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Apple will either be paying Amazon a commission to sell on Amazon or Amazon will be buying at wholesale prices and selling for profit from that.

This is all perfectly normal business behaviour.
Nono, amazon will ether be entitled to a commission on 100% of profits made on every apple device sold through their store or not. Just as apple claim to be entitled to profits made independently of them.

Both need to be allowed to double dipping or non at all.
 
Nono, amazon will ether be entitled to a commission on 100% of profits made on every apple device sold through their store or not. Just as apple claim to be entitled to profits made independently of them.

Both need to be allowed to double dipping or non at all.
Apple are not entitled to profits made independently of them. They are only entitled to charge for licensing IP and any other services they sell.
 
Nono, amazon will ether be entitled to a commission on 100% of profits made on every apple device sold through their store or not. Just as apple claim to be entitled to profits made independently of them.
Apple doesn't charge anyone based on profits.
 
Apple are not entitled to profits made independently of them. They are only entitled to charge for licensing IP and any other services they sell.
Great, then apple have no claim for a commission for sales made outside with third party options or links as nobody is licensing their Ip.

Apps on iOS and android just use different adressen to request functions by the OS
 
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Great, then apple have no claim for a commission for sales made outside with third party options or links as nobody is licensing their Ip.

Apps on iOS and android just use different adressen to request functions by the OS
Who created iOS? Apple. iOS is part of Apple's IP. You can't claim 3rd parties releasing software on iOS aren't using Apple's IP. Apple had a system in place that they considered to be appropriate for monetizing their IP. They can find a different system to monetize the IP too. They're not restricted to continuing to follow the previous approach.
 
There is zero proof of this.
There is more likely explanation that iPhones are vastly more expensive than android phones. This means the vast majority of iOS users are rich people or individuals with capital to spend while android users are more likely to be a poor person for the simple fact they are cheaper to buy
Yes, I agree. Apple has the customers that are comfortable spending money on apps via the App Store, with one reason possibly being due to iPhones being vastly more expensive. Nevertheless, as developers need customers that are comfortable spending money, and Apple HAS those customers, Apple’s in the controlling position.
 
Who created iOS? Apple. iOS is part of Apple's IP. You can't claim 3rd parties releasing software on iOS aren't using Apple's IP.
And, the Apple hardware is chock-filled with Apple’s IP. There’s no Apple developer, even the ones that are jailbreaking, that aren’t using Apple’s IP.
 
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Psystar lawsuit. In the ruling, the judge said that Apple's hardware couldn't be considered a monopoly unto itself. Psystar was trying to argue that Apple was violating antitrust law by not allowing their desktop OS to be installed on 3rd party Mac clones that were being sold to the public.

Also, Epic would obviously have a hard time proving "monopoly" since their Fortnite app was originally developed for consoles and PC, not smartphones. How can you sell the same app across a wide variety of hardware and then claim Apple's phone hardware is a monopoly?
Ummmmm, you’re trying to reference a case that was decades ago? You’re joking, right? ????
 
Not sure what your point is here.
That they are equal, but it’s only absurd for one to claim a right for a commission for all future sales profits irrespective if they contributed or not
Who created iOS? Apple. iOS is part of Apple's IP. You can't claim 3rd parties releasing software on iOS aren't using Apple's IP.
iOS is apples IP, but the app itself isn’t using anything apple invented to function. The OS holds all the code the app request.
Just as a movie stored on my iPhone doesn’t use any IP by apple to be shown, but without the OS having the code to show the movie it won’t be shown on the screen.

Random Bollywood movies use the same IP as every app ever released on iOS. This is how programming works.
Hence both charge for use.
One charge for point of sale, the other charge for 100% of all sales you will ever make
 
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It's not very likely the Senate version has veto proof support. The House has its own version of how the regulation should work.

Per legal problems, the main sponsors of the bill have always been framing this as being related to anticompetitive practices by Apple, yet the courts haven't found any federal antitrust laws being violated by the App Store in widely reported lawsuits. It's not like people in Congress aren't aware of that. A lot of the posturing was done before Epic's lawsuit against the App Store didn't generate any federal violation rulings and BlueMail's lawsuit against the App Store was dismissed. Forcing side loading is a very heavy handed form of regulation and it doesn't match anything coming from the court system. Do they have the appetite to do something like that now? I doubt it. There's no cover.
The bill passed out of committee 16-6 just days ago, after those new developments were long known. The fact that courts so far have found that Apple's actions haven't violated existing U.S. anti-trust laws is precisely one reason legislators may feel the need to press forward. Also, what's the chance a Democratic president vetoes a bipartisan bill that gets through both the Democratically-controlled House and Senate? Slim to none. If the bill fails it will be before it gets to the president's desk. It will fail in either the Senate or House first.
 
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Yes, I agree. Apple has the customers that are comfortable spending money on apps via the App Store, with one reason possibly being due to iPhones being vastly more expensive. Nevertheless, as developers need customers that are comfortable spending money, and Apple HAS those customers, Apple’s in the controlling position.
Well it’s more the fact that you need to have more money to buy a 1.000$ phone. A 100$ android user likely doesn’t on the mere fact they purchased a device likely to have horrible software support

It’s very likely if we compare android and iPhone users in the exact same price bracket they spend exactly the same money.
 
Information provided by Airlines for America (A4A), formerly known as Air Transport Association of America (ATA), an American trade association and lobbying group based in Washington, D.C. that represents the few remaining North American airlines! I wouldn’t expect them to release anything that said otherwise! :D
Airfares, when adjusted for inflation, have fallen 25 percent since 1991, and, according to Clifford Winston and Steven Morrison of the Brookings Institution, are 22 percent lower than they would have been had regulation continued (Morrison and Winston 2000). Since passenger deregulation in 1978, airline prices have fallen 44.9 percent in real terms according to the Air Transport Association. Robert Crandall and Jerry Ellig (1997) estimated that when figures are adjusted for changes in quality and amenities, passengers save $19.4 billion dollars per year from airline deregulation. These savings have been passed on to 80 percent of passengers accounting for 85 percent of passenger miles. The real benefits of airline deregulation are being felt today as never before, with LCCs increasingly gaining market share.

Source: https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/AirlineDeregulation.html

The US Department of Transportation's Bureau of Transportation Statistics compiled the average domestic airfare of US airports from 1995 to 2015, taking inflation into consideration, and shockingly proved that with a few ups and downs, over the last 20 years the average cost of a flight has generally decreased.

The reasoning behind this is that competition has been driving fares down and airlines are struggling to make a profit — despite packing people into economy like livestock. This has been a trend since the US airline industry was deregulated in 1978.


Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/cost-of-flying-has-decreased-2015-10
 
The evidence only says, during one, 12+ month period, Apple didn’t have an App Store. Apple, today, wouldn’t be where they are without 14 years of App Store profits and growth. Unfortunately, it appears that any future company that would actually be able to challenge Apple’s non-Android dominance will have to do so without profit sharing. It’s the unfortunate outcome of those that admire Apple so much they’d like to protect them from challenges.
A 12-month period of public launch preceded by years of development work on the device. You're saying Apple and Jobs were so stupid at the time that they didn't realize they'd need third-party developers and a 30% cut from them to make this new business venture profitable and worthwhile? I myself very much doubt that. You don't have to potentially be able to become the most valuable company in the world to make an idea worth pursuing. Billions of dollars is still billions of dollars. Apple's services revenue is only around 20% of their revenue. They would still be an exceedingly valuable company even if they never took in a single dime from App Store commissions. I have no doubt potential paradigm shifters realize that as well.
 
Airfares, when adjusted for inflation, have fallen 25 percent since 1991, and, according to Clifford Winston and Steven Morrison of the Brookings Institution, are 22 percent lower than they would have been had regulation continued (Morrison and Winston 2000). Since passenger deregulation in 1978, airline prices have fallen 44.9 percent in real terms according to the Air Transport Association. Robert Crandall and Jerry Ellig (1997) estimated that when figures are adjusted for changes in quality and amenities, passengers save $19.4 billion dollars per year from airline deregulation. These savings have been passed on to 80 percent of passengers accounting for 85 percent of passenger miles. The real benefits of airline deregulation are being felt today as never before, with LCCs increasingly gaining market share.

Source: https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/AirlineDeregulation.html

The US Department of Transportation's Bureau of Transportation Statistics compiled the average domestic airfare of US airports from 1995 to 2015, taking inflation into consideration, and shockingly proved that with a few ups and downs, over the last 20 years the average cost of a flight has generally decreased.

The reasoning behind this is that competition has been driving fares down and airlines are struggling to make a profit — despite packing people into economy like livestock. This has been a trend since the US airline industry was deregulated in 1978.


Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/cost-of-flying-has-decreased-2015-10
Why do you bother wasting time? They aren’t going to accept facts, we know this.
 
Who created iOS? Apple. iOS is part of Apple's IP. You can't claim 3rd parties releasing software on iOS aren't using Apple's IP. Apple had a system in place that they considered to be appropriate for monetizing their IP. They can find a different system to monetize the IP too. They're not restricted to continuing to follow the previous approach.

And, the Apple hardware is chock-filled with Apple’s IP. There’s no Apple developer, even the ones that are jailbreaking, that aren’t using Apple’s IP.
An extremely good example is Wine repository
It could be illegally infringing on Microsoft IP if it actually included windows API to be able to emulate windows system calls. But Hess are provided separately with oracle .vs google providing case law for it

Google LLC v. Oracle America, Inc. Wikipedia​

The dispute centered on the use of parts of the Java programming language's application programming interfaces (APIs) and about 11,000 lines of source code, which are owned by Oracle (through subsidiary, Oracle America, Inc., originating from Sun Microsystems), within early versions of the Android operating system by Google. Google has since transitioned Android to a copyright-unburdened engine without the source code, and has admitted to using the APIs but claimed this was within fair use.
 
The bill passed out of committee 16-6 just days ago, after those new developments were long known. The fact that courts so far have found that Apple's actions haven't violated existing U.S. anti-trust laws is precisely one reason legislators may feel the need to press forward. Also, what's the chance a Democratic president vetoes a bipartisan bill that gets through both the House and Senate? Slim to none. If the bill fails it will be before it gets to the president's desk. It will fail in either the Senate or House first.
Well it was widely expected Epic would crush Apple. It not over until it's over.
 
Great, then apple have no claim for a commission for sales made outside with third party options or links as nobody is licensing their Ip.

Apps on iOS and android just use different adressen to request functions by the OS
All Apple App Store apps use Apple’s IP. It doesn’t matter whether the payment for an app is made via Apple, PayPal or anyone else, those apps still use Apples IP and Apple will continue to license that IP based on a % of sales.

If developers don’t agree with that they can chose to stop developing for iOS.
 
There is zero proof of this.
There is more likely explanation that iPhones are vastly more expensive than android phones. This means the vast majority of iOS users are rich people or individuals with capital to spend while android users are more likely to be a poor person for the simple fact they are cheaper to buy

Not sure which part you're saying has zero proof, but just to provide some data for folks to use in their discussion:


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Amazon is an online retailer.

There is no functional difference between Amazon store and apple App Store.

Both only exist electronically that you need to access through a phone or computer to purchase things.

FYI - Amazon now has physical stores. (not even counting the entire Whole Foods enterprise they own)

 
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A 12-month period of public launch preceded by years of development work on the device. You're saying Apple and Jobs were so stupid at the time that they didn't realize they'd need third-party developers and a 30% cut from them to make this new business venture profitable and worthwhile? I myself very much doubt that. You don't have to potentially be able to become the most valuable company in the world to make an idea worth pursuing. Billions of dollars is still billions of dollars. Apple's services revenue is only around 20% of their revenue. They would still be an exceedingly valuable company even if they never took in a single dime from App Store commissions. I have no doubt potential paradigm shifters realize that as well.
Unfortunately…. Yes they Steve Jobs wasn’t that bright, and was extremely against developers releasing native apps instead of using safari. He had his moments of extremely bad ideas such as the App Store and SDK to be a thing

Steve Jobs against the store

The AppStore wasn’t profitable for a long time. So at the time it was logical to be against the store because it would cost them more than any profits they could earn for many years without subsidized by iPhone and iPod sales. 3rd party developers was expected to use safari instead. But today we all know it was the best investment apple ever did in its platform.
 
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