recently happened. Spyware on my neighbors computer. They ran the adware scanner that I installed. (they refused to use FireFox.) this in turn broke IE when they rebooted. All text entry fields were yellow and you couldn’t enter text. Also because Windows uses IE when you go into add/remove programs there was no text present. The rendering engine in IE got FUBARed. He tried a system restore and that didn’t work because it just restored the Adware. So he calls me - The real support and intelligence behind MS’s monopoly. I spent an hour trying to fix the system to no avail. Talked to MS for another 20 minutes. We tried several things that I had already tried. (Wonderful thing google is.) In the end I redid his computer which was MS’s recommendation after telling me to restore prior to the Adware. Which is all well and fine but FUBARs a number of settings/apps because it went so far back.
Don’t know where you have been over the last year but you obviously haven’t been paying attention to computer news. The iPod halo effect is VERY real. Is it a major force for Apple? No. But it has likely, per numerous analysts, contributed to a growing number of sales.
Yes community base is a big deal. I won’t deny that and that is an issue when it comes to home grown support. But having a geek neighbor is NOT that big of a deal when MANY users have Apple stores within easy to moderate driving distance of them with in store support. Seriously the 20 or so people I’ve sent to the Apple store to look at their wares. Of those twenty or so switchers I’m had 2 people come back to me with problems in the last 4 years. The locked down nature of OSX makes it inherently more stable, barring the occasional crappy buggy patch released by Apple.
As for the keyboard and monitor. Now you are just pulling things out of thin air. This issue has been debated ad nauseum. You make some valid points but by and large a lot of what you are saying just doesn’t make sense or simply wasn't thought out.
uugh!
That thing is hideous! plus it runs only windoz. Why are people drooling over this? Unless Apple radically increase screen resolution and brightness,
I'm sticking with my 1.5ghz 15" PB for a while...
That thing is hideous! plus it runs only windoz. Why are people drooling over this? Unless Apple radically increase screen resolution and brightness,
I'm sticking with my 1.5ghz 15" PB for a while...
SiliconAddict
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Alex Cutter said:
Yah no kidding. I may like OS X but I sure as HELL wouldn't want it in hardware in hospitals. (Vital monitors, etc.) thanks but I'd stick with proprietary OS's designed from the ground up to do one and only one job. Its the single best way to insure stability and reliability. OS X and Windows are general purpose OS's that while good I wouldn't trust to run my car's entertainment system let alone something dealing with my life.
Hopefully he was kidding. 😱 Hopefully
SiliconAddict
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cxny said:
People are drooling over the hardware which is very much drool worthy. Think of what Apple would be capable of if you just hand them these core components: Core Duo 2.0GHz, 2GB RAM, SATA HD, ATI Radeon X1600 512MB, Carbon Fiber shell, 6 hours of battery life.
amateurmacfreak
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Maybe you've missed the point: we're talking about the processor and the first computer that has it. Maybe it's ugly, maybe it runs an inferior OS (yeah, yeah, I said Windows is inferior), but it has nice hardware. Very nice hardware, and that's what we're drooling over. We're also drooling over the possibilities for Apple and we're discussing those, largely in a way that is not drooling. Although this computer no doubtedly desreved the first page, the main point of this article is not this computer neccessarily, really. We aren't saying "Holy crap! Look at this! Let's go buy it!" It's the processor and the possibilities with Mac for this processor that's the big deal here.cxny said:
amateurmacfreak
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Haha, I think you guys took the original post a bit too seriously. Although it was a little dramatic, is was meant to be an exaggeration, a saying, I presume. No big deal.SiliconAddict said:
Mac = better for music, graphics, video, creative stuff in general, imo better for home use, better for security, and better for stability generally, better for education imo
PC= will most likely always be ahead in business (face it), generally better and more compatible for many business functions
I doubt dual core ibooks in the first round
how would you differentiate ibook to a powerbook? if apple can go to the extreme of
1) reducing the bus from 167 -> 133. THey are capable of any thing!
2) can you believe ibook HDs are 4200, you have to really really search hard to find a drive!
3) Leave the line in on the motherboard
4) Screenspanning
4) Slower optical drives
5) why does mac mini have 9200 when all the line up has either 9600 (or a modified read strapped verion -9550?)
6) Powermac G5s came in single proc in the first iteration and less than 6months all the line was dual at the SAME price!
How much do they save in each of the degredations? zero absolute zero!. Additional Profit ... NONE (only in the case of powermac G5 )
All this just to differentiate ... they gave bluetooth etc ... just because there was nothing left to upgrade ... even then they HAD to make some difference.
Ibooks will use either the old Sonoma or the new Single core yonah! period. Like other notebook manufacturers apple does not believe in giving cpu choice for the user there is a single *book with the single processor speed and a speed bump will come along some time later. They might also use the low power version with dual core "some time in the future".
So all you people having wet dreams of dual core ibooks may be you want to wake up! ... heck even a single core yonah will out perform the current G4 by a factor of 2!
how would you differentiate ibook to a powerbook? if apple can go to the extreme of
1) reducing the bus from 167 -> 133. THey are capable of any thing!
2) can you believe ibook HDs are 4200, you have to really really search hard to find a drive!
3) Leave the line in on the motherboard
4) Screenspanning
4) Slower optical drives
5) why does mac mini have 9200 when all the line up has either 9600 (or a modified read strapped verion -9550?)
6) Powermac G5s came in single proc in the first iteration and less than 6months all the line was dual at the SAME price!
How much do they save in each of the degredations? zero absolute zero!. Additional Profit ... NONE (only in the case of powermac G5 )
All this just to differentiate ... they gave bluetooth etc ... just because there was nothing left to upgrade ... even then they HAD to make some difference.
Ibooks will use either the old Sonoma or the new Single core yonah! period. Like other notebook manufacturers apple does not believe in giving cpu choice for the user there is a single *book with the single processor speed and a speed bump will come along some time later. They might also use the low power version with dual core "some time in the future".
So all you people having wet dreams of dual core ibooks may be you want to wake up! ... heck even a single core yonah will out perform the current G4 by a factor of 2!
I just want my Intel PB
Just to have a dual boot box would be sooo nice right now. I use OS X in a business that is run on Windowz machines. We are a Java development house and our primary application will run on OS X but is really optimized for Windowz. If I could either dual boot and run it natively or just run in full speed virtualization.. I am a happy man. I think the specs here are awesome and suspect it would run either OS with a great deal of speed. Here is hoping for a good Macworld Expo and possibly at least annoucement of Intel PB's with similar specs.
Just to have a dual boot box would be sooo nice right now. I use OS X in a business that is run on Windowz machines. We are a Java development house and our primary application will run on OS X but is really optimized for Windowz. If I could either dual boot and run it natively or just run in full speed virtualization.. I am a happy man. I think the specs here are awesome and suspect it would run either OS with a great deal of speed. Here is hoping for a good Macworld Expo and possibly at least annoucement of Intel PB's with similar specs.
SiliconAddict said:
While most of this is great, the shell being carbon fiber is a huge minus. Because of the nature of carbon fiber, it actually blocks wireless signals MUCH more than even Apple's aluminum casing.
halo effect?
if the kind of mindless mouth shooting off going on in this topic is an example of the halo effect, i would prefer to keep Apple's share around 4% and get intelligent comments back on the boards, thank-you-very-much.
elitist? damn straight skippy. get these window using morons outta my OS club! 😉
if the kind of mindless mouth shooting off going on in this topic is an example of the halo effect, i would prefer to keep Apple's share around 4% and get intelligent comments back on the boards, thank-you-very-much.
elitist? damn straight skippy. get these window using morons outta my OS club! 😉
Wasn't there a rumour a while back that Apple may possibly be releasing a whole line of laptops - iBooks and PowerBooks in Jan. I think I'd like to see the lower power/low voltage processors in the iBook with something crazy like 24hr battery life (I remember reading an article about an intel research group whose target is laptop batteries that last as long as mobile phones). Then pop the top of the range Dual Core into the powerbook, but at over $600 per chip in bulk I think this may be cost prohibitive for apple and would result in a laptop that is underpowered in other areas.
Also... Does anyone know how hot these things run. I realise that they are low-power chips, but I just wonder how much heat the 2.1Ghz one produces and whether Apple will be able to incorporate it into a powerbook and keep within their noise limit guidelines.
What's the date for MWSF?
Also... Does anyone know how hot these things run. I realise that they are low-power chips, but I just wonder how much heat the 2.1Ghz one produces and whether Apple will be able to incorporate it into a powerbook and keep within their noise limit guidelines.
What's the date for MWSF?
amateurmacfreak
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MWSF is the 9th-13th. Keynote is on the 10th.Montserrat said:
So, the keynote's in 6 days, 12hrs., 13min. 😀 😉 🙄 😎
