Dual Core Yonah PC Notebook Specs

[WindowsSUCKSX5]

"Also remeber one thing. Apple can afforrd to go with slower processors because the MAC OS is much more simple than windows. Ever wonder why when your ibook had a 500 mhz processor it still outperformed a windows pc with a 1.5 ghz processor. The MAC OS is easier on a processor than windows."


You are KIDDING me?! You don't believe that for real, do you?

1-500MHzx Macs NEVER outperformed 1.5GHz PC's! Get out of your Steve Jobs-induced illusions, please.

2- Mac OS X is a MONSTER CPU, GPU and memory hog, which explains why many apps run in a VERY sluggish manner on anything but the top PowerMacs. Windows sucks, but like its a much lighter system to run.

mac os x is as simple as a dot compared to a bunch of junk put into windows.

go look at the apple website and compare the system requirements for quiktime 7 video viewing on a mac to a pc. That might give you an idea how the mac os is so much less power/memory/etc hogging then windows.


500mhz for a mac 1.5ghz for a pc

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/player/specs.html

 

[AUBPsych]

I personally am dying to know what they will look like. APPLE is amazing!!!!!!!!!!

110% AGREED.

 

[SiliconAddict]

Apple's star is already starting to fade, sadly. Over priced stock, iPod in-your-face, used BMW status (over priced for outdated tech)....

I expect a great deal from the Intel switch; Specs closely related to the Acer notebook profiled. If Apple releases anything sub-par this month (which they will release something) they will effectively blow the biggest shot they have or had.

OSX may be wonderful, I don't know... I don't use it (yet) but I do know demand isn't as high as current users swould like to think. Markets are very fickle, computer users aren't as "dumb" or "average" as some would like to think. We on the pc side are waiting. If something wonderful doesn't arrive most will wait for Vista's release.

I think you are being overly optimistic about Vista. I fully expect that Vista is going to be big time bug ridden the first 6 months with SP1 being released within 2 months of its release. This is NOT a small OS jump for Microsoft. Hell they don't even have Beta 2 out yet. (It was supose to be out beginning of Dec) The biggest push for people to go to OS X is going to be simply from the incessant nature of patching, adware, and spyware. Most people who's computers I support or supported are NOT technically savvy. The average user is not capable of upgrading 2K or XP to Vista and as such will probably buy a new computer at which point all bets are off when it comes to Windows vs. OS X. I'm sorry but I disagree about your classification of users not being dumb. The users themselves may not be dumb but two things make them dumb when it comes to computers:
1. They want to treat their computer like a VCR. Turn it on and go. On a Windows system you just can't do that.

2. They don't want to know how a computer works just like some people don't want to know how a car, even at its basic level, functions.

These two things make for a stupid computer user and as such makes for a disaster waiting to happen on a Windows system. I asy this as a system admin of 150 systems in one office and another 60 in another along with supporting neighbors and relatives computers.


OS X isn’t going anywhere because Apple knows how to make things simple. I’ve run Beta 1’s of Vista. MS is going down the wrong road when it comes to their interpretation of simplicity. Can things change by the time the first, and probably only, Release Candidate ships of XP? Maybe. But I’m not betting on it. I think 2006 is going to be Apple’s year to shine. VMWare is probably going to be ported to OSX86 and Windows will run right alongside OSX at almost native speed. For many, myself included loosing all those x86 apps has been the single biggest “issue” to switching or in my case merging. (My home network is Windows 2003 and XP. That’s not going away anytime soon.) I don’t think you are giving Apple enough credit. This migration coupled with the halo effect is going to see Mac sale spike and stay up there since now people don’t have to choose between Windows or Mac. You can have both.

 

[WindowsSUCKSX5]

I think you are being overly optimistic about Vista. I fully expect that Vista is going to be big time bug ridden the first 6 months with SP1 being released within 2 months of its release. This is NOT a small OS jump for Microsoft. Hell they don't even have Beta 2 out yet. (It was supose to be out beginning of Dec) The biggest push for people to go to OS X is going to be simply from the incessant nature of patching, adware, and spyware. Most people who's computers I support or supported are NOT technically savvy. The average user is not capable of upgrading 2K or XP to Vista and as such will probably buy a new computer at which point all bets are off when it comes to Windows vs. OS X. I'm sorry but I disagree about your classification of users not being dumb. The users themselves may not be dumb but two things make them dumb when it comes to computers:
1. They want to treat their computer like a VCR. Turn it on and go. On a Windows system you just can't do that.

2. They don't want to know how a computer works just like some people don't want to know how a car, even at its basic level, functions.

These two things make for a stupid computer user and as such makes for a disaster waiting to happen on a Windows system. I asy this as a system admin of 150 systems in one office and another 60 in another along with supporting neighbors and relatives computers.


OS X isn’t going anywhere because Apple knows how to make things simple. I’ve run Beta 1’s of Vista. MS is going down the wrong road when it comes to their interpretation of simplicity. Can things change by the time the first, and probably only, Release Candidate ships of XP? Maybe. But I’m not betting on it. I think 2006 is going to be Apple’s year to shine. VMWare is probably going to be ported to OSX86 and Windows will run right alongside OSX at almost native speed. For many, myself included loosing all those x86 apps has been the single biggest “issue” to switching or in my case merging. (My home network is Windows 2003 and XP. That’s not going away anytime soon.) I don’t think you are giving Apple enough credit. This migration coupled with the halo effect is going to see Mac sale spike and stay up there since now people don’t have to choose between Windows or Mac. You can have both.

I couldnt have said it better myself. In your personal opinion SiliconAddict what will happen at mac world?

 

[aegisdesign]

If and when Windows Vista arrives, 512MB of VRAM won't seem excessive. I believe the high end graphical effects in Vista require quite a large slab of video RAM. I think this is just a little future-proofing.

A point which just shows why Windows is so badly done. Most of the translucency and scaling effects that are in the Vista beta look little different to the effects I've had since OSX 10.1 on my iBook with 8MB of VRAM and a Rage128M.

 

[windowuser82]

I think you are being overly optimistic about Vista. I fully expect that Vista is going to be big time bug ridden the first 6 months with SP1 being released within 2 months of its release. This is NOT a small OS jump for Microsoft. Hell they don't even have Beta 2 out yet. (It was supose to be out beginning of Dec) The biggest push for people to go to OS X is going to be simply from the incessant nature of patching, adware, and spyware. Most people who's computers I support or supported are NOT technically savvy. The average user is not capable of upgrading 2K or XP to Vista and as such will probably buy a new computer at which point all bets are off when it comes to Windows vs. OS X. I'm sorry but I disagree about your classification of users not being dumb. The users themselves may not be dumb but two things make them dumb when it comes to computers:
1. They want to treat their computer like a VCR. Turn it on and go. On a Windows system you just can't do that.

2. They don't want to know how a computer works just like some people don't want to know how a car, even at its basic level, functions.

These two things make for a stupid computer user and as such makes for a disaster waiting to happen on a Windows system. I asy this as a system admin of 150 systems in one office and another 60 in another along with supporting neighbors and relatives computers.


OS X isn’t going anywhere because Apple knows how to make things simple. I’ve run Beta 1’s of Vista. MS is going down the wrong road when it comes to their interpretation of simplicity. Can things change by the time the first, and probably only, Release Candidate ships of XP? Maybe. But I’m not betting on it. I think 2006 is going to be Apple’s year to shine. VMWare is probably going to be ported to OSX86 and Windows will run right alongside OSX at almost native speed. For many, myself included loosing all those x86 apps has been the single biggest “issue” to switching or in my case merging. (My home network is Windows 2003 and XP. That’s not going away anytime soon.) I don’t think you are giving Apple enough credit. This migration coupled with the halo effect is going to see Mac sale spike and stay up there since now people don’t have to choose between Windows or Mac. You can have both.

I put no faith in Microsoft or Vista. I am a user, not a fan.

OSX is often said to be "simple"' and "easy to use"... "Anyone can do it!"

Why, then, are PC users the dumb ones? You are contradicting yourself. If Windows has the largest market, a lot of people are using it (duh). If Windows is "difficult".....that means t he users have to be a bit smarter to fix the issue that arises.

It doesn't matter if OSX can bake, clean your house, and breast feed your child. In the end buyers....average Joe's and Jane's...... are going with what's cheap and what the kid across the street uses. Apple, right now, has no real community base outside of forums,etc. By community base I mean the neighbor more than likely owns a Dell.

iPods are not enough to cause a major shift, nor are Mac Mini's; not when they don't come with a monitor or keyboard or mouse. Supplying your own is not an option, not when HP gives you all those things for less.

 

[WindowsSUCKSX5]

A point which just shows why Windows is so badly done. Most of the translucency and scaling effects that are in the Vista beta look little different to the effects I've had since OSX 10.1 on my iBook with 8MB of VRAM and a Rage128M.

That is the point i have been trying to prove. Mac OS X requires so little to do a great job. Imagine what they will be able to do with strong intel chips in the laptops.

 

[WindowsSUCKSX5]

I put no faith in Microsoft or Vista. I am a user, not a fan.

OSX is often said to be "simple"' and "easy to use"... "Anyone can do it!"

Why, then, are PC users the dumb ones? You are contradicting yourself. If Windows has the largest market, a lot of people are using it (duh). If Windows is "difficult".....that means t he users have to be a bit smarter to fix the issue that arises.

It doesn't matter if OSX can bake, clean your house, and breast feed your child. In the end buyers....average Joe's and Jane's...... are going with what's cheap and what the kid across the street uses. Apple, right now, has no real community base outside of forums,etc. By community base I mean the neighbor more than likely owns a Dell.

iPods are not enough to cause a major shift, nor are Mac Mini's; not when they don't come with a monitor or keyboard or mouse. Supplying your own is not an option, not when HP gives you all those things for less.

I promise you in 20 years there wont be a windows anymore. At least not one that has sa bigger market share. This year will be the beginning of the MAC empie to rise. (ok that did sound a bid insane) What i mean is if everything goes as planned macs will get sheaper and start running x86 programs. what other reason does an average joe have for using windows?
lets be honest. it is horrible!!!!!!

 

[amateurmacfreak]

Why am I hearing "If it ain't white, it ain't right" in my head?

If everything worked together and other programs, accessories, etc were pointless the tech industry would crash into a million pieces and so would the US economy. Apple users need to move AWAY from this "everything together....must.....everything in the same place..... IT ALL HAS TO LOOK THE SAME!" and twitching. "We want iPods so small they fit UP the rectum and we can hear music inside our head."

Microsoft will always be the business darling because it BREEDS business. Apple does not; Atleast not to the same extent.... and ax the less-than marketshare crap.

whoa. are you seriously a Windows user? Am I possibly hearing arrogance from a Windows user?

 

[amateurmacfreak]

mac os x is as simple as a dot compared to a bunch of junk put into windows.

go look at the apple website and compare the system requirements for quiktime 7 video viewing on a mac to a pc. That might give you an idea how the mac os is so much less power/memory/etc hogging then windows.


500mhz for a mac 1.5ghz for a pc

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/player/specs.html

Totally agree. Mac OS X has always seemed lightweight and simple to me compared to Windows.

 

[aegisdesign]

yep... Macintosh widgets should just always be the best. We're the first. It would be so unfair. I hate Konfabulator too the ("widget" program for Windows and a Mac version too, as you probably know...) it's so annoying and obtrusive and... Dashboard is so beautiful and stream-lined.

There's nothing actually technically tricky about widgets as most are just Javascript, HTML and CSS. There's a couple of things a browser needs to support but todays browsers are nearly there.

KHTML has just got Canvas support and KDE will have native Apple wiget support. Firefox supports Canvas too so it wouldn't be too much more work for a Gecko based Dashboard equivalent.

If IE supported Canvas and the extra bits needed then I imagine Yahoo and Konfabulator would be 'screwed' but that all depends on if Microsoft would embrace the Apple widget design instead of inventing another one.

 

[amateurmacfreak]

110% AGREED.

SAME HERE!! YAY!
Only 6days, 15hours, 23min to go... but oh, crap, I'll be busy. But all you other cool people can be happy watching it (MWSF keynote)!! I'll watch it promptly after, ASAP

 

[aegisdesign]

That is the point i have been trying to prove. Mac OS X requires so little to do a great job. Imagine what they will be able to do with strong intel chips in the laptops.

It's more that Windows seems to require a lot more to do the same. MacOSX isn't a paragon of efficient resource use, it's just that Windows is worse.

 

[WindowsSUCKSX5]

There's nothing actually technically tricky about widgets as most are just Javascript, HTML and CSS. There's a couple of things a browser needs to support but todays browsers are nearly there.

KHTML has just got Canvas support and KDE will have native Apple wiget support. Firefox supports Canvas too so it wouldn't be too much more work for a Gecko based Dashboard equivalent.

If IE supported Canvas and the extra bits needed then I imagine Yahoo and Konfabulator would be 'screwed' but that all depends on if Microsoft would embrace the Apple widget design instead of inventing another one.

i'll be honest with you. I know macs and windows pretty well, but i didnt understand canvas. what exactly are you talking about and rrelating it too?

 

[amateurmacfreak]

I put no faith in Microsoft or Vista. I am a user, not a fan.

OSX is often said to be "simple"' and "easy to use"... "Anyone can do it!"

Why, then, are PC users the dumb ones? You are contradicting yourself. If Windows has the largest market, a lot of people are using it (duh). If Windows is "difficult".....that means t he users have to be a bit smarter to fix the issue that arises.

It doesn't matter if OSX can bake, clean your house, and breast feed your child. In the end buyers....average Joe's and Jane's...... are going with what's cheap and what the kid across the street uses. Apple, right now, has no real community base outside of forums,etc. By community base I mean the neighbor more than likely owns a Dell.

iPods are not enough to cause a major shift, nor are Mac Mini's; not when they don't come with a monitor or keyboard or mouse. Supplying your own is not an option, not when HP gives you all those things for less.

My neighbor over there has an iMac, my neighbor over there has an iMac, and... oh crap. my other neighbor has a PeeCee.

 

[WindowsSUCKSX5]

My neighbor over there has an iMac, my neighbor over there has an iMac, and... oh crap. my other neighbor has a PeeCee.

My brother has a powerbook, i have an i book, my classmates (many) have macs. Plus my high school was MAC only. Those were the days! If people are using macs at college level doesnt that make a statement. MACS ARE BETTER THAN WINDOWS!!!

 

[aegisdesign]

I can't recall the exact details of that chart. The rumors are that Intel has made some real breakthroughs at the 45nm process level. Yonah is made with a 65nm process. The message is that the really exciting stuff is yet to be announced.

Yep. Yonah is effectively a process reduction of the older Dothan Pentium M core. It's the last gasp of that line.

Merom is based on the new next generation core which debuts in Merom, Conroe (desktop) and Woodcrest (server). That's when things get interesting. If Apple does ship an Intel based computer next week it's Rev A with a potentially buggy Rev A OS and little commercial software native.

Merom, OSX 10.5 and native Intel versions of the important applications is when the party starts.

 

[aegisdesign]

i'll be honest with you. I know macs and windows pretty well, but i didnt understand canvas. what exactly are you talking about and rrelating it too?

The ability for widgets to appear with translucent backgrounds over the top of your desktop instead of in a browser window relies on the 'canvas' attribute in HTML which is an Apple extension.

Read more about it at - http://developer.apple.com/documentation/AppleApplications/Reference/SafariHTMLRef/index.html

Or at...

http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Drawing_Graphics_with_Canvas

 

[SiliconAddict]

I couldnt have said it better myself. In your personal opinion SiliconAddict what will happen at mac world?

No idea. I just know it will survive like it always has. As long as Apple doesn't drop into the digits it fell into a few years ago they will be fine. Niche player isn't a bad thing as long as you can get developers to make wares for your OS. Which Apple is doing. They have been increasing their market share over the last few years. As long as that increase doesn’t level off this year before Vista (Which I think realistically won’t ship until LATE fall.) I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Apple back into the 7%-10% market share range.
The thing is I know enough people who live and die by the motto once you go Mac you don't go back and these aren't zealots. They generally enjoy the OS. As long as Apple doesn't do anything incredibly stupid (Which contrary to some the x86 transition isn't.) these people aren’t going to be switching back anytime soon.
My biggest concern is if Apple is going to start advertising their OS and their hardware. Up til now Apple hasn’t had to because, frankly, when it comes to hardware they could never meet demand. This could conceivable change with the transition to x86. IF that happens it could give Apple cause to start putting out advertisements again for their hardware. Frankly I can’t tell you the number of people I’ve amazed by telling them to at least look at Macs and OSX as an alternative to Windows. They simply don’t know there is anything else other then Windows out there other then that “Linux thing”. The word of mouth, grassroots thing will only take Apple so far. (At least in a short timeframe.) At some point a marketing campaign is a must if they truly want to increase their market share in any meaningful (Read: quick) way, which I think they do.
What is going to be really interesting is Apple's response to Vista in the next 2 years. Microsoft, by its very nature, is not a nimble company. This makes the IT industry happy when they can depend on Y OS to be around for 5+ years. But as much as stability from an OS perspective is a good thing it’s also causes stagnation. IMHO, again I’m just guessing here, don't expect to see any massive update to Vista for another good 5+ years. (Note though that Vista is MUCH more modular then any of Microsoft's previous OS's so updates to Windows core components such as the Windows Graphics Foundation will prob get tweaked over the next 5 year to introduce the Windows equivalent of Quartz Express, (from what I understand what Vista is introducing is the equivalent of Quartz. Could be wrong on that.) along with the introduction of the fabled WinFS sometime in 2007.
All of this is up in the air at this point. The biggest deal is that Apple from day one has been able to see what Microsoft has been up to. Again this is a double edged sword for MS. Developers and IT implementers need to see their wares WELL in advance. Doubtless there are a few MSDN subscribers at Apple. They knew/know MS’s battle plans well in advanced vs. Apple who pretty much keeps things under wraps until a year before release. Who knows what Apple has planned for Leopard. (10.5) But I’m pretty sure its going to be big. It has to be to counter Vista. For as buggy as Vista will be for the first 6 months MS is going to be blitzing the crap out of us probably starting with Bill G’s CES keynote this week. From here on out I expect MS to spend hundreds of millions on ad campaigns that rivel the presidential elections. Get read guys. You thought you got sick of the campaign ads fast. You ain’t seen nothing yet. So my expectation and hope is that 10.5 is going to be a bombshell in terms of introducing new “stuff” What new stuff? No idea. Again this is purely speculation. My track record at guessing what Apple is up too isn’t all that good. Of course predicting what the wild and crazy Steve Jobs could decide to do is virtually impossible. The man is not your typical businessman and as such the “rules” of the business world don’t really apply. Which is a good thing and a bad thing but that’s a different discussion.

 

[aegisdesign]

How can the Yonah be power hungry, when Steve got up on stage and shower Intel processor vs power performance against PPC...? Maybe they were lying......

The Intel power gains don't really happen with the Yonah. The Steve was comparing what's to come from Intel after Yonah with what we have now in the G5.

Some would say that comparison of Intel vapourware to last years IBM chips is a little unfair to make but they'd probably be shot down by the Intel fanboys.

 

[nagromme]

Well, actually is thicker, it's ibook like thick (1.35 inch) vs 1.1/1.0 inch of the PowerBook 15"/17"...

Ah--too bad. Not that I was going to buy a PC anyway

I know the top-end GPUs require a "superthick" form factor (and 1.25" or greater is in that realm). So I'm willing to accept it if the the very top GPU can't be in a PowerBook. Just keep them thin! With the best GPU that allows that.

Of course, as Mac sales increase, the market for more specialized notebooks will grow--so a "superthick" PowerBook option one day would not shock me.

 

[amateurmacfreak]

My brother has a powerbook, i have an i book, my classmates (many) have macs. Plus my high school was MAC only. Those were the days! If people are using macs at college level doesnt that make a statement. MACS ARE BETTER THAN WINDOWS!!!

Hmm. Macs and conservatives and uniforms are the choice at one of our best private schools are one choice, the other great one is PeeCees mostly and liberals and no dress code (well, basically, no drug references... XD). Which one is better?? XDD
Oh, of course I mean generally when making political statements.

 

[runninmac]

mac os x is as simple as a dot compared to a bunch of junk put into windows.

go look at the apple website and compare the system requirements for quiktime 7 video viewing on a mac to a pc. That might give you an idea how the mac os is so much less power/memory/etc hogging then windows.


500mhz for a mac 1.5ghz for a pc

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/player/specs.html

Forgive me if Im wrong but I belive apple can do that for to reasons

1. PPC is better at floating point equations
2. Apple wants to optimize its code better for the Mac

Oh PS even back in the day a 500Mhz G4 could operate photoshop faster than a 1 Ghz Pentium 3

 

[csubear]

As a reference point for price:

A 1.42 Ghz sells for 498.20 in quantities of 1.

http://www.arrownac.com:80/aws/pg_webc?application=SEARCH&s=P&featuredSupplier=null


I would imagine that apple gets it for a bit cheaper maybe $400?? or so

here a list of the g4 (7447As) that you can get from freescale

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps...MPC7447A&nodeId=0162468rH3bTdG8653#orderables

1.267Ghz chips are a little cheaper, 273.83 in quantity of 1.

They don't list 1.5 or 1.6 Ghz chips, i could only imagine how much those cost.

 

[Littleodie914]

That's definitely impressive... A lot of posters have been talking about how it's only 6 hours of battery life, which isn't a huge improvement from what the Apple laptops have now. One thing you gotta realize though, this is an amazingly powerful machine... 2GB of RAM and a 512MB Graphics Card? That thing's a beast! Plus, it's not like Windows laptops before this point ever got 6 hours... I remember shopping around for a laptop a while back and saw them happy when they could claim their laptop got 2-3 hours. Twice the time sure isn't bad for me... Maybe we'll get 7-9 when Apple gets ahold of them?