Dual Rear Camera Likely to Remain Exclusive to High-End iPhones in 2017

[VSG]

Not to be picky here, but the regular iPhone 7 is also a high-end phone.

I think it's a pity that the regular 7 doesn't feature a zoom. That's the one thing I'm missing from my 6s. But the form factor of the Plus is simply too big.

 

[Lancer]

Nah, next year will be the 7S. It'll look practically identical.

If you're hoping for a radical redesign, point your eyes to 2018.

Clearly you didn't read the article, next year is the 10th anv of the iPhone so all bets are off as to it's name but it's likely to be an all next design so very likely a new name.

 

[Mindbomb2000]

If I did 20-hour road trips often in a car with no Bluetooth and no USB power/audio input, I'd invest in an Apple Lightning dock. Not just because it would allow me to charge and play music at the same time, but also because I'd get really tired of disconnecting both the power cable and the audio cable every time I stopped to take a break, or a leak, or a meal, or a picture. Even with my iPhone 6 Plus, I'd get the lightning dock, just for the convenience.

Or, the people complaining about charging during a long car drive could get something like this:

https://griffintechnology.com/us/pr...th-autopilot-controls-and-lightning-connector

Or a plug in bluetooth adaptor ($20 will get you a pretty decent one).

They're a much more elegant, convenient solution than having two wires strung across your dash.

 

[MrX8503]

I've got a nexus. Don't care for waterproofing, but I do care for a headphone jack.

Quite odd that you're complaining about a phone you'll never buy.

 

[bladerunner2000]

Quite odd that you're complaining about a phone you'll never buy.

Not odd at all; iPhone 7 was an option... until they turned it into kludge without the headphone jack.

Doesn't matter, the criticisms of the iPhone 7 are warranted.

 

[Macshroomer]

You can see it in larger dSLRs when you get blurry images at F/8 and smaller.

I have nearly 40 lenses for 35mm, medium format and 4x5, not a single one of them is showing the effects of or hitting the limit of diffraction at F8, not my Leica 35mm 1.4 aspheric FLE, Zeiss 50mm F2 Milvus, Hasselblad 100mm 3.5 CFi, Nikon 20mm 1.8G, Rodenstock 135mm 5.6 Apo Sironar S, etc.

I get where people are coming from here on all this but as it stands, the incredibly unique if not secret sauce like edge effect of natural sharpness that the iPhone has presented ever since the iPhone 4 is legendary for a reason. What Apple has done here with the 7 plus will probably be astounding, even if it is a little frustrating to those who rightfully insist on passing on the bigger phone.

If you were to look through my past posts, you would see to that I have never been interested in the larger phone, can't possibly see it being anything but in the way while working or playing. But for a host of reasons, I have changed my mind and besides this new camera system being one of them, I can no longer deny that not only are my eyes at 49 years old getting weary after 30 years of professional photography, the eyes of some of my editors, art directors and other clients are too.

Showing work to clients on the bigger phone is a no brainer for marketing, making killer new images that WILL make me money on the same phone is simply brilliant.

I have ordered the top of the line version of this phone ( 256GB ) and will not regret it, I just have great instincts that way. I do hope they offer the same great camera hardware options in the smaller form factor though, I 100% agree that it is BS to always be stuck with getting the bigger phone in order to max those specs out.

Hopefully that will change next year.

 

[CPx]

Pretty sure it's triple cam next year.

I would actually love that. 24mm, 35mm, and then something between 70 and 85.

 

[Jimrod]

Sorry. It'll be the 7S next year. If you're hoping for a radical redesign, look to 2018. 10th iPhone anniversary will have no impact on moving the pipeline forward 1 year.

People have seen these sort of rumours come and go. They were expecting it with the 4S as well.

Actually, based on how Apple seems to be running lately I'd imagine the 7 design to continue next year but for a 10th anniversary model to be launched alongside it with all the styling and features we've heard rumours about... for twice the price.

 

[Macshroomer]

Not odd at all; iPhone 7 was an option... until they turned it into kludge without the headphone jack.

Doesn't matter, the criticisms of the iPhone 7 are warranted.

But you can see how you are wearing people down with what looks to me like 100% pure grade A negativity, right?

Look at the computer in my sig dude, you built a hackintosh for graphic design work and I am blasting through 50 megapixel Hasselblad CFV50c files and 2-3GB stitched files from it with total aplomb in my "old" machine.

I have thought about building a hack as my next mass production facility but man....if it makes me as bitter as you, I might as well jump of a cliff, LOL!!

 

[Dreamer2go]

Sorry. It'll be the 7S next year. If you're hoping for a radical redesign, look to 2018. 10th iPhone anniversary will have no impact on moving the pipeline forward 1 year.

People have seen these sort of rumours come and go. They were expecting it with the 4S as well.

Most likely not.

If you didn't remember, iPhone 4 was announced in June 2010, and it took Apple in Oct 2011 to announce the 4s. Why? Because the white version and "CDMA" version was announced in mid 2011.

It is going to be a completely new design.
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/06/14/apple-patent-iphone-wraparound-glass-display/

And as stated by the very reliable KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo: https://www.macrumors.com/2016/03/26/kuo-iphone-2017-oled-curved-glass/

I'm quite baffled on how you leave ZERO room for any sort of thinking that there will be any redesign. Seems like you know EVERYTHING about Apple and iPhones *roll eyes*

 

[Col4bin]

Maybe, but you didn't mention the fact that the iPhone 7 is a relatively minor enclosure change. That lends credence to the rumor there will be a major one next year.

What?

 

[bladerunner2000]

But you can see how you are wearing people down with what looks to me like 100% pure grade A negativity, right?

Look at the computer in my sig dude, you built a hackintosh for graphic design work and I am blasting through 50 megapixel Hasselblad CFV50c files and 2-3GB stitched files from it with total aplomb in my "old" machine.

I have thought about building a hack as my next mass production facility but man....if it makes me as bitter as you, I might as well jump of a cliff, LOL!!

No, like i said, its warranted criticism towards a boneheaded move by Apple. They've been disrespecting their consumers for years now, it got to the point where I got tired of their bullsh*t and built my hackintosh. Damn near every product of theirs has at least one crippling flaw;

Apple TV; has a USB port but you cant connect an external drive with media to it for native playback. WTF?
MacBook Pro: soldered ram and glued battery? Seriously, no upgrade path at all?
iMac: mobile GPU in a desktop?! Plus, it's borderline false advertising of the speeds considering the case is so tight theres poor airflow requiring the CPU to downthrottle otherwise it'd fry.

The list goes on though... But these aren't 'screw ups' on Apple's part... these are deliberate efforts to LIMIT their consumers. As a prosumer/power user, I'm done. OS X is their last great product.... unless they f*ck that up too.

 

[Col4bin]

Incorrect, next year is the 10th Anniversary and it will be the 8. They will drop the 7s. Every leak has pointed to this as well as their suppliers not being ready for the redesign parts this year, which is why they threw together this phone and the jet black gimmick.

But, will you be upset if the rumored iPhone 8 doesn't happen next year, and it is just a similar-looking 7S instead? I feel like many people's heads around here will explode with incredulousness.

 

[Macshroomer]

No, like i said, its warranted criticism towards a boneheaded move by Apple. They've been disrespecting their consumers for years now, it got to the point where I got tired of their bullsh*t and built my hackintosh. Damn near every product of theirs has at least one crippling flaw;

Apple TV; has a USB port but you cant connect an external drive with media to it for native playback. WTF?
MacBook Pro: soldered ram and glued battery? Seriously, no upgrade path at all?
iMac: mobile GPU in a desktop?! Plus, it's borderline false advertising of the speeds considering the case is so tight theres poor airflow requiring the CPU to downthrottle otherwise it'd fry.

The list goes on though... But these aren't 'screw ups' on Apple's part... these are deliberate efforts to LIMIT their consumers. As a prosumer/power user, I'm done. OS X is their last great product.... unless they f*ck that up too.

This all makes sense and as a pro user since 1992, I agree in a lot of respects. But for the most part, the people who read these boards can not really do much about that.

So I know I am not alone in wondering, why wear good people down?

 

[Col4bin]

I'd prefer that it were made of zirconium dioxide ceramic, like the new  Watch Edition.
Clear zirconia looks exactly like glass, so maybe that's how the "glass body" rumors started.
It's almost totally scratch-proof, and Apple has taken several steps toward a zirconia iPhone.

Apple applied for its first zirconia patent back in 2006 for general consumer electronics:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/06...tent_on_radio_transparent_zirconia_ce_casings

And they applied for another patent specific to  Watch Edition and iPhone enclosures a year ago:
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...c-apple-watch-and-all-new-ceramic-iphone.html

But is zirconia shatter-resistant enough?
Is it recyclable enough?
Can it be mass-produced quickly and cheaply enough?
I guess we'll find out next year.

Could have sworn I read a rumor sometime last winter that stated that the next iPhone would use a ceramic glass back.

 

[Macshroomer]

I had a conversation with Shell Oil CEO Marvin Odum a couple years ago about solar innovations and broached the subject about photovoltaic coatings that could be applied to things like the bodies of cars or....smart phones.

It is in the works and colors are being considered as well.

My hope is that the next big move in Apple's mobile computing device market will be gorgeous but highly functional if not revolutionary photovoltaic coatings that put at least a reasonable dent in the charging requirements of these devices.

Even a 10-20% reduction in required amp hours on the grid for recharge would cumulatively be a staggering figure globally.

It's not a matter of if but when.

 

[bladerunner2000]

This all makes sense and as a pro user since 1992, I agree in a lot of respects. But for the most part, the people who read these boards can not really do much about that.

So I know I am not alone in wondering, why wear good people down?

I don't think I am. I think my presence is necessary to point Apple's faults rather than have everyone nod up and down like lemmings, too many of the faults fly right under the radar.

 

[Mildredop]

They are not going to release a "upgrade" phone on the 10th anniversary. It will be the iPhone 8. The dropping of the 7s will also generate buzz. You may reference this post exactly a year from now as you gobble crow.

I reckon they will. I'm not sure why everyone is latching on to the tenth anniversary like it's a huge deal.

Apple will just release another mediocre iPhone and it'll be called the 7s. (That's "Seven S" not "sevens" as it appears. Confusing, I know.)

 

[chr1s60]

It is still to early to know exactly what might happen with next year's phone but I will say it is definitely time for a big design change. The iPhone has remained pretty much the same since the iPhone 5. The only design change of note was the screen size, which was big but not anything new. The last design change that was a big deal was the iPhone 4 and that was 6 years ago now. It's always a gamble when there is a big design change, but I think at this point in time it is needed.

 

[MacOG728893]

Not to be picky here, but the regular iPhone 7 is also a high-end phone.

I think it's a pity that the regular 7 doesn't feature a zoom. That's the one thing I'm missing from my 6s. But the form factor of the Plus is simply too big.

I agree. That's what I bought a 6. That camera though. I ordered a 7+ if I can't get use to it I will swap it out.

 

[Mactendo]

While Apple is playing games with artifical crippling and delaying the features others will move on with dual cameras, edge to edge screens and much more. Go on Tim, shoot Apple in the foot.

 

[dragje]

Expect the "Apple playing catch up" and "fire Tim Cook" comments to continue. No matter what Apple can't win when it comes to some. The iPhone could get two weeks battery life and we'd hear, "typical, they'll copy but then they won't share".

You're right.

 

[b0nd18t]

I'd rather they removed the dual cameras and lowered the price.

 

[x34]

I'd rather they removed the dual cameras and lowered the price.

makes total sense.... not.

 

[dragje]

Within the context of "who copies who" there is a "danger" in making rumors about a screen without edges, meaning a screen that would cover up the entire front of the iPhone 8, a phone that takes a whole year to see the surface to begin with. With that in mind I wouldn't be suprized when other companies, like Samsung or Sony, LG, etc will come up with the very same idea first.