A glossy screen, besides reflecting everything is akin to trying to mix your music on monitors that have, say, a bass boost, or otherwise are "equalised". Glossy screens, in other words, aren't good as they oversaturate the colours – the only thing they're good for is watching movies, and that only if you have set it up so there's nothing to reflect. To put it in another way: It's a consumer thing that looks good in the shop, but is a bitch to work with for hours on end.
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Early 2008 MacBook Pro Whispers
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A glossy screen, besides reflecting everything is akin to trying to mix your music on monitors that have, say, a bass boost, or otherwise are "equalised". Glossy screens, in other words, aren't good as they oversaturate the colours – the only thing they're good for is watching movies, and that only if you have set it up so there's nothing to reflect. To put it in another way: It's a consumer thing that looks good in the shop, but is a bitch to work with for hours on end.
There's nothing technically wrong at all, it just depends on your needs. A glossy screen tends to blow out the colors viewed on screen, making them appear more vivid/saturated than what is actually being displayed.
If your purpose for the MBP is to perform typical consumer laptop behaviors, i.e. surfing, watching video files/dvds, etc. then the glossy screen is quite nice. If, however, your usage demands accurate color reproduction and translation from what you see onscreen to what the machine outputs, i.e. graphic design, video production, pro photography, etc. then matte is the way to go.
The elimination of a matte screen option on the new iMacs was a big let down to many, who use these semi-pro machines for studio soft-proofing and display for clients. Steve claims Apple customers "just love the glossy displays." This may be true for the average buyer, but this decision definitely affects pros, and if the matte option disappears from the MBPro, I believe there will be an outcry and a high demand for the current version with the option.
Let's hope Apple respects the needs of many of its loyal professionals and continues to provide the matte option.
If new MBPs with matte arrive within 14 days, I'll take the restock fee hit. Please let that be the case...
Not really... its people posting like you and me who are keeping this thread near the top making it seem as if there are still 'early 2008 macbook pro whispers' (which there are).
If you look there's also threads saying the MBPs will be released sometime mid-March.
i'm a graphic designer student too, i bought glossy first but they it had too much reflection. Then I exchange for matted. Then it was so much better, and all my profs use Matted, and they said matted is the way to go.
Glossy is for watching movies and stuff, cause seriously this is our career, we are doing this for a living, so we should be able to see and not see reflections. If we just were buying a Mac for media purposes and cause were a normal person, then glossy is good. But not for working.
Really it's just a matter of personal preference. I've read another thread on macrumors that was making a very good argument for glossy screens. They were saying that if you look at the screen dead on and not at an angle, you will hardly notice any reflections if at all. And if you're worried about the colours being too saturated, you could always get a professional calibration kit to make sure that what you see on screen is what you get on paper. Personally, I'm going with glossy when the MBPs get updated, seeing as the colours look richer and the blacks look darker. Just take into consideration how you'll be using it before making your decision (ie, high glare environment, mostly at home where you can adjust the lighting to best suit the monitor, etc.) and go from there. And if it's possible, head down to a Mac store/dealer and see if they can show you a direct comparison. After all, you're the one that's gonna be using the machine so it won't matter what anybody else thinks about the glossy/matte thing.
Edit: but you already seem set on it, so disregard everything I've just written =P Enjoy your new machine... once it's released...
Well, yes, unless you need it for work.
Haha, I can just imagine people working like that for hours on end: All stiff and not moving at all. That "solution" is a pseudo-workaround for glossy screens. You don't need that on a matte one.
Do a search on google on colour calibrating glossy screens. You will find that there are numerous problems with that "solution".
Yup, and you're welcome to do so. Just like you're welcome to use laptop speakers or iPod headphones to monitor your audio mixes. However, the result will be less than stellar, to put it mildly.
Yes, imagine that: Someone working with graphics might actually want a monitor (in the true sense of the word), and the truth is, getting a glossy, all so you have to consider a whole slew of introduced problems and annoyances to work around, because the glossy "look better" (in an environment where there is nothing to reflect and where the color saturation isn't important (!!), such as watching movies) surely sounds like a great idea.
You may be too young, but remember those cardboard thingies pros used to have around their monitors in the old days? Those annoying things were put there so they could get their work done properly, in that they reduced glare. Why make it harder on yourself and introduce yourself to something that will make your work harder, less productive and introduce a whole slew of limitations and guesswork on a daily basis?
That reminds me of the "iPhone-argument": If you only have tried on out in the store, you will buy, even if it lacks the features you need.
Certainly, that's not a good argument. The thing is, you might think the glossy looks better in the shop, but when you need to work on it, things will certainly be different. Unless you think you he could sit down in the shop and try working on the thing all day long?
The way I see it is: You better get the best tool for the job. And a glossy isn't that.
OK, before I post this, please be advised that I have just as much disdain for unsubstantiated rumors as the next person. Having served in the military, I know that loose lips sink ships. I have yet to find anything about the upcoming MPB release that I find credible, including Hardmac, or various other sites who post one or two lines sighting a so called source. I bounce back and forth between here and the apple insider forums and have observed a member over there called tailpipe (Joined Aug 07) makle two posts over the pasts couple weeks that I find interesting. Take it as you will, believe it or not, it is entirely up to you. For me, this is the best and most believable discussion I have heard thus far about the new MPBs release. Even if it is not true, it still is a good read.
His first post was on 02-01-2008 @ 11:12 AM:
"This info comes to you from London via an Englishman working at Apple, (and there are more than you think ;-))
A revised MacBook Pro with a Leopard 10.5.2 update was meant to debut at MacWorld but neither was ready.
The delay for the MBP was caused by Intel Penryn processors not being available due to some production glitch. As we all know, Apple doesn't like to announce products too far ahead of their shipping dates - with the notable exception of the iPhone - so decided to delay the launch. Penryn-based PCs now good to go and begin shipping Monday.
Expect new MBP 15-inch and 17-inch within two weeks. 17-inch gets LED.
New MBP DOES feature a slightly revised case design with the new black keyboard from MBA and a larger trackpad, but is basically very similar to existing design. Think evolution not revolution.
The idea is to achieve a commonality of look across the range.
SSD will be an option offering an exceptionally fast boot time < 30 seconds.
Also seen lurking in the corridors of Cupertino was an aluminum MacBook 13". Initially available in silver, my source reckons anodized black, blue, pink and other colours will be available around September. New MacBooks will be a big story later this year. One of the range (I don't know which, maybe the black one) will have a superior spec that basically makes it a MacBook Pro 13"."
Reference: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=83903
His second post was today, @ 11:17 AM
"The all new MacBook Pro was meant to make its debut at MacWorld in January. The big story was meant to be that while 2007 was all about the iPhone, 2008 would see Apple return to its roots: computers. Steve Jobs had planned to reveal a brand new 17" MacBook Pro, a brand new 15" MacBook Pro, (and, if my source is correct, there was even meant to be a brand new 13" model, but it isn't clear whether this was MacBook Pro or MacBook - but it is definitely aluminum). Having introduced these machines, the "...and just one more little thing." was meant to be the MacBook Air.
All of these machines feature the gesture touchpad, new keyboard, LED screens and super-sleek thinner case designs, longer battery life, lower weight than the existing line-up and 802.11n WiFi capabilities. What screwed up the launch was the manufacturing problem Intel is having with Penryn processors using the new 45Nm process. THEY STILL HAVEN'T YET SHIPPED IN VOLUME. Given that Leopard 10.5.2 wasn't ready either, the decision to pull the launch was made as a delay between announcement and launch would have killed Mac sales. As things stand, Apple will not launch any revised laptops until Penryn is up and running. That is expected to happen later this week or next week.
For these reasons, Apple is holding a special event in February which will include the iPhone SDK but no 3G iPhone yet.
Apparently, the decision to pull the launch of the revised range was only taken just before the MacWorld Conference and SJ was not amused. Fortunately, the MacBook Air uses a unique processor that was ready in time so this was unaffected by the penryn problem.
So, be patient, friends, new MBPs are coming. The delay isn't Apple's fault.
By all accounts, we'll all be delighted when these machines show-up. They'll be worth their WAIT in Gold."
Reference: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=84319
Now let me ask you all one question, can anyone provide proof that Intel's new mobile chip has shipped in volume? (While some manufacturers claim the laptops with the new chips are in stock, I have yet to see any ship and there are only one or two reviews on Penryn based laptops thus far).
His first post was on 02-01-2008 @ 11:12 AM:
"This info comes to you from London via an Englishman working at Apple, (and there are more than you think ;-))
A revised MacBook Pro with a Leopard 10.5.2 update was meant to debut at MacWorld but neither was ready.
The delay for the MBP was caused by Intel Penryn processors not being available due to some production glitch. As we all know, Apple doesn't like to announce products too far ahead of their shipping dates - with the notable exception of the iPhone - so decided to delay the launch. Penryn-based PCs now good to go and begin shipping Monday.
Expect new MBP 15-inch and 17-inch within two weeks. 17-inch gets LED.
New MBP DOES feature a slightly revised case design with the new black keyboard from MBA and a larger trackpad, but is basically very similar to existing design. Think evolution not revolution.
The idea is to achieve a commonality of look across the range.
SSD will be an option offering an exceptionally fast boot time < 30 seconds.
Also seen lurking in the corridors of Cupertino was an aluminum MacBook 13". Initially available in silver, my source reckons anodized black, blue, pink and other colours will be available around September. New MacBooks will be a big story later this year. One of the range (I don't know which, maybe the black one) will have a superior spec that basically makes it a MacBook Pro 13"."
Reference: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=83903
His second post was today, @ 11:17 AM
"The all new MacBook Pro was meant to make its debut at MacWorld in January. The big story was meant to be that while 2007 was all about the iPhone, 2008 would see Apple return to its roots: computers. Steve Jobs had planned to reveal a brand new 17" MacBook Pro, a brand new 15" MacBook Pro, (and, if my source is correct, there was even meant to be a brand new 13" model, but it isn't clear whether this was MacBook Pro or MacBook - but it is definitely aluminum). Having introduced these machines, the "...and just one more little thing." was meant to be the MacBook Air.
All of these machines feature the gesture touchpad, new keyboard, LED screens and super-sleek thinner case designs, longer battery life, lower weight than the existing line-up and 802.11n WiFi capabilities. What screwed up the launch was the manufacturing problem Intel is having with Penryn processors using the new 45Nm process. THEY STILL HAVEN'T YET SHIPPED IN VOLUME. Given that Leopard 10.5.2 wasn't ready either, the decision to pull the launch was made as a delay between announcement and launch would have killed Mac sales. As things stand, Apple will not launch any revised laptops until Penryn is up and running. That is expected to happen later this week or next week.
For these reasons, Apple is holding a special event in February which will include the iPhone SDK but no 3G iPhone yet.
Apparently, the decision to pull the launch of the revised range was only taken just before the MacWorld Conference and SJ was not amused. Fortunately, the MacBook Air uses a unique processor that was ready in time so this was unaffected by the penryn problem.
So, be patient, friends, new MBPs are coming. The delay isn't Apple's fault.
By all accounts, we'll all be delighted when these machines show-up. They'll be worth their WAIT in Gold."
Reference: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=84319
Now let me ask you all one question, can anyone provide proof that Intel's new mobile chip has shipped in volume? (While some manufacturers claim the laptops with the new chips are in stock, I have yet to see any ship and there are only one or two reviews on Penryn based laptops thus far).
saw that article as well. Looked very well informed , as most of them do, but this argument seemed fairly more believable.
what it does not bode well for, unfortunately, is we may end up waiting longer than expected
THOUGH, that new feb 26th announcement event thing looks like a last minute kinda thing, a very good chance its just to give the MBP update the show it deserves
what it does not bode well for, unfortunately, is we may end up waiting longer than expected
THOUGH, that new feb 26th announcement event thing looks like a last minute kinda thing, a very good chance its just to give the MBP update the show it deserves
unless u use it outside.
i use it for logic 8
i get to work outside in the garden during summer and cant see anything using matt screen... when i changed to gloss wow ..can see really well.
gotta be gloss if you wanna use it outside
do yall agree ?
ps....come on apple anounce the fecking thing, even if it takes you a month to ship it
As a professional (working pro) that has color specific jobs:
-- If you know how to color manage, edit, and tone glossy or matte doesn't matter --
If you are going by the glare factor, then yes... there will be a glare on your machine, take that into consideration. I don't find myself working outside or in terrible lighting that much if at all, so my glossy MBP is just fine.
I am going to switch to matte however, but if I don't see a noticeable difference other than the lack of sharp colors then I may go back to glossy.
-- If you know how to color manage, edit, and tone glossy or matte doesn't matter --
If you are going by the glare factor, then yes... there will be a glare on your machine, take that into consideration. I don't find myself working outside or in terrible lighting that much if at all, so my glossy MBP is just fine.
I am going to switch to matte however, but if I don't see a noticeable difference other than the lack of sharp colors then I may go back to glossy.
Tosser, you seem to have some experience with the glossy vs matte issue. I was relatively set in my decision about which to go with until I read your response. I admit, most of my decision was based on what I've read in forums and searched online, and the only LCDs I've worked on have all been matte to date, so I'm not sure what it's like to work on a glossy. I'm a graphic designer too, and as the MBP release looms closer I'd like to be able to go with a decision and not worry about buyer's remorse. I think you may have just swayed me to go matte after all.
FEB 12TH SANTA WILL MAKE OUR WHISHES COME TRUE!
Today's Leopard update included some video compatibility for our macs...I hope it's for this!
ooooops! you obviously been a very bad boy coz santa NEVER FRICKEN CAME !@@#$%^&*&^%$#@!!!!
I wouldn't touch a MBP/Penryn next week with a 10ft pole...not when so many hardware upgrades will potentially make it into the next MBP come Intel shipping Monteviña as early as May. Consider too, the MBP may get a new 18.1in 16:9 aspect (IIRC size) Samsung 2nd gen LED bl screen, that should be more accurate (though won't be a full profession desktop screen solution of course...that NEC with hardware adjustable calibration costs $5k+) than anything Apple ships in the next few weeks, why bother? You know you'll just upgrade to the Monteviña MBP in less than 5 months.
Nope, don't agree
This post looks very promising. It seems to make sense (and SJ certainly didn't look his happy self at MWSF). The only bit I don't agree with is "The big story was meant to be that while 2007 was all about the iPhone, 2008 would see Apple return to its roots: computers." because it was only last year that Apple dropped 'Computer' from the Apple name.
I've given Apple until the end of February to release a new MBP or I will be buying either a Macbook or a low end Dell XPS to tide me over (could probably use a PC laptop as well as a mac anyway).
just wikipedia'd this:
The Montevina platform consists of:
* Processors - Socket P
o an Intel Core 2 Duo (code-named Penryn) 45nm second generation processor with 1066 MT/s FSB is planned to consume no more than 29W
Hmm, there is also a penryn listed in the previous section of this chip listing in the Santa Rosa (so there's 2 penryns?)
any chance in hell this 1066mhz bus is the one we're waiting for'?
The Montevina platform consists of:
* Processors - Socket P
o an Intel Core 2 Duo (code-named Penryn) 45nm second generation processor with 1066 MT/s FSB is planned to consume no more than 29W
Hmm, there is also a penryn listed in the previous section of this chip listing in the Santa Rosa (so there's 2 penryns?)
any chance in hell this 1066mhz bus is the one we're waiting for'?
There is only one Peryn!
Read here about the processor that just came out
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/13/wolfdale_shrinks_transistors/
The CPU will be the exact same thing... it's just the FSB and other components on the MOBO that will change.
Read here about the processor that just came out
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/13/wolfdale_shrinks_transistors/
The CPU will be the exact same thing... it's just the FSB and other components on the MOBO that will change.